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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1161 » by knicksnyk » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:57 am

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knicksnyk wrote:Lol. they should just burn them. thank dolan for the loss of profit. didnt the vendors outside of msg say that they were selling at record highs when lin was playing over those 25 games. smh lin was sellig out indiana, minny games, toronto games. minnesota sold out for the first time when lin showed up lol. too funny.

Why do you care if other teams sale out?



because if other teams sell out because people are coming out to cheer for Lin then that means the knicks have a home court like feel everywhere they go. u don't think that kind of positive energy helps the knicks?? sorry correction WOULD have helped the knicks.
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Post#1162 » by Woodsanity » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:11 am

siar617 wrote:In the end Felton is a better fit for this team. So who really cares what Lin does. You guys act like we gave up a super star.

Based on what lol?
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Post#1163 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:18 am

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siar617 wrote:In the end Felton is a better fit for this team. So who really cares what Lin does. You guys act like we gave up a super star.

Based on what lol?

I think Felton is a good fit.....

1) he is coming in knowing exactly what his role is, which is to pass first, shoot second, and at the same time will be motivated to play his best.

2) He doesn't bring the side show, can blend in as one of the guys.

He isn't the better player though, but every position on the court doesn't require for that.

Chemistry and fit supercedes.
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Post#1164 » by 3StarburyAriza21 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:30 am

[quote="NevaGivinKnixUp"]As if we didn't love Lin enough, so sick he's not on our team anymore, I'd much rather him on the Knicks then my son having s signed Rockets jersey. My own selfishness!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1OwNNJJ ... ata_player[/quote]

Wow, Jeremy not only video chatted with your son but also sent him a signed jersey? How many professional athletes on the planet—especially ones as famous as Lin—would go above and beyond like that? What a class act. Seriously.
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Post#1165 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:37 am

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I think Felton is a good fit.....

1) he is coming in knowing exactly what his role is, which is to pass first, shoot second, and at the same time will be motivated to play his best.

2) He doesn't bring the side show, can blend in as one of the guys.

He isn't the better player though, but every position on the court doesn't require for that.

Chemistry and fit supercedes.

Not really... we need a PG who can attack and create offense, not somebody to dump it into Melo. Melo is really the only elite playmaker on this team... Most contenders have 2:

Boston: Pierce and Rondo
Miami: Wade and Bron
LA: Nash and Kobe
OKC: Durant and Westbrook (and Harden!)

Look at what happens when a team with one elite playmaker goes against Miami.... Lebron just shuts down that one player; e.g. Rose and Melo.
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Post#1166 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:39 am

You're right that Felton is a better fit with how we played last Spring... but sometimes you have to let the talent dictate the system rather than the other way around. This summer was one of those times, given how were are not on the level of the teams that we are trying to contend against, and have very few ways to add talent.
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Post#1167 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:00 am

I said "pass first" meaning constantly getting the offense flowing through everyone else first, then look for opportunities to break down defenses by driving into the paint, not merely dumping the ball to Melo and amare.

Ironically Rondo LeBron and Nash as mentioned all look to pass first, yet have the balance to know when to do both.

And outside of Rose whose playmaker was shut down?

No one could guard Westbrook or Rondo.

Even though their respective teams lost, those guys had some huge games against Miami.

But anyway, chemistry and fit is how the team desired to go in.

I'm not saying the team as a whole or players in particular didn't like Lin, but I'm willing to bet they have no issue with Felton as their starting pg.
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Post#1168 » by knicksnyk » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:06 am

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:[
I think Felton is a good fit.....

1) he is coming in knowing exactly what his role is, which is to pass first, shoot second, and at the same time will be motivated to play his best.

2) He doesn't bring the side show, can blend in as one of the guys.

He isn't the better player though, but every position on the court doesn't require for that.

Chemistry and fit supercedes.

Not really... we need a PG who can attack and create offense, not somebody to dump it into Melo. Melo is really the only elite playmaker on this team... Most contenders have 2:

Boston: Pierce and Rondo
Miami: Wade and Bron
LA: Nash and Kobe
OKC: Durant and Westbrook (and Harden!)

Look at what happens when a team with one elite playmaker goes against Miami.... Lebron just shuts down that one player; e.g. Rose and Melo.


Exactly. Kidd doesn't attack anymore. felton isn't very good at it. jr smith has no brain. pablo can't do it. shump is still learning. also when the defense bogs down u need guys who can create for themselves at a insane clip. lin was good at that last year. scoring off the dribble iso's him & melo made sense together but both would have had to seriously adjust.
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Post#1169 » by Dr. Detfink » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:16 am

While I am over being angry the Knicks not re-signing Lin, I hope Lin gets better and becomes that story we all appreciate. I really wished he stayed with the Knicks.

All the Felton lovers needed to read SVG comment that yea, Felton had his best season under D'Antoni as well.
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Post#1170 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:33 am

Thugger HBC wrote:I said "pass first" meaning constantly getting the offense flowing through everyone else first, then look for opportunities to break down defenses by driving into the paint, not merely dumping the ball to Melo and amare.

But getting the offense flowing usually requires that a PG attack for the full possession. While Lin doesn't have the floor vision of Felton (yet!), he at least has the tools to be a top PG; i.e. he is always a threat to score in the paint. Felton's penetration isn't nearly good enough for him to be a "pass firsT" PG in the vein of Nash and Rondo.

And outside of Rose whose playmaker was shut down?
Melo was shut down whenever Lebron guarded him in the playoffs.

No one could guard Westbrook or Rondo.

Yup... cause Lebron had to focus on the other playmakers, i.e. Durant and Pierce.

But anyway, chemistry and fit is how the team desired to go in.

Assuming it was Woody and Grunnie's call... Either way, chemistry and fit should not be the mentality when the team has just gotten embarrassed in the playoffs.
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Post#1171 » by DocZaius » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:34 am

Lin made Jared Jeffries and Tyson Chandler look like offensive beasts dunking left and right.

I don't even know what else needs to be said
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Post#1172 » by GettinitDone » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:46 am

Felton is gonna make Tyson and Camby look like offensive Godzillas cuz he's better in every way than Lin

^Texts bleed green

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More interviews from Lin:

What have you done this summer to improve your game and who have you worked out with?

JL: It’s just my same coaches from last summer. So I had a shooting coach, a skills coach, an upper body coach and a lower body coach. I lost ten pounds which would be good for my knee. I’m pretty much the same strength-wise, so it’s good – I’m just lighter. Then I did a lot of outside shooting and a lot of left-handed stuff.

http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/ready-roll


While Felton noticeably gets fatter by the day, Lin lost ten pounds and added muscles :lol: It's "indulgence vs dedication" at its best and we know that "indulgence" is "a better fit" for the Knicks. :lol:
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Post#1173 » by 21shumpshumpst » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:01 pm

GettinitDone wrote:Felton is gonna make Tyson and Camby look like offensive Godzillas cuz he's better in every way than Lin

^Texts bleed green

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More interviews from Lin:

What have you done this summer to improve your game and who have you worked out with?

JL: It’s just my same coaches from last summer. So I had a shooting coach, a skills coach, an upper body coach and a lower body coach. I lost ten pounds which would be good for my knee. I’m pretty much the same strength-wise, so it’s good – I’m just lighter. Then I did a lot of outside shooting and a lot of left-handed stuff.

http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/ready-roll


While Felton noticeably gets fatter by the day, Lin lost ten pounds and added muscles :lol: It's "indulgence vs dedication" at its best and we know that "indulgence" is "a better fit" for the Knicks. :lol:


Link to pics of day by day comparisons as well as scale pics to confirm your comment.

I can just as easily say. So now instead of being tossed like a ragdoll at 150lbs, you just need to blow on lin at 140lbs and make him fall like in the Miami game.

See how hyperbole can go both ways?
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Post#1174 » by bandwagonKnick » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:14 am

21shumpshumpst wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:Felton is gonna make Tyson and Camby look like offensive Godzillas cuz he's better in every way than Lin

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More interviews from Lin:

What have you done this summer to improve your game and who have you worked out with?

JL: It’s just my same coaches from last summer. So I had a shooting coach, a skills coach, an upper body coach and a lower body coach. I lost ten pounds which would be good for my knee. I’m pretty much the same strength-wise, so it’s good – I’m just lighter. Then I did a lot of outside shooting and a lot of left-handed stuff.

http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/ready-roll


While Felton noticeably gets fatter by the day, Lin lost ten pounds and added muscles :lol: It's "indulgence vs dedication" at its best and we know that "indulgence" is "a better fit" for the Knicks. :lol:


Link to pics of day by day comparisons as well as scale pics to confirm your comment.

I can just as easily say. So now instead of being tossed like a ragdoll at 150lbs, you just need to blow on lin at 140lbs and make him fall like in the Miami game.

See how hyperbole can go both ways?


Yes, let's please cut out the Felton bashing, especially in conjunction with Lin praising. it does Lin a disservice as even Lin is looking at Felton tape to learn. I think his last season with Portland will be his worst season and he'll be in good shape this year with lots to prove. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that. Having said that, I'd still rather have Lin and think Lin would've been better even as a fit for NY as I could see him adapting to Melo and STAT as he should, but what's done is done. Bashing Dolan may be acceptable but bashing Felton is petty
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Post#1175 » by BOOMbip » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:30 am

Lin is going to be able to put up better stats in Houston as 'the man' than he would have been able to in NY.
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Post#1176 » by Bill Bradley » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:39 am

21shumpshumpst wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:Felton is gonna make Tyson and Camby look like offensive Godzillas cuz he's better in every way than Lin

^Texts bleed green

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More interviews from Lin:

What have you done this summer to improve your game and who have you worked out with?

JL: It’s just my same coaches from last summer. So I had a shooting coach, a skills coach, an upper body coach and a lower body coach. I lost ten pounds which would be good for my knee. I’m pretty much the same strength-wise, so it’s good – I’m just lighter. Then I did a lot of outside shooting and a lot of left-handed stuff.

http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/ready-roll


While Felton noticeably gets fatter by the day, Lin lost ten pounds and added muscles :lol: It's "indulgence vs dedication" at its best and we know that "indulgence" is "a better fit" for the Knicks. :lol:


Link to pics of day by day comparisons as well as scale pics to confirm your comment.

I can just as easily say. So now instead of being tossed like a ragdoll at 150lbs, you just need to blow on lin at 140lbs and make him fall like in the Miami game.

See how hyperbole can go both ways?


This is a pretty dumb argument. Sure, you can throw out a bunch of BS based on nothing but fantasy, but Felton does still look noticeably out of shape and Lin appears to be in the best shape of his career. You can call it hyperbole but I call it reality. Listen, it is not hyperbole to say that there have been questions about Felton's conditioning and attitude his whole career, and in Lin's short career he has been known as disciplined and focused on getting better. These two are at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of character and hard work, let's be honest. And get used to this comparison because you will be hearing it again and again over the upcoming seasons.
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Post#1177 » by blumatic » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:51 pm

DocZaius wrote:Lin made Jared Jeffries and Tyson Chandler look like offensive beasts dunking left and right.

I don't even know what else needs to be said


What needs to be said is that this is a terrible statement. Lin didnt make anybody better on that team except for maybe Novak. And I say "except for maybe" Novak because he still thrived when Lin went down.

The team had no point guard, Lin came in and provided us some stability at that position. I believed in him from his first pick n roll pass with Jeffries vs the Nets.

What was really special about Lin during Linsanity was his scoring ability, not his passing. His passing is the kind of stuff I've seen Felton do all the time and I think Felton is a better passer. But Lin scoring and jumper is severely underrated and that is what made him special.

Lin did not make any his teammates better than what they were prior to him and they did not suffer when he left and Melo got healthy again. All he did was control the manage the offense and gave us a better pace. Its no small task, but he wont be missed in that area with the guards we have now.
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Post#1178 » by knicksnyk » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:05 pm

blumatic wrote:
DocZaius wrote:Lin made Jared Jeffries and Tyson Chandler look like offensive beasts dunking left and right.

I don't even know what else needs to be said


What needs to be said is that this is a terrible statement. Lin didnt make anybody better on that team except for maybe Novak. And I say "except for maybe" Novak because he still thrived when Lin went down.

The team had no point guard, Lin came in and provided us some stability at that position. I believed in him from his first pick n roll pass with Jeffries vs the Nets.

What was really special about Lin during Linsanity was his scoring ability, not his passing. His passing is the kind of stuff I've seen Felton do all the time and I think Felton is a better passer. But Lin scoring and jumper is severely underrated and that is what made him special.

Lin did not make any his teammates better than what they were prior to him and they did not suffer when he left and Melo got healthy again. All he did was control the manage the offense and gave us a better pace. Its no small task, but he wont be missed in that area with the guards we have now.


he set his teammates up for high percentage shots and gave them the ball in places they liked so in that regard yes he made his teammates better.
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Post#1179 » by blumatic » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:30 pm

knicksnyk wrote:
blumatic wrote:
DocZaius wrote:Lin made Jared Jeffries and Tyson Chandler look like offensive beasts dunking left and right.

I don't even know what else needs to be said


What needs to be said is that this is a terrible statement. Lin didnt make anybody better on that team except for maybe Novak. And I say "except for maybe" Novak because he still thrived when Lin went down.

The team had no point guard, Lin came in and provided us some stability at that position. I believed in him from his first pick n roll pass with Jeffries vs the Nets.

What was really special about Lin during Linsanity was his scoring ability, not his passing. His passing is the kind of stuff I've seen Felton do all the time and I think Felton is a better passer. But Lin scoring and jumper is severely underrated and that is what made him special.

Lin did not make any his teammates better than what they were prior to him and they did not suffer when he left and Melo got healthy again. All he did was control the manage the offense and gave us a better pace. Its no small task, but he wont be missed in that area with the guards we have now.


he set his teammates up for high percentage shots and gave them the ball in places they liked so in that regard yes he made his teammates better.


Then Felton will have no problem doing that as well.
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Post#1180 » by GONYK » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:31 pm

blumatic wrote:Then Felton will have no problem doing that as well.


Felton doesn't run the PnR like Lin. He has tunnel vision in the PnR and really only hits the roller.

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