Josh Smith a Heat future target??

[twix2500]

Now this is not a rumor thats been around, but just observational prediction. We all know Pat believes in talent wins champoinships. And he will continue to finds ways to add talent regardless if we won a championship. The Spo scheme is a unique scheme that thrives on athletes and less on size. So if Riley is going to continue to add a talent who else is he looking for that fits Spo's system. What impact player could Riles add that would fit and make a big impact? What player out there is in position to become available? Josh Smith could be that guy. His talents offensively and defensively fits the style of play and fits perfectly next to Lebron James and Chris Bosh. Smith could make the Heat the fastest most athletic team every assembled that could not be matched. I think we need to keep an eye on his situation, because Riles may steal him in the dark. And yes there will be much criticism for Riles trading for him, just like when we added Antoine Walker and Jason Williams. But a move that could take this team much much higher level.

[RexBoyWonder]

We couldn't afford Josh Smith even if he was given to us on a platter on a 50% discount..so.

[Mars]

Heat can barely afford Kenny Smith right now.

[EscapoTHB]

We haaave no MONEY. Even if we got rid of Bosh and Mike Miller, we still wouldn't be in the game for Josh Smith.

And Bosh is better than Josh Smith.

Where would Josh Smith even play on our team?

[SmushedPennies]

Now this is not a rumor thats been around, but just observational prediction. We all know Pat believes in talent wins champoinships. And he will continue to finds ways to add talent regardless if we won a championship. The Spo scheme is a unique scheme that thrives on athletes and less on size. So if Riley is going to continue to add a talent who else is he looking for that fits Spo's system. What impact player could Riles add that would fit and make a big impact? What player out there is in position to become available? Josh Smith could be that guy. His talents offensively and defensively fits the style of play and fits perfectly next to Lebron James and Chris Bosh. Smith could make the Heat the fastest most athletic team every assembled that could not be matched. I think we need to keep an eye on his situation, because Riles may steal him in the dark. And yes there will be much criticism for Riles trading for him, just like when we added Antoine Walker and Jason Williams. But a move that could take this team much much higher level.

Gee wiz, you're not very good at this, are you?

- Will never have enough FA money to sign him in the big 3 era.

- Don't have assets to trade for him, unless we move one of the big 3, which would make 0 sense.

- NOT a great fit. We want players around the big 3 who know the limits of their game, are easy to get along with, are high-character, and clearly value winning above all. Everything J-Smoove is not.

I understand the intrigue in terms of his athleticism, versatile scoring, rebounding, and shotblocking, but he's a "stretch 4" with an awful jump shot he absolutely falls head over heels in love with. He'd pout if he didn't get enough touches or gets yelled at the wrong way. He's got a bad attitude and constantly clashes with coaches and the front office. Completely horrible fit top to bottom. I'm amazed.

[DefenseWins]

It's literally impossible. Maybe when Wade retires LOL.

No really... the core is fine, no money no money and no money.

[twix2500]

I know rights, what am i thinking. Lopsided trades never happen, teams never get taking advantage of the situation they are in. I mean thats like Pot head Lamar Odom, struggling coming back from an injury Caron Butler, and overpaid broken Brian Grant for Shaquille Oneal or Kwame Brown, a second rounder and a throw in for Pau Gasol. These same comments were made when I said dont be surprise if Lebron James decides to leave Cleveland he will come here. The same comments were said when i said dont be surprise that Antwan Walker or Lamar Odom becomes a miami heat. Look im not predicting on how we will obtain Josh Smith. Im saying if the right oppurtunity to trade for him reveals itself, dont be surprise that Riley makes that move.

[GreenHat]

:lol: I know rights, what am i thinking. Lopsided trades never happen, teams never get taking advantage of the situation they are in. I mean thats like Pot head Lamar Odom, struggling coming back from an injury Caron Butler, and overpaid broken Brian Grant for Shaquille Oneal or Kwame Brown, a second rounder and a throw in for Pau Gasol. These same comments were made when I said dont be surprise if Lebron James decides to leave Cleveland he will come here. The same comments were said when i said dont be surprise that Antwan Walker or Lamar Odom becomes a miami heat. Look im not predicting on how we will obtain Josh Smith. Im saying if the right oppurtunity to trade for him reveals itself, dont be surprise that Riley makes that move.

The difference being that those trades were actually possible.

The only "right opportunity" to trade for Josh Smith is if you give up Wade or Bosh.

Also that throw-in was Marc Gasol and the Lakers were forced into trading Shaq. Lebron coming here was possible. Other than the Cavs we were 2nd or 3rd on most people's list. With Smith we aren't even in the top 20. And who was saying Antoine Walker or Odom weren't possible? We literally had capspace for Odom and had EJ to trade for Walker.

[twix2500]

:lol: I know rights, what am i thinking. Lopsided trades never happen, teams never get taking advantage of the situation they are in. I mean thats like Pot head Lamar Odom, struggling coming back from an injury Caron Butler, and overpaid broken Brian Grant for Shaquille Oneal or Kwame Brown, a second rounder and a throw in for Pau Gasol. These same comments were made when I said dont be surprise if Lebron James decides to leave Cleveland he will come here. The same comments were said when i said dont be surprise that Antwan Walker or Lamar Odom becomes a miami heat. Look im not predicting on how we will obtain Josh Smith. Im saying if the right oppurtunity to trade for him reveals itself, dont be surprise that Riley makes that move.

The difference being that those trades were actually possible.

The only "right opportunity" to trade for Josh Smith is if you give up Wade or Bosh.

Also that throw-in was Marc Gasol and the Lakers were forced into trading Shaq. Lebron coming here was possible. Other than the Cavs we were 2nd or 3rd on most people's list. With Smith we aren't even in the top 20. And who was saying Antoine Walker or Odom weren't possible? We literally had capspace for Odom and had EJ to trade for Walker.

SMH, its amazing how many forget the perception of the Heat position prior to rumors started to leak. It wasnt until moments before the deals went down when people believe it was a possibility. I talked about the idea of Walker becoming a heat a year before he was traded, and I got the exact response. His salary too high, he a chucker, doesnt fit no way. Lamar Odom, same response he a pot head, not a riley type of guy, he will be priced out. The idea of Shaq becoming a heat was laughable. It was Shaq was going to be a maverick or a Knick. Then suddenly Riley flys over to LA comes back and the deal was done. None of these deals were thought of being likely or possible until it happen. And remember EJ was trade to Memphis for Williams and Posey not Walker. The Boston Celtics got a 2006 second round draft pick, a conditional second round draft pick, Qyntel Woods and the draft rights to Albert Miralles for Antoine Walker.

Riley is not going to trade the big three. But if an oppurtunity presents itself, to add an impact player Riley will make that deal if it doesnt involve the big three.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Twix, based on your logic (people think its unlikely but these unlikely things happened before) you could make the same argument for ANYTHING.

Hurr, the Lakers will trade Dwight Howard to the Heat, you guys said Shaq, Antoine Walker and Odom weren't coming here, same situation now, just watch!

[Chosen01]

I'm more confident that Kyrie Irving will be a future Heat target.

[-MK-]

I'm more confident that Kyrie Irving will be a future Heat target.

[HEATVols865]

No way I want JSmoove in Miami...the guy is a cancer and WAY OVERRATED!

[mhi]

Easily done by moving Wade, or Bosh.

But the bigger issue here is that his game offensively is similar to Lebron's, so not likely.

[Stebo_SSK]

Why would the Heat want Josh Smith? The Big 3 have proven they compliment each other very well. The last thing they need a big that likes to shoot from mid range at a mediocre to poor rate that also likes to handle the rock alot.

[twix2500]

I am not saying it will happen, I am saying its good chance that it may be there. Im mocking at the responses that its impossible, which was said about many of the trades pulled off. Atlanta Hawks organization has been shacky for a while because how the organization is put together. There business plan is fit for being just good but not great, one because of the lack of leadership when it comes to player personal managemetn. Josh Smith is naturally fit to be a role player. You guys are way over blowning Smith willingness to be a team player. He would fit perfect playing next to the big three, especially in the Spo system. Yes he likes to shoot threes, but thats not nearly enough to negate what he does bring to the table. If we are in position to trade veteran role players with championship leadership and some draft picks for Smith, it could be a possibility if Hawks are truely rebuilding their team. Smith is not a true core piece to build around, because like i said he more suited to be a role player. I think come trading deadline, the Hawks will be in a bad position to either damage their cap situation by over paying for Smith or start trading for pieces that can be valuable in the future. If they do decide to trade Smith, I think we could be a player in that situation.

[RexBoyWonder]

[SmushedPennies]

I am not saying it will happen, I am saying its good chance that it may be there. Im mocking at the responses that its impossible, which was said about many of the trades pulled off. Atlanta Hawks organization has been shacky for a while because how the organization is put together. There business plan is fit for being just good but not great, one because of the lack of leadership when it comes to player personal managemetn. Josh Smith is naturally fit to be a role player. You guys are way over blowning Smith willingness to be a team player. He would fit perfect playing next to the big three, especially in the Spo system. Yes he likes to shoot threes, but thats not nearly enough to negate what he does bring to the table. If we are in position to trade veteran role players with championship leadership and some draft picks for Smith, it could be a possibility if Hawks are truely rebuilding their team. Smith is not a true core piece to build around, because like i said he more suited to be a role player. I think come trading deadline, the Hawks will be in a bad position to either damage their cap situation by over paying for Smith or start trading for pieces that can be valuable in the future. If they do decide to trade Smith, I think we could be a player in that situation.

1. Of course you're not saying "it will happen." If you were, we'd dismiss you even more summarily, because clearly you'd be, well, less in touch with reality than it appears you are. We assume you don't think you're psychic.

2. There isn't a good chance it may be there, and just because some trades have gone down in the league that people thought wouldn't, doesn't mean ANY trade can go down. ONCE AGAIN, the Heat DO NOT HAVE ASSETS. We traded nearly all of our picks for the foreseeable future in acquiring the Big 3. Unless you want to trade Wade, LeBron, or Bosh, it's not happening.

3. Let's see if this works for you. I'll present a scenario: Imagine you're ATL's front office. On your telephone you have Pat Riley on one line, and, let's say, PHI's front office on another. Which trade do you take: Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Joel Anthony, and our 1st from Philly (early 20's, likely), or something like Thaddeus Young, Dorell Wright, and a future 1st? If they're rebuilding, they're not trading for old vets, which is all we can offer besides Mario, which would make no sense for us. There are many better examples around the league, but Philly fits the bill of a team with young assets that might be interested in a Josh Smith to put them over the hump. Would ATL really do Riley the favor of taking his old vets, who have more value to us than them, over younger players that can be a part of their re-building core? Are they going to trade him for relative junk in the same division, theoretically making the champs better, when they could send him somewhere out West for better parts? Think hard before you answer.

4. I guess we'll all just have to agree to disagree with you on Josh Smith being a "team player" who will accept a role. You're the only person who follows the NBA who could think that. He's always been a malcontent who is more concerned with his own personal gains than the team. If you don't see that, you're choosing not to.

5. How could a player who loves shooting his low-percentage 3-pointer be a "perfect fit" for the Big 3. Are you out of your mind? We need floor-spacers, not guys who think they're floor-spacers. His passing, shot-blocking, and rebounding would be great fits, but nothing much beyond that. And all of his drawbacks would negate the positives of those attributes.

6. Unless we're really struggling during the season, why would we trade away vets we value to bring in a malcontent bound to disrupt chemistry? Championship teams don't do that. It would be a desperation move. In fact, even if we did struggle during the season, Riley would have faith we'd come around by the playoffs again like we have several times before. Would we consider it over the summer if we didn't win the title this year and Battier, UD, Miller, and/or Joel all looked shot? Maybe, if Riley thought he could essentially date r*** Atlanta via trade.

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I applaud you for trying to stay ahead of the curve and seeing what might be out there for us to improve, but when Smith is traded, he'll likely go to a team in that Indiana, Philadelphia, Denver, etc. tier, not the best team in the league (at least not without them moving one of their 3 best players). In other words, teams looking to get over the hump into the top tier, who have better, younger role players to offer (see: upside, rebuilding teams like it), as well as more and better draft picks. I understand you take pride in the Walker trade, but that was very different. We had the assets to make that work. This time, we don't. No team has ever been dumb enough to trade a star in his prime for a few past-their-prime, specialist vets, and no picks. Any 1st-rounders we could even offer would be late picks. Not enticing.

I shouldn't have wasted all this time on this, but you really seem like you needed the help.

[JustAwesome]

Now this is not a rumor thats been around, but just observational prediction. We all know Pat believes in talent wins champoinships. And he will continue to finds ways to add talent regardless if we won a championship. The Spo scheme is a unique scheme that thrives on athletes and less on size. So if Riley is going to continue to add a talent who else is he looking for that fits Spo's system. What impact player could Riles add that would fit and make a big impact? What player out there is in position to become available? Josh Smith could be that guy. His talents offensively and defensively fits the style of play and fits perfectly next to Lebron James and Chris Bosh. Smith could make the Heat the fastest most athletic team every assembled that could not be matched. I think we need to keep an eye on his situation, because Riles may steal him in the dark. And yes there will be much criticism for Riles trading for him, just like when we added Antoine Walker and Jason Williams. But a move that could take this team much much higher level.

How would the team financially make this happen?

[SmushedPennies]

It can actually work using a combination of 3 or so of our role players (Ray/Shard and others are currently untradeable, though). Basically a package like Miller, Battier, and Joel would work. I think you could sub in Chalmers and/or UD. Just because it could work financially doesn't mean it would make any sense, though.

Basically, the best package we could put together would be:

Chalmers
Battier (or Miller)
Joel (or UD)

I don't think we can trade Philly's 1st until after its selected, because of rules on how many you can trade consecutive years. This package would shed them around 2.5 mil this season, but instead of just having JSmoove's contract come off the books (he's expiring), they'd be picking up an extra PG they don't need, and two 30+ defensive-minded vets with multiple years on their deals. We don't have any expiring players to send them. It would make no sense at all.