Around MLB '12-'13 (offseason signings, trades, rumors, ect)

Post #221 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:45 am

humanrefutation wrote:Trout's team is also going to be watching the playoffs from home, which is something that folks factor in for better or worse.

Also stupid, considering the Angels have actually won more games. Trout's also faced significantly better pitching more often.

Post #222 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:53 am

I also don't bring this up to dump on Cabrera. But the gap between him and Trout this year is so big that I don't see any argument for him as MVP. Like twirly said, any other year, sure.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #223 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:24 pm

Ben Sheets makes it all the way back to the big leagues only to announce that he's retiring after the season?

It seems that he won't be on the playoff roster for the Braves meaning he will finish his career without ever throwing a pitch in the postseason.

WEFFPIM · Post #224 » by **WEFFPIM** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 6:36 pm

DrugBust wrote:It's a stat completely dependent on someone else.

No. No, not really. 44 home runs, 139 RBI. If no one was on base for any of his home runs, 32% of his RBI would be solely him.

DH34Phan · Post #225 » by **DH34Phan** » Sat Oct 6, 2012 8:40 pm

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom ... ts-of-2012

The 20 most depressing Pirates facts of 2012. Good read.

dinderdan · Post #226 » by **dinderdan** » Tue Oct 9, 2012 9:32 pm

DH34Phan wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/12516/the-20-most-depressing-pirates-facts-of-2012

The 20 most depressing Pirates facts of 2012. Good read.

Wow.

That really is pathetic.

HurricaneKid · Post #227 » by **HurricaneKid** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:05 pm

I'm kind of amazed so many people here are defending RBI as a stat. Its been shown over and over to be a terrible stat. Miggy actually had a negative "clutch" rating which means he was slightly worse when men WERE on base.

Last I checked Miggy came to the plate with ~425 men on base over the season, while Trout had ~285. So you are literally giving Miggy the MVP because the guys in front of him got on.

There was not a single month since Trout was called up that Miggy had a better WAR than he did.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... ore-100756

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... years-ago/

Ayt · Post #228 » by **Ayt** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:13 pm

DrugBust wrote:I'm astonished that it appears Cabrera will win the MVP over Trout. It shouldn't even close. For all the talk of Cabrera's "historic" season, he wouldn't even be the most valuable 3B if he were in the NL.

Here is a good article by Nate Silver on the AL MVP.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... -m-v-p/?hp

Post #229 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:46 pm

Braun comes up 2nd in the MVP, on all 32 ballots, no lower than 4th. Writers didn't screw him. Bodes well for future consideration.

WEFFPIM · Post #230 » by **WEFFPIM** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:50 pm

Cabrera wins AL MVP.

Commence ignorant freakouts.

BUCKnation · Post #231 » by **BUCKnation** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:03 am

DrugBust wrote:Braun comes up 2nd in the MVP, on all 32 ballots, no lower than 4th. Writers didn't screw him. Bodes well for future consideration.

Good to hear.

Kerb Hohl · Post #232 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:16 am

WEFFPIM wrote:Cabrera wins AL MVP.

Commence ignorant freakouts.

I'm totally fine with Cabrera winning it...but...ignorant?

Probably the incorrect term.

Post #233 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:12 am

I don't think a good argument can be made for Cabrera, but I'm also not outraged. It takes a while for antiquated views to go away, but it'll happen eventually.

blazza18 · Post #234 » by **blazza18** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:50 am

Glad Braun got some kind of recognition for a fantastic season.

Kerb Hohl · Post #235 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:09 pm

Yeah, I am fine with Cabrera winning it, but I'm not sure why somebody who respects or tries to craft statistics to quantify just how bad Miguel Cabrera is at defense instead of counting an arbitrary amount of times that he got close to, but screwed up a play (errors) would be arguing on the basis of ignorance. That and RBIs/batting average are not great stats.

BUCKnation · Post #236 » by **BUCKnation** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:56 pm

Toronto signs Melky Cabrera for 2 years $16 mil. They are looking quite nice.

Kerb Hohl · Post #237 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:34 pm

http://deadspin.com/5961244/****

Some of the language is NSFW.

"Ignorant!"

Post #238 » by **jr lucosa** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:01 am

The Blue Jays got a lot of major league talent over the last few days.

WEFFPIM · Post #239 » by **WEFFPIM** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:55 am

"Ignorant" refers to the old school baseball writer dopes that are now attacking the new school baseball bloggers who love advanced stats.

"Ignorant" refers to the new school baseball bloggers who love advanced stats screaming at the top of their lungs that the old school baseball writer dopes got it wrong.

"Ignorant" refers to everyone making an argument about this. This year, more than any other year, whoever you thought was worthy of winning this...you're right.

Post #240 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:07 am

Gonna disagree, just because Trout should have been an old school guy as well. His traditional numbers (avg, runs, stolen bases, home runs) were outstanding as well. If you voted for Cabrera, what you said was defense and base-running didn't matter. And for that you're an idiot.