All Lin talk here

[knicksnyk]

No the point is he had good games vs bad teams.

He was awful vs good teams.

I don't need him being good vs bad teams. I can get any monkey to do that. I need him to be good vs good teams which will be in the playoffs.
He has not proven he can do that at all. If he can't do it in the regular seaosn what makes you think he will do it in the playoffs.?

In 13 games against above-.500 teams last season (Jazz 36-30, Lakers 41-25, Mavs 36-30, Hawks 40-26, Miami 46-20, Celtics 39-27, Spurs 50-16, 76ers 35-31, Bulls 50-16, Pacers 42-24, combined record 415-245), Lin in 35 mpg averaged 18.9 points, 6.7 assists, 2.1 steals, 4.5 turnovers, on 42.3% fg, 35.1% 3pt, and 83.0% ft.

I would take this anyday from a 24 year old pg getting his first chance at starters minutes who was in his sophmore year

He scored on bad percentages. He had a bad assist to TO ratio.

He did get 2 steals which is good and he had a good ft%. Plus those numbers are skewed by two games during linsanity. The one vs lakers and the one vs the mavs. Take those out and what do you get?

lmao why should i take out his two games LOL why? was he not scouted during those two games cause he sure as hell was. unless tyson chandler was a liar & the lakers coach lies as well right I should take out those two games because it doesn't prove your point lmao. u have no argument.

[bklynstoops]

No the point is he had good games vs bad teams.

He was awful vs good teams.

I don't need him being good vs bad teams. I can get any monkey to do that. I need him to be good vs good teams which will be in the playoffs.
He has not proven he can do that at all. If he can't do it in the regular seaosn what makes you think he will do it in the playoffs.?

have you looked at kyrie irving's numbers are against Miami last year? pretty horrendous. atrocious actually. but you know, he's a young guard learning the NBA game.

[Fury]

The standards you guys have put on him. The OMG IF HE WAS HERE WE WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP standard.

Those numbers are anything but that.

That's not what I said. Please stop being dumb and read this.

Jeremy Lin COULD be really good, and I'm willing to take that risk based off the year he had.

Raymond Felton is NOT good. And is what he is.

The only way we can get past Miami is if Jeremy Lin reaches that potential because him being really good will make the difference

Will he?

I DON'T KNOW

BUT LETS GIVE IT A TRY!

Geez man

[knicksnyk]

You have brought nothing to the conversation other than yayy advanced stats and metrics.
The only ACTUAL stats you put up backed up my point.

You also keep making assumptions on what lin is and what lin will be with NOTHING to back you up other than your fancy per 36.

When I call you out on something now you are crying about it because you have no comeback. Don't blame me. I just post the ACTUAL stats. You might want to try that sometime.

lmao i had a full list of statistics and only two of them were per 36 lol but you conveniently ignored the rest of it because it doesn't prove your point lmao. hypocrite much u have no point. i am not crying i am laughing at you cuase ure kind of embarassing yourself.

[21shumpshumpst]

He scored on bad percentages. He had a bad assist to TO ratio.

He did get 2 steals which is good and he had a good ft%. Plus those numbers are skewed by two games during linsanity. The one vs lakers and the one vs the mavs. Take those out and what do you get?

If you take out his two best, you have to take out his two worst. Otherwise you're just being unfair.

By all means. Do that. And give me his numbers. I bet they are less than flattering.

[21shumpshumpst]

You have brought nothing to the conversation other than yayy advanced stats and metrics.
The only ACTUAL stats you put up backed up my point.

You also keep making assumptions on what lin is and what lin will be with NOTHING to back you up other than your fancy per 36.

When I call you out on something now you are crying about it because you have no comeback. Don't blame me. I just post the ACTUAL stats. You might want to try that sometime.

lmao i had a full list of statistics and only two of them were per 36 lol but you conveniently ignored the rest of it because it doesn't prove your point lmao. hypocrite much u have no point. i am not crying i am laughing at you cuase ure kind of embarassing yourself.

No you had a bunch of the To%, blah blah %.

The actual stats proved my point. The whole "advanced stats" crap was nothing but an empty attempt to try to prop Lin up becuase his REAL stats were not helping your cause.

[knicksnyk]

The standards you guys have put on him. The OMG IF HE WAS HERE WE WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP standard.

Those numbers are anything but that.

OMG so your entire silly tirade is based on some random standard that NOBODY put him on? GTFOH wit that nonsense nobody ever put him on this standard so ure arguing against a ghost.

[21shumpshumpst]

The standards you guys have put on him. The OMG IF HE WAS HERE WE WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP standard.

Those numbers are anything but that.

That's not what I said. Please stop being dumb and read this.

Jeremy Lin COULD be really good, and I'm willing to take that risk based off the year he had.

Raymond Felton is NOT good. And is what he is.

The only way we can get past Miami is if Jeremy Lin reaches that potential because him being really good will make the difference

Will he?

I DON'T KNOW

BUT LETS GIVE IT A TRY!

Geez man

Wait how is Felton not good? He put up 17/9 for his stint here? That is not good?

[21shumpshumpst]

The standards you guys have put on him. The OMG IF HE WAS HERE WE WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP standard.

Those numbers are anything but that.

OMG so your entire silly tirade is based on some random standard that NOBODY put him on? GTFOH wit that nonsense nobody ever put him on this standard so ure arguing against a ghost.

are you for real right now?
Everyone is crying because he was the "missing piece" our "xfactor". Why else is everyone whinning on this thread and other threads?

Give me a break man.

[Fury]

The standards you guys have put on him. The OMG IF HE WAS HERE WE WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP standard.

Those numbers are anything but that.

That's not what I said. Please stop being dumb and read this.

Jeremy Lin COULD be really good, and I'm willing to take that risk based off the year he had.

Raymond Felton is NOT good. And is what he is.

The only way we can get past Miami is if Jeremy Lin reaches that potential because him being really good will make the difference

Will he?

I DON'T KNOW

BUT LETS GIVE IT A TRY!

Geez man

Wait how is Felton not good? He put up 17/9 for his stint here? That is not good?

He's proven that he can't sustain that through 8 years in the league.

I want to see what Lin could do.

And no, Felton is a mediocre average player.

[knicksnyk]

No you had a bunch of the To%, blah blah %.

The actual stats proved my point. The whole "advanced stats" crap was nothing but an empty attempt to try to prop Lin up becuase his REAL stats were not helping your cause.

lmao so we are going to play the my stats are better than your stats game? wow. my entire point was that anybody can use statistics to prove a any point good or bad. that was what i was getting at that you conveniently missed. and to sit here and look ure nose down at advanced statistics & say your per game statistcs are better is totally FOOLISHNESS.

[Fury]

The standards you guys have put on him. The OMG IF HE WAS HERE WE WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP standard.

Those numbers are anything but that.

OMG so your entire silly tirade is based on some random standard that NOBODY put him on? GTFOH wit that nonsense nobody ever put him on this standard so ure arguing against a ghost.

are you for real right now?
Everyone is crying because he was the "missing piece" our "xfactor". Why else is everyone whinning on this thread and other threads?

Give me a break man.

An X-Factor means that he could be good, not that he's a Hall of Famer.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

are you for real right now?
Everyone is crying because he was the "missing piece" our "xfactor". Why else is everyone whinning on this thread and other threads?

Give me a break man.

Again, 'missing piece' and 'x-factor' does not imply that he's going to be some great player. Celtics fans think they would have won the 2010 championship if Perkins had been healthy for Game 7. Doesn't mean they think he's a hall-of-famer.

[GettinitDone]

Lin can't adjust. It's over.

Holy **** Shump is dumb.

Look up rookie seasons for superstars, man.

Agreed. Can't say enough how dumb they are (especially SAS). They're dumb because their main case against Lin is he can't go left... mutha... seriously??? This guy actually seriously gets paid to analyze the game and talk??? I'm a right handed guy and couldn't do **** with my left except wiping my ass (I even wiped my ass with my right thesedays) and typing. But I worked on my left hand and now about 80% comfortable (before, it was like MINUS 30% comfortable, that was how bad it was) using my left to dribble and lay ups. And it was only a period of 1 week self-training.

Lin has a coach and he goes practice three times a day, every day in summer. Working on your weak hand is one of the easiest improvement you ever gonna experience.

And I don't even know what SAS is talking about Lin's left hand a weakness like he never used it. In Sacramento game, he dribble lefty around 4 Kings defenders, never even switched to his right, and laid it lefty and the whole sequence looked pretty damn fluid to me (at least for a guy who was supposed to be stiff with his left). Check the video below yourself (0:27)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OmQ1G_jqPY[/youtube]

[knicksnyk]

Wait how is Felton not good? He put up 17/9 for his stint here? That is not good?

lmao 17 & 9. So why the assumption taht felton will go back to being a 17 & 9 player. this is the irony of this all. so you assume that felton will go back to what he was under MDA instead of be what he was in portland? if anybody had a downward statistical trend it was raymond. But with Lin for u he will continue to spiral downwards whereas felton will miraculously go back to what he was in NY. wow double standard.


and i don't care if felton averaged 17 & 9 i want to know HOW he averaged 17 & 9. I want somemore information greater than just 17 & 9. OH right those are advanced statistics lmao the stats that u claim are BS. its funny because the entire NBA relies on advanced statistics but CLEARLY the NBA doesn't know what they are doing only you. wow.

[Capn'O]

Let's not make things too complicated here. The argument is:

A) Lin is a better player than Felton.
B) Our team would be in a better position to win with a better player because better players tend to make teams better because they're better.

[Phish Tank]

Let's not make things too complicated here. The argument is:

A) Lin is a better player than Felton considering the amount of money he will be paid this year.
B) Our team would be in a better position to win with a better player because better players tend to make teams better because they're better.

Fixed to clarify the argument.

Let's provide this for more information:

1) Felton's salary: 4 million
2) Lin's average salary: 8 million

[knicksnyk]

Let's not make things too complicated here. The argument is:

A) Lin is a better player than Felton considering the amount of money he will be paid this year.
B) Our team would be in a better position to win with a better player because better players tend to make teams better because they're better.

Fixed to clarify the argument.

Let's provide this for more information:

1) Felton's salary: 4 million
2) Lin's average salary: 8 million

there are other factors. first of all i dont think woodson would have used lin properly or even wants to develop rookies. so no Lin shouldn't be here if we aren't going to use his skill set properly. felton at 4 million is still to much ray is mediocre. someone like kyle lowry would be ideal.

[21shumpshumpst]

Wait how is Felton not good? He put up 17/9 for his stint here? That is not good?

lmao 17 & 9. So why the assumption taht felton will go back to being a 17 & 9 player. this is the irony of this all. so you assume that felton will go back to what he was under MDA instead of be what he was in portland? if anybody had a downward statistical trend it was raymond. But with Lin for u he will continue to spiral downwards whereas felton will miraculously go back to what he was in NY. wow double standard.


and i don't care if felton averaged 17 & 9 i want to know HOW he averaged 17 & 9. I want somemore information greater than just 17 & 9. OH right those are advanced statistics lmao the stats that u claim are BS. its funny because the entire NBA relies on advanced statistics but CLEARLY the NBA doesn't know what they are doing only you. wow.

No I don't believe he will go back to those numbers. He had those numbers under the same inflated offense lin got his numbers from. He went to Denver and immediately his numbers dropped.

But isn't that the same thing as lin? Yeah it is. But somehow Felton = crap and Lin = godsend.

No the advanced statistics you gave me are crap. There was this really good article on advanced statistics that were actually useful. Like a heat map of Melo vs Durant shooting percentage on the floor. The percentage of melo's point that caem from iso and from other plays. Those type of advance statistics are meaninful and helfpul. They are useful. Teams use them to scout others. Per 36 is an idiotic stat. +/- ditto.

[Fury]

I'd love Kyle Lowry.

But Jeremy Lin is a good iso player.