All Things "Brooklyn Nets" Thread

Kooz · Post #641 » by **Kooz** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:05 pm

Brooklynettes uniforms revealed today

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Paradise · Post #642 » by **Paradise** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:12 pm

I still can't believe they named them "Brooklynettes" instead of "Brooklyn's Borough Dancers", "Ladies of Brooklyn" or something.

Kooz · Post #643 » by **Kooz** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:13 pm

Paradise wrote:I still can't believe they named them "Brooklynettes" instead of "Brooklyn's Borough Dancers", "Ladies of Brooklyn" or something.

I like the name. The black & white unis look great too.

Keith Van Horn · Post #644 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:43 am

Paradise wrote:Deron, Kris, Dray & Reggie pranking Marshon at PNY

1. Why is Reggie shirtless in the one pic
2. Why is Hump holding Marshon's hand in the other pic, lol

Keith Van Horn · Post #645 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:48 am

Here's food for thought: How many Nets players are sent to the All-Star game this year??

I say 3: Deron, Johnson, and Lopez.

It will be Deron, Rose or Irving, and Rondo for PGs and Wade and Johnson for SGs. Deron may even be the starting PG this year.... I don't think JJ or Lopez will start.

Lopez will have the toughest time making it.... he's have to beat out Chandler and probably Hibbert. I'm thinking Bynum will be the shoe-in for starter.

Paradise · Post #646 » by **Paradise** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:21 pm

Here are some sigs for the season I put together everyone can feel free to use if they would like.

Post #647 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:44 pm

According to ESPN rankings, Westbrook is better than D-Will.

deepblueday · Post #648 » by **deepblueday** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:00 pm

westbrook is absurdly overrated. like i know everyone used to hate him and now we have to pretend that that hate was somehow unjustified because his stacked team had some success and things just swing that way, but you're clueless if you think this guy is a top tier PG or player. he's a scoring fast break guard... that's it. he's a young leandro barbosa. literally, they're on exactly the same tier as players and talents. he's a terrible decisionmaker, he has tunnel vision, there isn't a player in the NBA that wastes more possessions by mindlessly attacking in bad spots and making nothing passes to teammates in no position to score with the shot clock winding down. and an avg defender on the NBA level. i would LOVE to see him put in a joe johnson like situation, as the best player on teams with solid but unremarkable talent. it would be the flame out of the decade, i guarantee it.

enetric · Post #649 » by **enetric** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:02 pm

macgyver893 wrote:Here's food for thought: How many Nets players are sent to the All-Star game this year??

I say 3: Deron, Johnson, and Lopez.

It will be Deron, Rose or Irving, and Rondo for PGs and Wade and Johnson for SGs. Deron may even be the starting PG this year.... I don't think JJ or Lopez will start.

Lopez will have the toughest time making it.... he's have to beat out Chandler and probably Hibbert. I'm thinking Bynum will be the shoe-in for starter.

I cant see both JJ and Lopez making it at the same time. For that to happen..we have to roll in the all star break as one of the top 2 records in the East...and Lopez is going to have to be noticeably better than at any point of his career. 20/9 type numbers.

That is unless someone is injured at center.

I think he is capable of becoming the best center in the east. I just think its going to be hard for him to make the all star team.

enetric · Post #650 » by **enetric** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:06 pm

deepblueday wrote:westbrook is absurdly overrated. like i know everyone used to hate him and now we have to pretend that that hate was somehow unjustified because his stacked team had some success and things just swing that way, but you're clueless if you think this guy is a top tier PG or player. he's a scoring fast break guard... that's it. he's a young leandro barbosa. literally, they're on exactly the same tier as players and talents. he's a terrible decisionmaker, he has tunnel vision, there isn't a player in the NBA that wastes more possessions by mindlessly attacking in bad spots and making nothing passes to teammates in no position to score with the shot clock winding down. and an avg defender on the NBA level. i would LOVE to see him put in a joe johnson like situation, as the best player on teams with solid but unremarkable talent. it would be the flame out of the decade, i guarantee it.

I agree that Westbrook has gone from underrated to overrated.
I agree Deron is a better PG.

Westbrok and Barbosa are on the same tier as players and talents? That's ridiculous. Stop it. Westbrook is MUCH MUCH better than Barbosa. Westbrook is better than Joe Johnson.

deepblueday · Post #651 » by **deepblueday** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:08 pm

young barbosa. you don't remember the years he had in phoenix? ill **** assure you that 05 to 09 barbosa could replicate westbrooks production if given his role

vincecarter4pres · Post #652 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:11 pm

For all Westbrook's faults he's still a very very good player.

Yes, he's become very overrated, but he's a lock top 20 player, I can see the argument anywhere from 12 to 20.

Comparing him to Barbosa is absurd. Barbosa and Devin Harris are a better comparison tier level and talent wise, ironically both have the same nickname.

Westbrook is not a player I'm exceptionally fond of, but he's flat beast.

enetric · Post #653 » by **enetric** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:14 pm

I do remember. But Westbrook is much much better than any point of Barbosa's career. It just wasnt fair to Westbrook IMO. I agree with your beefs about Westbrook. But the guy is an uber stud of an athlete...can get anything he wants on the court. I dont love the guy...and I have been very hard on him over the years. After last year...really watched him and I have to give credit where credit is due. Not an ideal PG...but an offensive stud who can pass enough to play the point even if he isnt an ideal floor general.

By the way...same complaints you have about him...I would point out are the same flaws Wade has. I take Wade over him no question...but Westbrook is special like that. A guy that can flat out dominate the game.

deepblueday · Post #654 » by **deepblueday** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:24 pm

sorry, i just dont see it. and yep, id put devin right in there with russel and leandro. put a young devin harris on a team with KD, Harden, and a ton of beastly defensive talent, and I think we'd be calling him a guy that could flat out dominate the game. these are all guys that were phenomenal on the break and could generally get anywhere they want to on the court, but they tended to make poor decisions or waste possesions. sure, i guess i can admit that russel is better talent than those two, just because as hard as it is to believe he's a significantly better athlete and has that clinical pullup which is a more consistent half court weapon than either of the other two ever displayed, but the difference is IMO very slight.

like i said, i really hope we get the oppurtunity to find out if he is anything more than devin.

therealbig3 · Post #655 » by **therealbig3** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:34 pm

Westbrook is a SG forced to play PG (he played SG in college), and so he gets criticized a lot for being trigger-happy...because he is. But no matter his flaws, his freak athleticism and his pretty elite midrange jumper still means he's a top 20 player and a top 5 PG quite easily. He's that good of an athlete. Both Devin and Leandro were even worse floor generals than Westbrook, and they were nowhere near the physical specimens he was. Much weaker rebounders and defenders as well. Leandro could shoot, but like I said, Westbrook has developed into a pretty strong midrange shooter. Harris was always a weak outside shooter.

I'm sorry, but comparing those two to Westbrook is a joke, they were never close. Westbrook is only a little worse than a healthy Rose. Rose is a better floor general, but he has the same bad habits that Westbrook does...gets pretty sloppy with the ball, has tunnel vision at times, and becomes a bit too trigger-happy.

deepblueday · Post #656 » by **deepblueday** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:34 pm

i also think he gets a ton of awful, BS calls that the other two never received, but maybe thats just him being better at flailing

vincecarter4pres · Post #657 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:36 pm

deepblueday wrote:sorry, i just dont see it. and yep, id put devin right in there with russel and leandro. put a young devin harris on a team with KD, Harden, and a ton of beastly defensive talent, and I think we'd be calling him a guy that could flat out dominate the game. these are all guys that were phenomenal on the break and could generally get anywhere they want to on the court, but they tended to make poor decisions or waste possesions. sure, i guess i can admit that russel is better talent than those two, just because hes an even better athlete than them and is very clinical with that pullup, but the difference is IMO very slight.

like i said, i really hope we get the oppurtunity to find out if he is anything more than devin.

I'm sorry man, you're just wrong on this one. Incredibly unbelievably wrong. This isn't debate worthy.

therealbig3 · Post #658 » by **therealbig3** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:36 pm

deepblueday wrote:i also think he gets a ton of awful, BS calls that the other two never received, but maybe thats just him being better at flailing

Seriously? Harris and Leandro were the masters of selling contact when there wasn't any, and getting to the line for no reason.

Westbrook actually gets ROBBED of fouls on a lot of plays. That game in the Finals when he went for 43 points...he was constantly attacking the rim...how many FTs did he get? 3?

deepblueday · Post #659 » by **deepblueday** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:45 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Westbrook is a SG forced to play PG (he played SG in college), and so he gets criticized a lot for being trigger-happy...because he is. But no matter his flaws, his freak athleticism and his pretty elite midrange jumper still means he's a top 20 player and a top 5 PG quite easily. He's that good of an athlete. Both Devin and Leandro were even worse floor generals than Westbrook, and they were nowhere near the physical specimens he was. Much weaker rebounders and defenders as well. Leandro could shoot, but like I said, Westbrook has developed into a pretty strong midrange shooter. Harris was always a weak outside shooter.

I'm sorry, but comparing those two to Westbrook is a joke, they were never close. Westbrook is only a little worse than a healthy Rose. Rose is a better floor general, but he has the same bad habits that Westbrook does...gets pretty sloppy with the ball, has tunnel vision at times, and becomes a bit too trigger-happy.

he isn't a SG tho, he needs the ball. he needs to push the ball on the break and he needs to have the ball with an active dribble at the top of the arc. those are his spots, and they are traditional PG areas/roles, and they at least partially exclude him from being paired alongside another ball dominant decision maker. don't think he's a better floor general than devin, both are poor, but theyre on the same tier. barbosa, i guess, but i think he was on the same tier as a drive and dish decisionmaker. i mean theyre all really really bad at setting people up, making quick, decisive rotations, feeding the post, making accurate passes to shooters, all traditional pg stuff.

rose should even enter into this discussion. chicago with westbrook is a .500 team.

deepblueday · Post #660 » by **deepblueday** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:53 pm

young leandro barbosa per 36 minutes was a 19-21 ppg scorer with a TS% in the high 50s. westbrook per 36 minutes is a 23 PPG scorer with a TS% in the low 50s. with a much higher usage rate. but the comparison is absurd and not even worth debating. okay. this is called ignoring role and bias in favor of the present. but whatever, the discussion really doesn't interest me that much, ill happily hold the minority opinion