Rhymes with Nintendo - The Gerald Henderson Thread

countryboi · Post #121 » by **countryboi** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:02 pm

so how does everyone feel about dumping hendo for picks and space. letting gordan have the position this year and then signing a shooter or drafting another SG...its not like scoring SG are not a dime a dozen

mrknowitall215 · Post #122 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:53 pm

I'm in between about the idea of signing Hendo to a contract extension. If he can be had for 4 years/$25 million price range, that would be a fair offer and should be considered by management, but my problem with keeping Hendo is his prospective role in the future with this team and the possibility of a drop off in production with more talent on the roster. I don't see him as a starting caliber SG for a team that want to contend for a championship unless you have a James Harden-like talent reserve behind him, which lead to my ultimate belief that the Bobcats should avoid signing him to an extension and try to trade him around the deadline.

Liver_Pooty · Post #123 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:08 pm

countryboi wrote:so how does everyone feel about dumping hendo for picks and space. letting gordan have the position this year and then signing a shooter or drafting another SG...its not like scoring SG are not a dime a dozen

We will have plenty of space. Im all for keeping him.

LamarMatic7 · Post #124 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:27 pm

The thing about Hendo that bothers me a bit is that we believe that he can become a solid offensive two guard and one of the best defensive SGs in the league. And he seems to have the potential. However Bill Simmons made a great point (and proved it with stats) that most shooting guards make a huge leap at the age of 23 and almost reach their ceiling. Hendo will be 25 in December...

HornetJail · Post #125 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:45 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:The thing about Hendo that bothers me a bit is that we believe that he can become a solid offensive two guard and one of the best defensive SGs in the league. And he seems to have the potential. However Bill Simmons made a great point (and proved it with stats) that most shooting guards make a huge leap at the age of 23 and almost reach their ceiling. Hendo will be 25 in December...

On the flip side, most potential-filled two-guards weren't stuck in Larry Brown's dog house for the first 18 months of their NBA career despite being lottery picks. He has essentially one and a half years of experience and nearly all has come under Paul Silas's futile coaching. Henderson will break out when his shot is consistent enough to be respectable.

SWedd523 · Post #126 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:39 pm

I say let the month pass and let him hit RFA. He hasn't shown enough to be a franchise cornerstone and I don't want to lock up ~8-10mil in a player who won't take us over the top.

doc.end · Post #127 » by **doc.end** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 9:44 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
countryboi wrote:so how does everyone feel about dumping hendo for picks and space. letting gordan have the position this year and then signing a shooter or drafting another SG...its not like scoring SG are not a dime a dozen

We will have plenty of space. Im all for keeping him.

From tonights perspective.

doc.end · Post #128 » by **doc.end** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 10:03 pm

It is not only about what Henderson could bring and was reasonable to expect. There is always a price of lost options i.e. for the money he would get we could get someone else or other assets. Would I welcome him back? Absolutely. But I am not sure he is the best we could get. Overpaying for our own players just to safe our face for not letting them go for nothing instead investing money into what is best bargain on market in any given year is not the way to go. Saving some bucks per year is not that big, the loss of potential capspace may be more important. Gerald is going to be a valueable asset, we are certain to have him in next two years (assuming shooting guards outside of top tier are not going to be overpaid that much in summer), he doesn't seem to prefer playing somewhere else (yet), we could probably get him back anyway. Unless we could lock him up for no-brainer money (which is a big if and we fans would rather not sassuming this is possible) there is little advantage in my opinion to sign him now - after all smaller contracts are hard to trade for a significant value, hard to see getting picks for Gerald, so it may actually be better to have him under larger contract which could match some value going the other way. I still think Henderson is low profile, under the radar, underrated around the league and unless it would otherwise send a bad signal there is no urgency to get it done now.

Can someone enlighten me how sign and trade trades works under new rules? And how much we could frontload possible Henderson's contract?

Liver_Pooty · Post #129 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 10:31 pm

doc.end wrote:It is not only about what Henderson could bring and was reasonable to expect. There is always a price of lost options i.e. for the money he would get we could get someone else or other assets. Would I welcome him back? Absolutely. But I am not sure he is the best we could get. Overpaying for our own players just to safe our face for not letting them go for nothing instead investing money into what is best bargain on market in any given year is not the way to go. Saving some bucks per year is not that big, the loss of potential capspace may be more important. Gerald is going to be a valueable asset, we are certain to have him in next two years (assuming shooting guards outside of top tier are not going to be overpaid that much in summer), he doesn't seem to prefer playing somewhere else (yet), we could probably get him back anyway. Unless we could lock him up for no-brainer money (which is a big if and we fans would rather not sassuming this is possible) there is little advantage in my opinion to sign him now - after all smaller contracts are hard to trade for a significant value, hard to see getting picks for Gerald, so it may actually be better to have him under larger contract which could match some value going the other way. I still think Henderson is low profile, under the radar, underrated around the league and unless it would otherwise send a bad signal there is no urgency to get it done now.

Can someone enlighten me how sign and trade trades works under new rules? And how much we could frontload possible Henderson's contract?

Isn't Jeremy Lins contract severely front loaded?

HornetJail · Post #130 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Oct 3, 2012 11:44 pm

When Houston signed Lin and Asik, they back-loaded the crap out of their contracts. Because they were FAs before their fourth season they were only allowed ~5M for two more years. So, Houston signed them for 5-something million for each of the first two years and then gave them the max for the final season of their contracts (which was like 15M). I didn't even know that was allowed until they did that.

Although in 2015 Lin and Asik will be making a combined $30M.

While we're on the topic of Asik, does he remind any of you of a younger Diop? Hopeless offensive player, solid (with the potential to be more) on defense, and got a big contract based SOLELY on potential on one end of the floor.

James Gatz · Post #131 » by **James Gatz** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 2:40 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:When Houston signed Lin and Asik, they back-loaded the crap out of their contracts. Because they were FAs before their fourth season they were only allowed ~5M for two more years. So, Houston signed them for 5-something million for each of the first two years and then gave them the max for the final season of their contracts (which was like 15M). I didn't even know that was allowed until they did that.

It was only if Chicago matched. HOU is paying both of them $8,374,646 a year for three years.

HornetJail · Post #132 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 4:17 am

OK, I knew there was something I was missing, I just remember talk that Lin would cost the Knicks something like 40M in 2015 because of them owing a lot of luxury tax on top of his massive payday in '15.

Liver_Pooty · Post #133 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 5:18 am

James Gatz wrote:
CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:When Houston signed Lin and Asik, they back-loaded the crap out of their contracts. Because they were FAs before their fourth season they were only allowed ~5M for two more years. So, Houston signed them for 5-something million for each of the first two years and then gave them the max for the final season of their contracts (which was like 15M). I didn't even know that was allowed until they did that.

It was only if Chicago matched. HOU is paying both of them $8,374,646 a year for three years.

No wonder Royce White doesn't want to come to camp...

James Gatz · Post #134 » by **James Gatz** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 1:51 pm

No wonder Royce White doesn't want to come to camp...

Because other players are getting more than him? That's like saying MKG shouldn't show up because Ben Gordon is our highest paid player.

LamarMatic7 · Post #135 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 2:35 pm

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:The thing about Hendo that bothers me a bit is that we believe that he can become a solid offensive two guard and one of the best defensive SGs in the league. And he seems to have the potential. However Bill Simmons made a great point (and proved it with stats) that most shooting guards make a huge leap at the age of 23 and almost reach their ceiling. Hendo will be 25 in December...
On the flip side, most potential-filled two-guards weren't stuck in Larry Brown's dog house for the first 18 months of their NBA career despite being lottery picks. He has essentially one and a half years of experience and nearly all has come under Paul Silas's futile coaching. Henderson will break out when his shot is consistent enough to be respectable.

I'd use "if" rather than "when".

Liver_Pooty · Post #136 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Oct 4, 2012 6:45 pm

James Gatz wrote:
No wonder Royce White doesn't want to come to camp...

Because other players are getting more than him? That's like saying MKG shouldn't show up because Ben Gordon is our highest paid player.

Thats not what I meant. Not even close, actually. Was using sarcasm as a way to demonstrate how horrible it was for Houston to give Lin and Asik those types of deals.

Post #137 » by **fatlever** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:24 pm

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... leigh.html

coach k helped hendo after the heat game last night. hopefully he can get hendo out of this funk. we need him badly.

Kembastockton · Post #138 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:58 pm

I think people make to much of stats. I loved the fact that Hendo was in attack mode last night. Maybe he was trying to show off in front of Coach K. I don't know, but I loved the way he was taking it in through the trees.

mrknowitall215 · Post #139 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:18 pm

You're going out on the limb by saying that you like the way Hendo was taking it in through the trees. He looked bad. The stats actually made his performance seem better than it was in plain view, because 13 points, 4 assist, 3 rebounds, & 3 steals isn't considered struggling if us people "make too much of stats".

Kembastockton · Post #140 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:27 pm

Everybody has a bad shooting night at times. I like the fact that he was taking the lead, and attacking.