Woelfel on WSSP: Ellis not interested re Bucks extension

[SpursNBucks]

Not anymore. He'll get to be a gunner in Charlotte this year.

YOu guys are living on old hype-

Ben Gordon - just doesn't have same game - not that he was never more then a chucker.
Jordan Crawford is a player some believe on the verge of big things based on his running mate, his age, and some big games. I do agree this is the weakest player on the list though.

What is the fascination with Eric Gordon? The guy hardly played last year before a season ending injury. He is only Ellis like 6'3". His stats are very similar to Ellis - except that Ellis has far more speed and passing ability. I have always felt Gordon to be one of the more over-rated players in the NBA by those that by into a lot of the hype type fans. He's always been a me-me guy if you have watched him since his days at IND. You love to complain about the poor defensive play of Ellis- have you watched Gordon play defense? At best Gordon will be 90% of what he was before this injury, he will get injured again (always does), and he will be a defensive liability. I don't know if people thought more of him because he was the main cog in the Paul trade (which was a fire sale at that point), but he is no where near a top 5 2G in the NBA considering he played in only 9 games last year- built a lot of those stats on a crap LA CLip team- YA, just like ELlis did on a CRAP GS team.

[emunney]

Check your facts. Gordon had a misdiagnosed meniscus tear that eventually required repair. He eased back in April. Teams that want higher draft picks don't rush their best player back. The repair requires extensive rehab as you can't bend your leg for weeks afterward and thus you lose muscle in the affected leg. But it is not a serious or lasting injury. It just requires a lot of work on the back end.

You note Ellis' speed and passing ability but ignore Gordon's size, strength, wingspan and shooting ability. Someone who was interested in making a fair comparison wouldn't.

I have watched Gordon play defense and he's far better than Ellis.

[DanoMac]

Not anymore. He'll get to be a gunner in Charlotte this year.

YOu guys are living on old hype-

Ben Gordon - just doesn't have same game - not that he was never more then a chucker.
Jordan Crawford is a player some believe on the verge of big things based on his running mate, his age, and some big games. I do agree this is the weakest player on the list though.

What is the fascination with Eric Gordon? The guy hardly played last year before a season ending injury. He is only Ellis like 6'3". His stats are very similar to Ellis - except that Ellis has far more speed and passing ability. I have always felt Gordon to be one of the more over-rated players in the NBA by those that by into a lot of the hype type fans. He's always been a me-me guy if you have watched him since his days at IND. You love to complain about the poor defensive play of Ellis- have you watched Gordon play defense? At best Gordon will be 90% of what he was before this injury, he will get injured again (always does), and he will be a defensive liability. I don't know if people thought more of him because he was the main cog in the Paul trade (which was a fire sale at that point), but he is no where near a top 5 2G in the NBA considering he played in only 9 games last year- built a lot of those stats on a crap LA CLip team- YA, just like ELlis did on a CRAP GS team.

You describe Ben Gordon as a chucker, but then say Jordan Crawford is on the verge of big things? I don't even need to read the 2nd paragraph...you really need to learn your NBA shooting guards.

[DanoMac]

His stats are very similar to Ellis - except that Ellis has far more speed and passing ability. I have always felt Gordon to be one of the more over-rated players in the NBA by those that by into a lot of the hype type fans. He's always been a me-me guy if you have watched him since his days at IND. You love to complain about the poor defensive play of Ellis- have you watched Gordon play defense? At best Gordon will be 90% of what he was before this injury, he will get injured again (always does), and he will be a defensive liability. I don't know if people thought more of him because he was the main cog in the Paul trade (which was a fire sale at that point), but he is no where near a top 5 2G in the NBA considering he played in only 9 games last year- built a lot of those stats on a crap LA CLip team- YA, just like ELlis did on a CRAP GS team.

I read this, and dear God do I regret it. Stop basing your opinions off stats and NBA 2K, and start watching some games. The way you describe Gordon, is the way you SHOULD be describing Ellis. Gordon is in no way, shape, or form a defensive liability. Gordon definitely is a top 5 SG in the league, saying anything else is asinine. Let me ask you the question that you asked, have you watched Gordon play defense? Better yet, have you watched basketball before?

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Check your facts. Gordon had a misdiagnosed meniscus tear that eventually required repair. He eased back in April. Teams that want higher draft picks don't rush their best player back. The repair requires extensive rehab as you can't bend your leg for weeks afterward and thus you lose muscle in the affected leg. But it is not a serious or lasting injury. It just requires a lot of work on the back end.

You note Ellis' speed and passing ability but ignore Gordon's size, strength, wingspan and shooting ability. Someone who was interested in making a fair comparison wouldn't.

I have watched Gordon play defense and he's far better than Ellis.

No he is not. One might have a need to use your heads. Ellis did not have to play defense in Golden State the way you think of it. He was not asked to do that nor should he have. All he should do is stay in front of his man and not allow him in the paint. And when we get a stop or block run to the other end and finish...

His role was to get or create turnovers and get out in the lanes and get transition buckets off loose balls and steals and deflections and let his bigs block shots and take fouls for him. He is in there to score...like Westbrook is in front of Ibaka and Perkins.

HE IS AN ELITE SCORER who was not asked to lock his man down. He played in a high octance system that had him get out in the passing lanes and run. It was not predicated on lock down body up defense that would get him him in foul trouble.

This should all be common sense if you know basketball and team systems. He was explosive and they allowed him freedom to roam and get steals. Monta can play great defense like Jenning son the ball, but you have role players to do that and allow them to get out and run.

That should be self explanatory. Some are overly critical in here. Monta is not a dog on defense. He played high post cheat defense which is what you do with a guy that is as explosive as he is. The Warriors were not know as a slow down half court defensive team like the Bucks will be...

Know the teams styles before you critique a player...and Gordon not a better defender then Monta. And Eric Gordon is beast on both ends. I dont know what the poster up there said...he is a lock down kind of defender and is very physical. I dont know what you are watching...open your eyes.

He is one of the most underratted players in the league having played for the Clippers not overratted.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

His stats are very similar to Ellis - except that Ellis has far more speed and passing ability. I have always felt Gordon to be one of the more over-rated players in the NBA by those that by into a lot of the hype type fans. He's always been a me-me guy if you have watched him since his days at IND. You love to complain about the poor defensive play of Ellis- have you watched Gordon play defense? At best Gordon will be 90% of what he was before this injury, he will get injured again (always does), and he will be a defensive liability. I don't know if people thought more of him because he was the main cog in the Paul trade (which was a fire sale at that point), but he is no where near a top 5 2G in the NBA considering he played in only 9 games last year- built a lot of those stats on a crap LA CLip team- YA, just like ELlis did on a CRAP GS team.

I read this, and dear God do I regret it. Stop basing your opinions off stats and NBA 2K, and start watching some games. The way you describe Gordon, is the way you SHOULD be describing Ellis. Gordon is in no way, shape, or form a defensive liability. Gordon definitely is a top 5 SG in the league, saying anything else is asinine. Let me ask you the question that you asked, have you watched Gordon play defense? Better yet, have you watched basketball before?

Exactly Gordon is an EXCELENT defender. This guy does not know what he is typing about. And Ellis is a good lanes defender as well with quick hands who cheats alot and gambles alot on passes on the perimeter. That's defense. He is not a dog on d. I dont know what you all are looking at.

Monta is the type of team defender you have to have the right players around him to see the benefit of him on the defensive end. But that is not why he is in there. Stop crying about defense from the SG position.

No one locks down an NBA shooting guard. NO ONE. It is even stupid to even ask that. All you want from that position is for your guy to hold serve with the other two guard that night and get defense elsewhere or just switch on his man and throw Mbah a Moute on him.

SG make their money scoring. We have a top 3-5 SG in the entire league in Monta Ellis. On every night you can expect us to win that matchup on a nightly basis. If you want defense then be creative and give him a break and throw different guys at his man and let him fly around in the passing lanes and utilize his strengths.

[SpursNBucks]

I read this, and dear God do I regret it. Stop basing your opinions off stats and NBA 2K, and start watching some games. The way you describe Gordon, is the way you SHOULD be describing Ellis. Gordon is in no way, shape, or form a defensive liability. Gordon definitely is a top 5 SG in the league, saying anything else is asinine. Let me ask you the question that you asked, have you watched Gordon play defense? Better yet, have you watched basketball before?

I just disagree with you on Gordon in a pretty big way- to say he is a def top 5 2G to me is asinine.

Kobe
Wade
Ginobli
Harden
(these 4 are clearly better IMO)
Joe Johnson- His #'s across the boards are better.
I also think 6'7" Kevin Martin (very good defender) is underrated and would put him above Gordon.

The biggest problem I have with Gordon is injury history. Looking around the internet MANY so called experts would put Ellis above Gordon.

According to most everyone on the Bucks board here I over-rate Ellis. Maybe I do, but just trying to get excited about the upcoming season. Maybe some board members here under-rate Ellis maybe a little too.

[AussieBuck]

Dude knows his SG defenders IMO.

[mattg]

LOL at Kevin Martin being a very good defender.

[Baddy Chuck]

I also think 6'7" Kevin Martin (very good defender) is underrated and would put him above Gordon.

I also think 6'7" Kevin Martin (very good defender) is underrated and would put him above Gordon.

I also think 6'7" Kevin Martin (very good defender) is underrated and would put him above Gordon.

[Nebula1]

What are the Bucks going to do with Ellis? There has to be a team he fits better with.

[Baddy Chuck]

What are the Bucks going to do with Ellis? There has to be a team he fits better with.

That's not saying a whole lot, there really isn't a worse fit then the current situation.

[Nebula1]

Difficult to find a team he fits well with. I was thinking the Clippers or maybe even Memphis.

[AussieBuck]

He could be an interesting fit on the Lakers if Kobe played less minutes.

[Little Digger]

Ellis as a 6th man who knows his role, would fit with every team..Hell he'd even fit with the warriors. The problem ? No way at this point Montard accepts the idea that he's not a mega NBA star.

[blkout]

I was sitting here like "why do these guys love Ben Gordon so much wtf", then I realized it was Eric. Oops.

[cellomac1212]

Ellis as a 6th man who knows his role, would fit with every team..Hell he'd even fit with the warriors. The problem ? No way at this point Montard accepts the idea that he's not a mega NBA star.

In order for Monta to play that role, you have to have a better option at sg. The problem with the Warriors and Bucks is Monta is their best player. Why bring your best player off the bench? It is dumb to blame him for a situation he has not been in since 2007 when he was a top 6th man and most improved player of the year. Maybe blame the organizations for surrounding him with suckage... Monta on the Lakers may net sixth man of the year... Monta on the bucks (or Warriors) makes average starting shooting guard... I hate that people think it is Monta's unwillingness when his entire career he has shown the resiliency to be willing. But, in order for him to buy in and be willing, you might want to provide him with better options than just score as much as you can because nobody else will...

[AussieBuck]

Yeah he's not the Bucks best player.

[Baddy Chuck]

But, in order for him to buy in and be willing, you might want to provide him with better options than just score as much as you can because nobody else will...

That is literally all he can do. And not efficiently at that.

[SpursNBucks]

I was sitting here like "why do these guys love Ben Gordon so much wtf", then I realized it was Eric. Oops.

Funny- I did that in the beginning too.