OT: Miguel Cabrera wins MLB Triple Crown

[Boik14]

I couldn't care what the rookie did, when you actually hit for the MLB Triple Crown? You're the leagues MVP. No question about it. His team also made the postseason? It's history.

You do realize that the Triple Crown is not an actual award right? Its actually no better then Cabrera 2010 season for which he did not win MVP. Trout's season is unprecedented and his WAR is 10.4 or 2.4 Games better then anyone else in baseball. Not only should he be the AL MVP, his year was so good they shouldnt even give an NL MVP just out of respect to how good it was.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &players=0

You do realize that WAR is a non standardized stat, and the 3 main sites that calculate it all have different ways of doing so?

There is no award for winning all 4 Grand Slams in tennis, but it's still impressive to do so, right?
There is no award for winning all 3 major horse racing races, but if a horse does he is declared a Triple Crown winner.

Barry Bonds slugging .863 in 2001 was way more impressive than what Trout did.

And you realize that WAR is still the single most important stat? By telling you how much better you are then an average player at your position it assigns an actual value to your accomplishments and production. If one player is 10.4 games better then an average player at his position how is he less valuable then a player who puts up 7.3 Wins Above Replacement at a different position? Hes not.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Didn't Ben Zobrist have a few WAR titles? That should automatically provide some discredit to that stat. He's a decent player but far from the best player in the league

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagu ... ders.shtml

[moocow007]

You do realize that WAR is a non standardized stat, and the 3 main sites that calculate it all have different ways of doing so?

There is no award for winning all 4 Grand Slams in tennis, but it's still impressive to do so, right?
There is no award for winning all 3 major horse racing races, but if a horse does he is declared a Triple Crown winner.

Barry Bonds slugging .863 in 2001 was way more impressive than what Trout did.

And you realize that WAR is still the single most important stat? By telling you how much better you are then an average player at your position it assigns an actual value to your accomplishments and production. If one player is 10.4 games better then an average player at his position how is he less valuable then a player who puts up 7.3 Wins Above Replacement at a different position? Hes not.

No it's not. That's just ridiculous. WAR is the Wins awared over replacement player meaning the amount of extra wins he accounted for that would not have been there had essentially a scrub been playing instead of him. Cabrera's WAR is at 7. so you're telling us that 3 extra wins over replacement between the two is CLEARLY what makes Trout beter?

[moocow007]

Didn't Ben Zobrist have a few WAR titles? That should automatically provide some discredit to that stat. He's a decent player but far from the best player in the league

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagu ... ders.shtml

Yes. And yep Zobrist isn't even the best player on his own team.

[Sark]

And you realize that WAR is still the single most important stat? By telling you how much better you are then an average player at your position it assigns an actual value to your accomplishments and production. If one player is 10.4 games better then an average player at his position how is he less valuable then a player who puts up 7.3 Wins Above Replacement at a different position? Hes not.

So in your eyes, you would vote Trout #1, Cano # 2, Verlander #3, and Cabrera #4 if you had an MVP vote? I mean Cano finished 2nd in WAR this year, and it's the most important stat, right?

[Boik14]

You do realize that WAR is a non standardized stat, and the 3 main sites that calculate it all have different ways of doing so?

There is no award for winning all 4 Grand Slams in tennis, but it's still impressive to do so, right?
There is no award for winning all 3 major horse racing races, but if a horse does he is declared a Triple Crown winner.

Barry Bonds slugging .863 in 2001 was way more impressive than what Trout did.

And you realize that WAR is still the single most important stat? By telling you how much better you are then an average player at your position it assigns an actual value to your accomplishments and production. If one player is 10.4 games better then an average player at his position how is he less valuable then a player who puts up 7.3 Wins Above Replacement at a different position? Hes not.

No it's not. That's just ridiculous. WAR is the Wins awared over replacement player meaning the amount of extra wins he accounted for that would not have been there had essentially a scrub been playing instead of him. Cabrera's WAR is at 7. so you're telling us that 3 extra wins over replacement between the two is CLEARLY what makes Trout beter?

1. WAR doesnt assume there is a scrub there, its wins a player give you over a league average player at his position. 2. Wins is what we care about. Whether a player gets wins via homers or doubles does it really matter if the player who gets you more wins is a doubles hitter? I can tell you every GM and manager will want the player who helps the TEAM get more wins. Trout does that and that is why WAR is more important then simple statistics. Those 3 extra wins are why the Angels had a better record despite being in a harder division despite their entire staff besides Jared Weaver underachieving. 3.You mean to tell me that 3 extra wins means less then having a 4 point better BA, 19 less homes and significantly less defense, runs scored, steals etc? What kind of arbitrary BS is that?

[Boik14]

And you realize that WAR is still the single most important stat? By telling you how much better you are then an average player at your position it assigns an actual value to your accomplishments and production. If one player is 10.4 games better then an average player at his position how is he less valuable then a player who puts up 7.3 Wins Above Replacement at a different position? Hes not.

So in your eyes, you would vote Trout #1, Cano # 2, Verlander #3, and Cabrera #4 if you had an MVP vote? I mean Cano finished 2nd in WAR this year, and it's the most important stat, right?

Abso-f**king-lutely!. Theres no way a player who helps his team get less wins than a player who helps his team get more wins.

Now you mean to tell me that if Cabrera hits 6 points lower and Trout wins the BA title or Josh Hamilton hits two more homers and a few more RBI that you would still be sitting here talking about Miguel Caberera as the MVP? Does that make Cabrera's season less valuable if he doesnt win the Triple Crown? Cabrera had almost the same year in 2010 and there was no outrage then that Hamilton dusted him in the MVP race. Wonder why?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/award ... 2010.shtml

[Sark]

And you realize that WAR is still the single most important stat? By telling you how much better you are then an average player at your position it assigns an actual value to your accomplishments and production. If one player is 10.4 games better then an average player at his position how is he less valuable then a player who puts up 7.3 Wins Above Replacement at a different position? Hes not.

So in your eyes, you would vote Trout #1, Cano # 2, Verlander #3, and Cabrera #4 if you had an MVP vote? I mean Cano finished 2nd in WAR this year, and it's the most important stat, right?

Abso-f**king-lutely!. Theres no way a player who helps his team get less wins than a player who helps his team get more wins.

Now you mean to tell me that if Cabrera hits 6 points lower and Trout wins the BA title or Josh Hamilton hits two more homers and a few more RBI that you would still be sitting here talking about Miguel Caberera as the MVP? Does that make Cabrera's season less valuable if he doesnt win the Triple Crown? Cabrera had almost the same year in 2010 and there was no outrage then that Hamilton dusted him in the MVP race. Wonder why?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/award ... 2010.shtml

It's not WAR of the year though. And should Ben Zobrist have won the MVP last year?

[Boik14]

And you realize that WAR is still the single most important stat? By telling you how much better you are then an average player at your position it assigns an actual value to your accomplishments and production. If one player is 10.4 games better then an average player at his position how is he less valuable then a player who puts up 7.3 Wins Above Replacement at a different position? Hes not.

So in your eyes, you would vote Trout #1, Cano # 2, Verlander #3, and Cabrera #4 if you had an MVP vote? I mean Cano finished 2nd in WAR this year, and it's the most important stat, right?

Abso-f**king-lutely!. Theres no way a player who helps his team get less wins than a player who helps his team get more wins.

Now you mean to tell me that if Cabrera hits 6 points lower and Trout wins the BA title or Josh Hamilton hits two more homers and a few more RBI that you would still be sitting here talking about Miguel Caberera as the MVP? Does that make Cabrera's season less valuable if he doesnt win the Triple Crown? Cabrera had almost the same year in 2010 and there was no outrage then that Hamilton dusted him in the MVP race. Wonder why?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/award ... 2010.shtml

It's not WAR of the year though. And should Ben Zobrist have won the MVP last year?[/quote]Answer my question first. Then Ill answer this.

[Boik14]

You guys need to realize that just because something is hard to accomplish doesnt mean youre the best player. What Cabrera did was great and rare but its dependent on other players accomplishments. Ted Williams didnt win MVP the year he hit 400. Trout lead in 3 stats as well, does he win a Triple Crown?

[ibraheim718]

There are a lot of well respected baseball analysts that are saying it's a toss up between Trout and Cabrera. In this case the symbolic milestone will put Cabrera over the top... the stat guys with votes are definitely going to vote for Trout... it's going to be close.

[Realest]

amazing. first in 45 years. true history

[side: amazing that my first created thread is an OT about baseball]

Funny that you posted this as I was going to post it as my first post also but thought that it would get locked and receive comments like "the baseball forum is over here" or Detroit fans are over there".

I am a New York everything fan: Yankees over Mets, Giants over Jets (post Testaverde), Rangers over Islanders (even though I don't watch hockey). But as a baseball fan I couldn't help but get excited and root for Miguel Cabrera to win the Triple Crown. It's one of those things that you hear about in past legends but hope to witness. Hey it's not Like Cabrera is Michael Jordan, Reggie Miller, or Josh Beckett. Congrats to him and I hope he comes to the Yankees...ok the Mets can have him.

Shout out to RA Dickey as well who almost won the pitching Triple Crown if that even exists.

[Realest]

There are a lot of well respected baseball analysts that are saying it's a toss up between Trout and Cabrera. In this case the symbolic milestone will put Cabrera over the top... the stat guys with votes are definitely going to vote for Trout... it's going to be close.

If Trout wins over Cabrera, I will be shocked. Cabrera probably has been due for a while now and this season only explogulates it.

[Realest]

Trout lead in 3 stats as well, does he win a Triple Crown?

No, the three stats you say Trout leads in are not worthy enough to have it's own reward. It's called the Triple Crown Batting title.

[Jeff Van Gully]

trout played on a stacked team and could not make the postseason.

miguel cabrera's triple crown campaign was fully of timely hitting that won crucial games.

miguel cabrera = mvp
mike trout = fantasy mvp