Flopping Fines

[Farsider322]

I love it. Its about time the NBA ended to soccer style flopping. Although the Collins brothers will no longer have an NBA skill.

Which NBA player will have the highest fines at the end of the year?
Couldn't find last years numbers but here are some to think about:

1996 Full Regular Season
Rank Team Player Off.Fouls
Drawn
1 CLE Varejao 99
2 DAL Harris 77
3 MIL Bogut 74
4 PHO Bell 72
5 GSW Ellis 64
6 PHO Nash 62
7 IND O'Neal 57
8 CHI Nocioni 50
9 HOU Battier 50
10 Gs/Ind Dunleavy 49
11 MIA Posey 46
12 NJN Collins 45
13 UTA Fisher 45
14 CHI Wallace 44
15 Phi/Den Iverson 43
16 Den/Phi Joe.Smith 43
17 NOK Mason 42
18 CHI Hinrich 40
19 NJN Moore 37
20 LAL Parker 37
21 CHA Wallace 36
22 NJN Nachbar 35
23 DAL Howard 35
24 WAS Daniels 34
25 MIA Haslem 34
26 Ind/Gs Harrington 34
27 TOR Parker 33
28 TOR Bosh 33
29 NJN Carter 32
30 SAS Oberto 31
31 SAS Ginobili 31
32 SAS Bowen 31
33 PHO Barbosa 31
34 SAC Martin 31
35 UTA Collins 31

http://www.82games.com/charges0607.htm

[DelaneyRudd]

Those are the numbers of getting Offensive foul calls in 06/07, not necessarily the number of flops.

[StocktonShorts]

I think there just as many (if not more) flops by offensive players.

[nguyenbalong]

blake griffin comes to mind when flopping was mentioned. I remember the game when he flopped like a fish out of water in the last min against us.

[The59Sound]

Love me some James Harden, but while he isn't one of the NBA's most prolific floppers, his flops are absolutely outrageous.

This rule change should be interesting. I don't think it will make anyone on RealGM (including us/me) complain any less about the officiating; it will just change what we're complaining about.

[Hoops Addict]

I like the rule.

It is bad for the game and complete BS when someone flops, especially when they haven't been touched....You know, a soccer flop where there was zero foul and 100% acting. Those flops should be 25k at least.

Most people throw themselves back when someone chrges into them, but the people who have minimal contact and flop super hard are bad for the game.

I expct that fines will only go to super bad floppers. It is a judgement call.

Good rule.

[DelaneyRudd]

I wish fines were percentage based. Kobe should pay more than Kevin Murphy. It gives the super wealthy an advantage to take a chance on a flop with no in game consequences and little bottom line issue.

[The59Sound]

I wish fines were percentage based. Kobe should pay more than Kevin Murphy. It gives the super wealthy an advantage to take a chance on a flop with no in game consequences and little bottom line issue.

That's a really good point. It's barely pocket change for some players, while others are pulling in the only NBA paycheck they'll ever get.

[StocktonShorts]

I wish fines were percentage based. Kobe should pay more than Kevin Murphy. It gives the super wealthy an advantage to take a chance on a flop with no in game consequences and little bottom line issue.

But Kobe's reputation will take a bigger hit than Kevin Murphy's.

[Neon Black]

It's amazing seeing Jarron Collin's name up there with agers that get waaaay more minutes. Dude really could draw a foul.

[Luigi]

I wish fines were percentage based. Kobe should pay more than Kevin Murphy. It gives the super wealthy an advantage to take a chance on a flop with no in game consequences and little bottom line issue.

That's a really good point. It's barely pocket change for some players, while others are pulling in the only NBA paycheck they'll ever get.

I wonder if the league wants it that way. Superstars continue to run the league, and fans think they're doing something about flopping.

[nghedman]

Instead of trying to penalizing the player outside of the game, why don't they just do what soccer does and penalize the player within the rules and in the game itself.

I liked to see them give 2-3 fouls to a player for faking a foul.

In soccer if it is a bad flop they kick them out of the game plus they are kicked out the next game, or thy can give them a yellow card. Two yellow cards and they are kicked out of the game. A fake flop is an instant yellow card mininally, no matter what! And so two yellow cards is a red card.

2-3 fouls for a flop in basketball would be comparable to a yellow card. Don't you think a player with 3 fouls if he flops gets fouled out of the game would be careful of that. or if he does it once could instantly be out until next half by the coach to even out the fouls with his playing time.

Or even better, make it a free two points for the other team. We rarely see goal tending but it happens and the penalty is given. As long as it's a strict penalty (in the player's mind) it will be put in it's place within the game.

[MeestR]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/sports/basketball/nba-institutes-policy-to-combat-flopping.html

from the middle of the article...

Although the fines are not particularly onerous, the shame of being publicly labeled a flopper might be an effective deterrent. Flopping is generally viewed by players as a cheap trick — or, more bluntly, a “chump move,” as Kobe Bryant said in an interview with Los Angeles reporters.

Embarrassment is not necessarily the goal, Jackson said, “but if it happens, and it helps keep flopping to a minimum, it’s great.”

The N.B.A. already employs game “loggers” who tag and catalog every play of every game. They will now add flops — or perceived flops — to the list of tagged plays, which will be reviewed daily by Jackson and his staff. Teams can also alert Jackson to suspected flops.

The league will not formally announce when a player has been judged guilty of flopping, Jackson said, but will instead post a daily update on the “media central” section of its Web site. No fines will be issued during the preseason, although players will be given warnings.

For serial floppers, the habit could get expensive quickly. Jackson said that a player can be fined for multiple flops in a single game. Thus, a three-flop night could cost $30,000 or more.

Some commentators and players would prefer to have referees call a flop when it happens, and for the punishment to be immediate. Jackson said that would be impractical and “not fair” to the referees, who would not have the benefit of replay and multiple camera angles. Using replay during a game might create too many delays.

“It’s too difficult for the referees to assess,” Jackson said. He added, “It’s unfair, given all the other levels of contact that they need to observe and violations that they need to observe during the game.”

Jackson’s staff will also have the benefit of using the league’s video database to compare similar plays from the past

but it still wont solve the problem of richer players having the ability to buy a win. the fines wont be assessed until after the free throws are shot.

[Hoops Addict]

I assume judging the penalties for flopping will be done by NBA officials AFTER the game.

[DelaneyRudd]

They are right that it's hard to judge in game. A bad flop that fools no one already hurts the flopper's team. It's the good flops that hurt the game.

[reapaman]

I still don't think I'm reading the flopping rules correctly because if I am this is way too excessive and could have a big effect of playoff races and important games.

Let me get this straight ..... if you flop 6 times throughout the season then you are elgible to be suspended as well as a possible suspension for every flop after that? If thats true then thats horrible. Someone like Manu does an ovious flop six times at least every 2 - 3 games. I mean the clippers flopped so much last year to the point with this rule half their team can be suspended for one game each week. Plus they are reviewing the games the next day and not during the game so they are more likely to get it right and catch some flops thats may have went unoticed during the game.

Please tell me I'm reading that wrong because I can see the public in an uproar when key guys are missing game late in the season and in the playoffs. Probley some conspiracy theories to if a certain guy such a Lebron doesn't get penalized for a flop that would take him out a important game or something.

[gojazzgo]

That's only assuming the guys will keep doing it. If Paul,Ginobli, etc. start getting hit with fines and possible suspensions, I'd think they'd make sure to not get suspended. If they are already at 6 when the playoffs start, I'd think they'd make sure not to do it and hurt their team

[DelaneyRudd]

Then what's the difference between determining a flop and a flinch?

[Farsider322]

The more I think about the flopping, I start to think about why it has gotten so bad. I think it is because the offensive players are shoulder bumping to make room to shoot. I think those fouls should be called too.

[nghedman]

The more I think about the flopping, I start to think about why it has gotten so bad. I think it is because the offensive players are shoulder bumping to make room to shoot. I think those fouls should be called too.

Your on to something here. Thats got to be it exactly. The exageration has come about because the offensive fouls are NOT called, and still are not called unless a defensive player falls down, he can get bumped and bumped over and over again in the lane and the refs just stare at it like it's ok.

This is why fining them and having it not part of the game is going to ruin the game and allow more corruption, like buying wins, missed calls, more complaints, more retailiation etc etc etc.

No reason to not do both, just put the game action in the game action. This rule actually is penalizing against the game itself and asking players not to get paid to play it.