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Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#1 » by CodyB_ » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:00 am

With all of the individual on the Lakers right now, the Lakers are going to be able to give 48 minutes of absolute peak level play if they need too. It will be great to see Nash, Kobe, Gasol and Dwight on the floor, but it's also going to pay if you split them up into 2nd and 3rd waves of pressure after initial substitutions.

The 2nd wave

Nash
Meeks
Ebanks(?)
Jamison
Howard

I think Lakers still need a stretch 4 or a 3 who can hit the longball at a respectable rate. This line up would emulate the Magic teams, with Steve Nash running the pick and roll instead of Hedo Turkoglu or Jameer Nelson. Antawn Jamison is an excellent one on one scorer as well also, and here is where he will be at his best. All the attention that will go on the most efficient pick and roll in history is going to leave at least one guy open and Jamison, who has an excellent touch and array of shots weakly covered.

and

3rd wave
Blake/Duhon/Whoever
Kobe
Ron
Hill/Pau
Pau/Dwight

Kobe and Pau, Kobe a and Pau! This line up will be going against benches! I'm rather sure that this proven duo will dissect benches, and I think after 3-4 minutes, they'll be rejoined by Dwight which probably prove to be our strongest defensive line up.

I think the primary aim is to keep this aging team fresh. If we can keep Nash, Kobe, Pau and Dwight under 32, 34, 34 and 38 mpg respectively, then this team will be superfresh coming into the playoffs
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#2 » by DEEP3CL » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:12 am

You do realize that Jamison is a stretch 4 right ? Also we're not going to be a "perimeter only" team nor do we need to depend on it. Yes we have to hit from the perimeter but it doesn't have to be at some crazy rate. Nash,Kobe, Antwan, Metta, Duhon and Blake will hit enough to keep teams honest.

I'd rather for teams to have to worry about our interior than who's on the perimeter.
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Post#3 » by leeprettyp » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:59 am

DEEP3CL wrote:You do realize that Jamison is a stretch 4 right ? Also we're not going to be a "perimeter only" team nor do we need to depend on it. Yes we have to hit from the perimeter but it doesn't have to be at some crazy rate. Nash,Kobe, Antwan, Metta, Duhon and Blake will hit enough to keep teams honest.

I'd rather for teams to have to worry about our interior than who's on the perimeter.


Right our greatest strength is going to be our size so we need to pound that ball inside to soften the defense up and get other teams bigs in foul trouble. Then we can sprinkle the pick n roll game with Gasol and Dwight with Professor Nash (As Big Game James likes to call him lol). Not worried about Kobe getting his just want less shot attempts on more efficient fg% this season with the help we now have.
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#4 » by gotokyo » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:58 am

Can't wait to see how mike brown messes this years rotations up :lol:
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Post#5 » by Matt6288 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:14 am

CodyB_ wrote:With all of the individual on the Lakers right now, the Lakers are going to be able to give 48 minutes of absolute peak level play if they need too. It will be great to see Nash, Kobe, Gasol and Dwight on the floor, but it's also going to pay if you split them up into 2nd and 3rd waves of pressure after initial substitutions.

The 2nd wave

Nash
Meeks
Ebanks(?)
Jamison
Howard

I think Lakers still need a stretch 4 or a 3 who can hit the longball at a respectable rate. This line up would emulate the Magic teams, with Steve Nash running the pick and roll instead of Hedo Turkoglu or Jameer Nelson. Antawn Jamison is an excellent one on one scorer as well also, and here is where he will be at his best. All the attention that will go on the most efficient pick and roll in history is going to leave at least one guy open and Jamison, who has an excellent touch and array of shots weakly covered.

and

3rd wave
Blake/Duhon/Whoever
Kobe
Ron
Hill/Pau
Pau/Dwight

Kobe and Pau, Kobe a and Pau! This line up will be going against benches! I'm rather sure that this proven duo will dissect benches, and I think after 3-4 minutes, they'll be rejoined by Dwight which probably prove to be our strongest defensive line up.

I think the primary aim is to keep this aging team fresh. If we can keep Nash, Kobe, Pau and Dwight under 32, 34, 34 and 38 mpg respectively, then this team will be superfresh coming into the playoffs


You know I hadn't given this seasons line ups much thought but after seeing what you've suggested I don't need to, I think whenever Nash is out there Dwight needs to be out there with him and with Kobe and Pau (a duo teams starters had a lot of trouble with) going up against benches! that would be amazing. Now we just have to hope Mike Brown does it....
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#6 » by ROballer » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:31 am

I really hope this season Brown gets his **** together and puts some competent rotations on the floor

Last year he played the players strictly on their perceived positions(except Blake late in the season when he was played some SG too)

3 big rotation,Sess-FIsh/Blake as PG's,Kobe as SG(Goudelock,Kapono,Blake as backups),Metta and Barnes as SF's

When one of those above wasn't on the floor at his respective position,the other one was
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Brown must put some different rotations and play the bench players with the starters some more....be more ingenious,go big with Jamison at the SF or small with Kobe at SF and Meeks at SG some times

Meeks would be twice as good playing with the starters as he would be open virtually everytime and have lots of opportunities for wide open 3's....than he would playing with the bench mob with the likes of Blake,Ebanks,Hill etc,who don't command much attention and thus,will have far less wide open opportunities and less production
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#7 » by Gek » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:09 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:You do realize that Jamison is a stretch 4 right ? Also we're not going to be a "perimeter only" team nor do we need to depend on it. Yes we have to hit from the perimeter but it doesn't have to be at some crazy rate. Nash,Kobe, Antwan, Metta, Duhon and Blake will hit enough to keep teams honest.

I'd rather for teams to have to worry about our interior than who's on the perimeter.


I'm expecting Metta too have a great year with Nash making the offense easy for him and I also expect Blake to boost his play (and 3P%) this year behind or possibly on the floor with Nash. Deep was right on here. He left out Meeks, who could be like one of those PHX role players who were just boosted by Nash's play.
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#8 » by endless » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:57 pm

gotokyo wrote:Can't wait to see how mike brown messes this years rotations up :lol:

lol..same here
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#9 » by TruSkool » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:59 pm

endless wrote:
gotokyo wrote:Can't wait to see how mike brown messes this years rotations up :lol:

lol..same here



its quite impossible, but hey, its 2012
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#10 » by CodyB_ » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:32 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:You do realize that Jamison is a stretch 4 right ? Also we're not going to be a "perimeter only" team nor do we need to depend on it. Yes we have to hit from the perimeter but it doesn't have to be at some crazy rate. Nash,Kobe, Antwan, Metta, Duhon and Blake will hit enough to keep teams honest.

I'd rather for teams to have to worry about our interior than who's on the perimeter.


That's been the philosophy for the last 2 years. Teams collaps on the Lakers, Lakers can't shoot. That line up with Nash/Meeks/Ebanks/Jamison/Howard, would be aiming to replicate the success of the Orlando teams, where players could stretch the floor and give PG/Hedo and Howard room to operate. There will be plenty of time for Gasol2Howard, but giving teams different looks and making them change their entire defensive scheme, will prove be most fruitful I believe.
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#11 » by Dr Aki » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:56 am

there's going to be a period in the end of the 1st, start of the 2nd quarters where brown would probably want to take nash and kobe off the floor.

brown will probably want to give nash a spell on the bench first, but then kobe will be into the final parts of the 1st quarter.

so starting the 2nd qtr, mike brown might want to reinsert nash for a few minutes before he gets kobe back before letting nash take a 2nd spell on the bench before reinserting nash to the remainder of the half.

this wouldn't be a problem if we had third player actually capable of dribble penetrating, ie barbosa

so mike has to prioritise what players he wants on the floor to maximise damage dealt. because i certainly think having all 4 of the big 4 on the floor is overkill.

having nash/kobe/ronron/pau/dwight on the floor also makes outside shooting an issue, you almost want to have meeks or jamison on the floor at all times
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#12 » by CJH248 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:27 am

Yeah, you're right... let's keep Meeks in for Kobe the whole game.
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Post#13 » by Dr Aki » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:55 pm

CJH248 wrote:Yeah, you're right... let's keep Meeks in for Kobe the whole game.


u forget kobe plays SF just as well
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Post#14 » by AdonisDeMarion » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:54 pm

CodyB_ wrote:With all of the individual on the Lakers right now, the Lakers are going to be able to give 48 minutes of absolute peak level play if they need too. It will be great to see Nash, Kobe, Gasol and Dwight on the floor, but it's also going to pay if you split them up into 2nd and 3rd waves of pressure after initial substitutions.

The 2nd wave

Nash
Meeks
Ebanks(?)
Jamison
Howard

I think Lakers still need a stretch 4 or a 3 who can hit the longball at a respectable rate. This line up would emulate the Magic teams, with Steve Nash running the pick and roll instead of Hedo Turkoglu or Jameer Nelson. Antawn Jamison is an excellent one on one scorer as well also, and here is where he will be at his best. All the attention that will go on the most efficient pick and roll in history is going to leave at least one guy open and Jamison, who has an excellent touch and array of shots weakly covered.

and

3rd wave
Blake/Duhon/Whoever
Kobe
Ron
Hill/Pau
Pau/Dwight

Kobe and Pau, Kobe a and Pau! This line up will be going against benches! I'm rather sure that this proven duo will dissect benches, and I think after 3-4 minutes, they'll be rejoined by Dwight which probably prove to be our strongest defensive line up.

I think the primary aim is to keep this aging team fresh. If we can keep Nash, Kobe, Pau and Dwight under 32, 34, 34 and 38 mpg respectively, then this team will be superfresh coming into the playoffs



I like the second wave, but I think it could be more like the Suns. Nash and Stat's pick and roll was great but running it with Howard, that will leave Jamison or Meeks open. Ebanks can play a Marion type role.

Kobe and Gasol against a second unit would be murder, then you want to bring Howard back in as well. I would love to see us close out games with our big four and a shooter...
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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#15 » by thomas1897 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:35 am

The Lakers need to establish themselves; next is the definitive question who and what works best. Combinations can be determined by players roles and utilizing players in their best playing situation. The coach staff will find these questions answered during pre-season and training camp. Discussing the Laker playing combinations are too pre-mature at this time but does have significance because stratedgies do bring fresh ideas to a new team in transition.
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Post#16 » by AcecardZ » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:29 pm

For those of you that remember the 80's well the Lakers were most devastating coming out of the locker room to start the 2nd half. If the score was close at halftime the Lakers often put the game away by the end of the 3rd Q and starters were allowed to rest for a lot of 4th Q's. I expect to see a lot of the same this year. If the starting unit plays anywhere near their potential they should be able to crush most teams in the 3rd quarter making for easy 4th Q's.
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Post#17 » by AdonisDeMarion » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:36 pm

AcecardZ wrote:For those of you that remember the 80's well the Lakers were most devastating coming out of the locker room to start the 2nd half. If the score was close at halftime the Lakers often put the game away by the end of the 3rd Q and starters were allowed to rest for a lot of 4th Q's. I expect to see a lot of the same this year. If the starting unit plays anywhere near their potential they should be able to crush most teams in the 3rd quarter making for easy 4th Q's.



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Re: Breaking Lakers into different line ups 

Post#18 » by Beethoven » Mon Oct 1, 2012 2:38 am

I'd like to see how a lineup of Jordan hill,Clark, Jamison, Meeks, and Nash would work out.
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