Avery to run fast pace style offense with Nets

[Paradise]

The Nets are more Jay-Z now than Bruce Springsteen, but one thing they may carry with them from New Jersey to Brooklyn is the theme, Born to Run. With a lot of athletes and a deep rotation, it would make sense.

Here are some conclusions on how the Nets intend to play this season, based on the beats' tweets at the end of Wednesday morning's practice: They're going to run, they're going to run, they're going to run.

First, Avery Johnson had the team running -- a non-stop full-court scrimmage with a 12-second shot clock. Then, he said his rotation could be 9, 10 or 11 players. He can't envision going less deep than that. You need that deep of a rotation if you're going non-stop. (Last year, with 255 games lost to injury, he often only had that many players suited up!) Also, he identified C.J. Watson, Marshon Brooks, Josh Childress, Mirza Teletovic and Andray Blatche as his second unit, with Keith Bogans pushing at the wing spots. Athletes all.

Specifically, Johnson told reporters, "The problem is, Keith Bogans, he's a great defender, man. He has skill and experience that you can depend, and Deron can play some two. So do you go with a 10-man rotation, or do you go with nine? Do you go to an 11-man because you've got guys like Reggie (Evans) and my young boy 'Toko' (Tornike Shengelia). Josh Childress also wants some minutes. It's going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out. But the main thing is, whether we go with nine or 10, I don't see it being any less than nine.

And if you need any more proof running is on the agenda, everyone was "clearly gassed" at the end of practice today, as Tim Bontemps noted. There were lots of missed layups and short shots in the final full court scrimmage. Two players were limited. Andray Blatche sat out the second half of the scrimmage with back spasms, saying he hurt it guarding Brook Lopez. Tyshawn Taylor is nursing a quad strain. Johnson characterized both injuries as minor. They will be back at it Wednesday night.

So, not only Reggie Evans (the guy who averaged 15 rebounds in 25 minutes & 12 rebounds per 36 minutes) isn't in the rotation over Blatche but a halfcourt constructed team will be playing D'antoni ball.

Avery, failing already.

[624]

uhhhh....why? This team should excel in the half-court.

[deepblueday]

yeah you guys are right, i wish avery had them practicing lightly jogging up the court just so we can leave easy points on the table, gas out in games, and grind out every bucket we get.

revelation: you run and you execute in the half court. they aren't mutually exclusive.

[jerseyjac]

The Nets are more Jay-Z now than Bruce Springsteen, but one thing they may carry with them from New Jersey to Brooklyn is the theme, Born to Run. With a lot of athletes and a deep rotation, it would make sense.

Here are some conclusions on how the Nets intend to play this season, based on the beats' tweets at the end of Wednesday morning's practice: They're going to run, they're going to run, they're going to run.

First, Avery Johnson had the team running -- a non-stop full-court scrimmage with a 12-second shot clock. Then, he said his rotation could be 9, 10 or 11 players. He can't envision going less deep than that. You need that deep of a rotation if you're going non-stop. (Last year, with 255 games lost to injury, he often only had that many players suited up!) Also, he identified C.J. Watson, Marshon Brooks, Josh Childress, Mirza Teletovic and Andray Blatche as his second unit, with Keith Bogans pushing at the wing spots. Athletes all.

Specifically, Johnson told reporters, "The problem is, Keith Bogans, he's a great defender, man. He has skill and experience that you can depend, and Deron can play some two. So do you go with a 10-man rotation, or do you go with nine? Do you go to an 11-man because you've got guys like Reggie (Evans) and my young boy 'Toko' (Tornike Shengelia). Josh Childress also wants some minutes. It's going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out. But the main thing is, whether we go with nine or 10, I don't see it being any less than nine.

And if you need any more proof running is on the agenda, everyone was "clearly gassed" at the end of practice today, as Tim Bontemps noted. There were lots of missed layups and short shots in the final full court scrimmage. Two players were limited. Andray Blatche sat out the second half of the scrimmage with back spasms, saying he hurt it guarding Brook Lopez. Tyshawn Taylor is nursing a quad strain. Johnson characterized both injuries as minor. They will be back at it Wednesday night.

So, not only Reggie Evans (the guy who averaged 15 rebounds in 25 minutes & 12 rebounds per 36 minutes) isn't in the rotation over Blatche but a halfcourt constructed team will be playing D'antoni ball.

Avery, failing already.

PM me your address so I can send you a box of tissues...

This is going to be far from D'antoni ball, you assume too much...just because Avery wants an up-tempo offense with the Nets getting into their sets quickly-no delay/no walking the ball up and ultimately looking for early offense does not mean we're going to be jacking up shots with the first available 3 pointer...secondly, this team probably thinks they're in shape, but they're clearly not in the shape Avery feels is necessary to take advantage of early basketball after defending say a full possession or more from the opposition...no matter what, Avery most likely wants the Nets to look to push the ball after every defensive series (score or miss) and do this all game (and as far as preseason goes you can never be in good enough shape for that...)

Even IF Andray gets the early nod, this doesn't mean Reggie wont be used "situationaly", consistenly...(same goes for Bogans, Childress and Toko...) If we aren't rebounding the ball well, hitting the glass hard and being physical enough in the low post you know Avery is going to look to insert Evans into the lineup...

Your mentality is starting to wear on me and ain't no paradise reading it...try and think outside the box, beyond your stats and numbers...Players will be used accordingly, that is why this team was put together...When talking about a second unit I think its more than likely depending who the oppostion's 3 is, we try and go big and push Mirza to SF and play Reggie @ the 4 with Blatche at center...but maybe Josh can be a versatile productive 3 with this second unit (this all remains to be seen) ...obviously this is Avery's initial preseason perspective on the Nets roster and a lot can change between now and game 10...But what you are failing to concentrate on is that we do have a lot options we can utilize with our second unit...the Nets have a lot of looks we can potentially throw together and mix and match using our starters and bench...But most importantly, as he stated, its very possible we go with a 11 man rotation which is very encouraging coming from Avery...

[NyCeEvO]

I agree with everything dbd abd JJ said.

On top of that, here's a report from the NBA on our 2nd day of practice:

On the second day of Training Camp, Johnson liked what he saw during the morning session: Brook Lopez blocking shots, Reggie Evans fouling hard. The coach has locked in on defensive execution, and that will start with forwards Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries.

"On the defensive end, they bring a lot," said point guard Deron Williams. "Gerald can guard many positions – you saw in the scrimmage how we're going to be able to trap with both of those guys. They're both good at hitting the point guards and getting it out of their hands. We're versatile. We're going to be able to switch a lot – I can switch 1 through 4, 1 through 5 when people are playing small. That'll work to our advantage."

The overall system is easier to implement because Johnson trusts both Wallace and Humphries to guard their man 1-on-1 at one of the most potent positions in the league. Not having to double team opposing forwards is a luxury that Johnson believes will not only help their defense, but their rebounding. Improved spacing could also set the Nets quickly into their transition offense, which could develop into a mighty weapon considering the strong shooters and finishers on the roster.

via http://www.nba.com/nets/viewfromcouch/n ... ains-walls

[NyCeEvO]

I'd also add that part of the reason Miami killed teams, especially during the regular season was that after the opposition worked hard to score on a possession, the Heat would quickly outlet to someone and leak LBJ or Wade out early on defense so that they could get an easy score asap.

It absolutely kills morale when you work so hard to score and then your opponent scores in 2-3 seconds, and now you have to face the task of scoring on their tough defense again for 18-20 seconds.

One misnomer that people have is that halfcourt success will always lead to playoff success. The Heat were a team that took of advantage of fast break opportunities as often as possible, but when they couldn't get easy scores, they operated out of the half court set. This is what Avery is going for and, if it is done right, it'll be tough for many teams to beat us.

[Shark]

I for one would welcome a faster pace. There were too many times last season where the ball would just stop moving. Now part of that can be attributed to the quality of the team we put out there. But you still have a couple of the more notorious ball stoppers on the team one being a starting in Humphries and the other being a bench player in Brooks. Then you have Joe Johnson who came from a team that played ISO ball to death. But if you have a PG of Deron's quality and an improved team around him, why not play with better pace? This team is built for a faster game outside of feeding Lopez whenever his post scoring is needed.

[Paradise]

This is going to be far from D'antoni ball, you assume too much...just because Avery wants an up-tempo offense with the Nets getting into their sets quickly-no delay/no walking the ball up and ultimately looking for early offense does not mean we're going to be jacking up shots with the first available 3 pointer...secondly, this team probably thinks they're in shape, but they're clearly not in the shape Avery feels is necessary to take advantage of early basketball after defending say a full possession or more from the opposition...no matter what, Avery most likely wants the Nets to look to push the ball after every defensive series (score or miss) and do this all game (and as far as preseason goes you can never be in good enough shape for that...)

That's nice but this team isn't built for Miami Heat Basketball. This team is best used in the halfcourt, none of these guys except Joe has ever ran an uptempo system and any defense to offense style of basketball must be a REALLY good defense team and not a middle of the pack team which is where this team is expected to be.

Until I see it, I'll probably change my mind but I don't like it. I'd prefer to focus on halfcourt screens, cuts, curls, post ups, spacing and halfcourt offense that will pick apart teams. Any team can run in the fastbreak if you have an elite PG with the ball.

Even IF Andray gets the early nod, this doesn't mean Reggie wont be used "situationaly", consistenly...(same goes for Bogans, Childress and Toko...) If we aren't rebounding the ball well, hitting the glass hard and being physical enough in the low post you know Avery is going to look to insert Evans into the lineup...

You do not put a guy who averages 12 rebounds & 15 rebounds the last 2 seasons in "Situationaly" while the PF and C are bad rebounders. You simply do not.

If Blatche is your C, Evans needs to play next to him to supplement his defense/rebounding. If Tele is your PF, Evans needs to play next to him.

Your mentality is starting to wear on me and ain't no paradise reading it...try and think outside the box, beyond your stats and numbers...Players will be used accordingly, that is why this team was put together...When talking about a second unit I think its more than likely depending who the oppostion's 3 is, we try and go big and push Mirza to SF and play Reggie @ the 4 with Blatche at center...but maybe Josh can be a versatile productive 3 with this second unit (this all remains to be seen) ...obviously this is Avery's initial preseason perspective on the Nets roster and a lot can change between now and game 10...But what you are failing to concentrate on is that we do have a lot options we can utilize with our second unit...the Nets have a lot of looks we can potentially throw together and mix and match using our starters and bench...But most importantly, as he stated, its very possible we go with a 11 man rotation which is very encouraging coming from Avery...

This has NOTHING to do with stats because there are plenty who agree, It's not a good idea. Secondly, depth or rotations isn't the issue. An 11 man rotation in a 82 game season is wonderful. It takes less wear and tear off the starters but in terms of the system? Not feeling it.

Halfcourt should be this team's bread and butter because that's what wins in the playoffs. Uptempo should be used situational.

[Born_Ready]

I'm cool with Avery's concept as long as the players aren't to gas'd from stopping teams scoring on the other end.

[jerseyjac]

This is going to be far from D'antoni ball, you assume too much...just because Avery wants an up-tempo offense with the Nets getting into their sets quickly-no delay/no walking the ball up and ultimately looking for early offense does not mean we're going to be jacking up shots with the first available 3 pointer...secondly, this team probably thinks they're in shape, but they're clearly not in the shape Avery feels is necessary to take advantage of early basketball after defending say a full possession or more from the opposition...no matter what, Avery most likely wants the Nets to look to push the ball after every defensive series (score or miss) and do this all game (and as far as preseason goes you can never be in good enough shape for that...)

That's nice but this team isn't built for Miami Heat Basketball. This team is best used in the halfcourt, none of these guys except Joe has ever ran an uptempo system and any defense to offense style of basketball must be a REALLY good defense team and not a middle of the pack team which is where this team is expected to be.

Until I see it, I'll probably change my mind but I don't like it. I'd prefer to focus on halfcourt screens, cuts, curls, post ups, spacing and halfcourt offense that will pick apart teams. Any team can run in the fastbreak if you have an elite PG with the ball.

Even IF Andray gets the early nod, this doesn't mean Reggie wont be used "situationaly", consistenly...(same goes for Bogans, Childress and Toko...) If we aren't rebounding the ball well, hitting the glass hard and being physical enough in the low post you know Avery is going to look to insert Evans into the lineup...

You do not put a guy who averages 12 rebounds & 15 rebounds the last 2 seasons in "Situationaly" while the PF and C are bad rebounders. You simply do not.

If Blatche is your C, Evans needs to play next to him to supplement his defense/rebounding. If Tele is your PF, Evans needs to play next to him.

Your mentality is starting to wear on me and ain't no paradise reading it...try and think outside the box, beyond your stats and numbers...Players will be used accordingly, that is why this team was put together...When talking about a second unit I think its more than likely depending who the oppostion's 3 is, we try and go big and push Mirza to SF and play Reggie @ the 4 with Blatche at center...but maybe Josh can be a versatile productive 3 with this second unit (this all remains to be seen) ...obviously this is Avery's initial preseason perspective on the Nets roster and a lot can change between now and game 10...But what you are failing to concentrate on is that we do have a lot options we can utilize with our second unit...the Nets have a lot of looks we can potentially throw together and mix and match using our starters and bench...But most importantly, as he stated, its very possible we go with a 11 man rotation which is very encouraging coming from Avery...

This has NOTHING to do with stats because there are plenty who agree, It's not a good idea. Secondly, depth or rotations isn't the issue. An 11 man rotation in a 82 game season is wonderful. It takes less wear and tear off the starters but in terms of the system? Not feeling it.

Halfcourt should be this team's bread and butter because that's what wins in the playoffs. Uptempo should be used situational.

Of course as an example you choose a team which is the extreme of an up-tempo offense...

Think of it as getting your team into their offense sets as fast as possible...if there is a fast break opportunity and you can catch the defense sleeping you take advantage of it...if you want to run a quick play on the fly you can call it out while the ball is being pushed from the backcourt...if you want to run a set, you get into that set as quickly as possible and run that play...and obviously if you want to take advantage of the post and Brook, you get into your half court offense...I do not understand why you're thinking all or none here, I think we all would be shocked if thats the situation considering Brooks offensive talent and the speed he likes to work at when getting the ball in the low post, etc...

I really believe Avery just doesn't want us to become predictable and only run halfcourt basketball...the majority of time when teams only rely on halfcourt sets their offense can become stagnant...think maybe 50/50 as far halfcourt offense with the Nets maybe more, etc...But why not push the ball at every chance you get, this isn't a bad thing and I really feel we can get more than our share of easy baskets with this offensive mentality...

When talking about a second unit I think its more than likely depending who the oppostion's 3 is, we try and go big and push Mirza to SF and play Reggie @ the 4 with Blatche at center...but maybe Josh can be a versatile productive 3 with this second unit (this all remains to be seen)

I already stated I like Reggie at the 4 and Blatche at center...I really feel it will allow each player to utilize their strengths and play off each other...did you miss that?

Paradise overall, I respect your opinion in regards to your preference with a team's offense...I really hope your not one of those fans who have an obtuse mentality when it comes to broadening a teams' options with defensive or offensive schemes...I really hope your uncompromising stance and quite frankly headstrong views begins to fade a bit...no worries, we like strong opinions here it makes for better debates..However, we do practice acknowledging the validity of other people's opinions on this forum...and as much as you may not like what Avery is going to incorporate, you need to really think of the big picture here...

[enetric]

You do not put a guy who averages 12 rebounds & 15 rebounds the last 2 seasons in "Situationaly" while the PF and C are bad rebounders. You simply do not.

If Blatche is your C, Evans needs to play next to him to supplement his defense/rebounding. If Tele is your PF, Evans needs to play next to him.

We are going to do this all year arent we? Where you simply refuse to get that PER MINUTE STATS as the end all be all are absolute trash. That if this was a viable argument Brook Lopez a lousy rebounder would get 1.5 mil per season and Evans would get 14mil.

These low level players you make a big deal about who have one skill set..are simply role guys. That is why you massively overrate the value of the Nix incredibly mediocre over the hill gang.

Evans is a nice player to have. And like JJ explained...there will be a time when throwing in a guy like him makes sense. He is a limited player who is used in a specific situation. And that's the Nix bench as a whole. Due to cap issues they were forced to fill out half a roster with guys who are extremely limited...and best used sitatuionally. They arent deep and good...they are deeply mediocre. Nice to have an old Camby. He can be very valuable at times but no...he isnt as good as he once was. And they will have a guy like Brewer where we have a guy like Bogans. And many teams have guys like that around the league.

We will use our low level guy for specific situations only barring injury...where they may need to rely on Brewer as a core bench performer. You think that's a good thing because some BS stat on 82games.com the worst site ever told you that when he was on the floor his team gave up less points...and this means that he must have been a defensive stud? On his elite defensive SYSTEM oriented team??? THAT IS A BAD ANALYSIS!!!!

Blatche is a vastly...and I mean VASTLY better player than Evans. And on category stats in a limited role wont change that. Nor will it make up 3 inches in height at the CENTER position.

Blatche has different issues. Talent is not one of them. Evans, Bogans...A Brewer? Their problem is TALENT. And you cant TEACH talent.

I think at this stage we all assume you wont be confused with the facts and that your mind is made up. That's a shame. Because you articulate your points well. Unfortunately, you make the wrong argument far too often and many of us are seeing it now. I hope you start to re-think your card counting-esque/moneyball type of analysis. This is the ultimate stat padding sport. Tiny sample sizes of one cat at a time should never conclude overall quality of talent or the ability to play a position over full time minutes. Especially without considering actual observation of the player, his age and several other key factors.

For example, lets take the per minute numbers for Evans. You make statements like he averaged 15 and 12 rebounds or that he WOULD average that if he got the minutes. Then you are baffled at WHY he isnt getting the minutes. And this should be your first clue as to how off you are. Instead of asking why he isnt getting the minutes...try answering why with logic.

10 years in the league he has only averaged 19 minutes per game. 2 years ago he get a chance to play the most minutes per game of his career 27 per game. And despite terrible numbers in every other category of merit...yes, he showed his bread and butter. He rebounded the ball extremely well 11.5 per game. But to what result? And that is the big question.

The team he played for went 22-60 that year. He played in 30 of those games and got 18 starts. So we can conclude that he got this big time opportunity because the team was putrid. And after producing such stellar results by the player and the team...he moved onto a NEW team. A MUCH better team. Where he got ZERO starts and his 27 minutes were cut in half down to 14 per game.

Down the stretch, over the final 12 or so games his minutes were cut even lower down to about 8 minutes per game. They had Kmart to use instead. Old Man Kmart who cannot get a job for more than the minimum. That's the guy they preferred. And they should have. He is better.

Do you think they werent aware of Evan's rebounding skills? That they didnt have access to per minute stats?


So all the clues are there for you. The REALITY. That after 10 years...his role in the NBA has been defined. A low level role player who can rebound for you, bang a bit and give a hard foul. He wont bring anything else to the party. Nice guy to have. A lunch pail guy. But nothing special.

Please watch more games. See the talent of players and assess why a guy gets the minutes he does. I would suggest you also factor in player age in sports. After 31 in the NBA there is decline for almost all. Some slow, some extreme and so on each and every season after that. The truly elite of course fake it better than most.

And...please stop harping on one stat and thinking if each guy on the bench has THAT skill...that somehow all the skills are covered. If they are a collection of one skill guys all competing for same minutes you have a pile of mediocrity not a well rounded roster.

[NyCeEvO]

D-Will said his teammate [Lopez] has been unjustly underrated. "People start labeling you a certain type of player. Brook has been going strong, he has been going after every rebound in practice. I expect a big year from him."

via http://www.netsdaily.com/2012/10/4/3457 ... d-does-not

Can't wait to see Brook play!

[624]

Even though I shouldn't be, I'm still so scared about another Lopez injury.

No doubt in my mind he will beast this year and prove all of his haters wrong, if healthy....but I'm still scared some unlucky **** will happen.

[Paradise]

Of course as an example you choose a team which is the extreme of an up-tempo offense...

Think of it as getting your team into their offense sets as fast as possible...if there is a fast break opportunity and you can catch the defense sleeping you take advantage of it...if you want to run a quick play on the fly you can call it out while the ball is being pushed from the backcourt...if you want to run a set, you get into that set as quickly as possible and run that play...and obviously if you want to take advantage of the post and Brook, you get into your half court offense...I do not understand why you're thinking all or none here, I think we all would be shocked if thats the situation considering Brooks offensive talent and the speed he likes to work at when getting the ball in the low post, etc...

Like I said, I have no problem with that but Avery's vision is fast pace ball, versaliltiy and pretty much wearing out your opponent and I don't believe that works here.

I really believe Avery just doesn't want us to become predictable and only run halfcourt basketball...the majority of time when teams only rely on halfcourt sets their offense can become stagnant...think maybe 50/50 as far halfcourt offense with the Nets maybe more, etc...But why not push the ball at every chance you get, this isn't a bad thing and I really feel we can get more than our share of easy baskets with this offensive mentality...

You can't become predictable if you haven't even run any halfcourt offense with this new team yet. That would be understandable if he already established some halfcourt sets in the first pre-season games then started on this uptempo offense.

When talking about a second unit I think its more than likely depending who the oppostion's 3 is, we try and go big and push Mirza to SF and play Reggie @ the 4 with Blatche at center...but maybe Josh can be a versatile productive 3 with this second unit (this all remains to be seen)

If Mirza can play Small Forward, that changes the dynamic of our bench but considering he's having a hard time adjusting in practice, what automatically makes him a shoe in to play minutes as a backup?

I already stated I like Reggie at the 4 and Blatche at center...I really feel it will allow each player to utilize their strengths and play off each other...did you miss that?

You said using Evans situationaly, I am talking about regularly.

Paradise overall, I respect your opinion in regards to your preference with a team's offense...I really hope your not one of those fans who have an obtuse mentality when it comes to broadening a teams' options with defensive or offensive schemes...I really hope your uncompromising stance and quite frankly headstrong views begins to fade a bit...no worries, we like strong opinions here it makes for better debates..However, we do practice acknowledging the validity of other people's opinions on this forum...and as much as you may not like what Avery is going to incorporate, you need to really think of the big picture here...

1. I never disrespected anyone's opinion.

2. I said, hopefully If I see it being used and it's effectiveness, I will change my mind if it works in the long run.

3. It's not uncompromising or any less of uncompromising as other people's opinions in any other subject.

4. The bigger picture stance works both ways, It could be deadly considering Boston, Manhattan, Philly are halfcourt teams now but it could also backfire because Lopez, Humphries, Evans, Blatche are slow transition bigs. Avery is not only preaching transition offense but transition defense off of that offense. Too much high octane or quick set offense as you refer it as can result into guys not being acclimated and injuries can occur which is what's happening now although, It could simply be rust. My logic is, nobody wants to see a team not prepared for an offense that might not fit some of their personnel.

5. What exactly do I have to acknowledge? Agreeing to something, I disagree with? Hey, nobody agrees with me on this and It's perfectly cool. That's what discussions are for and at the end of the day, everyone can be wrong until proven on the court. Long as the discussion is civil, I don't see the need to agree for the sake of agreeing.

Like I said, personally I would prefer spending that energy on defense and turning that into fastbreaks lead by D-Will. We can all agree none of this matters unless Lopez is the key piece and is healthy.

[HelloBrooklyn]

Paradise your simply misinterpreted Avery's envisioning for this team. Your also not understanding how this team really works.

First things first, how in the world do you think we will play like the D'Antoni system? Our players don't have the speed and athleticism to play that fast phase. How do you think Brook will implement in that type of system? Are you really expecting him to run? What about Joe Johnson? Do you really think he will keep up against smaller guards specially that more combo guard starts nowadays. You also need to realize when Joe Johnson played with the Suns, he played the small forward role not shooting guard. I just don't understand how you thought we will be playing like the D'Antoni system from that article just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe just because you read Run N' Gun you thought it's Mike D'antoni. Just to let you know there are other teams that has that same offensive scheme like the Houston. Maybe because you read that they only have a 12-second shot clock because that's just a coaching style to force players to make quicker decisions and force the players to understand their teammates so they can all react instinctively.

Second thing, why do you think we can excel playing a very slow half-court game? What you need to realize, we are not the Lakers. Our team consist of good scorers, we don't have an elite offensive scorer. Teams that play's a very slow half-court offense need a player(s) that dominate at least one attribute of skill (e.g. shaq's post scoring, melo's midrange, etc). Our team's best offensive player is Deron who can't dominate like that which proven because of last season. If we play a half-court game we will mostly become a straight up .500 team.

What Avery envision for this team is to have a very proactive offense. Meaning they will do a little bit of everything. What this team is really trying to implement is the Kings back with the Chris Webber saga. The Nets will run, shoot, slow it down, etc. This team is made to do everything.

[jerseyjac]

Paradise your simply misinterpreted Avery's envisioning for this team. Your also not understanding how this team really works.

First things first, how in the world do you think we will play like the D'Antoni system? Our players don't have the speed and athleticism to play that fast phase. How do you think Brook will implement in that type of system? Are you really expecting him to run? What about Joe Johnson? Do you really think he will keep up against smaller guards specially that more combo guard starts nowadays. You also need to realize when Joe Johnson played with the Suns, he played the small forward role not shooting guard. I just don't understand how you thought we will be playing like the D'Antoni system from that article just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe just because you read Run N' Gun you thought it's Mike D'antoni. Just to let you know there are other teams that has that same offensive scheme like the Houston. Maybe because you read that they only have a 12-second shot clock because that's just a coaching style to force players to make quicker decisions and force the players to understand their teammates so they can all react instinctively.

Second thing, why do you think we can excel playing a very slow half-court game? What you need to realize, we are not the Lakers. Our team consist of good scorers, we don't have an elite offensive scorer. Teams that play's a very slow half-court offense need a player(s) that dominate at least one attribute of skill (e.g. shaq's post scoring, melo's midrange, etc). Our team's best offensive player is Deron who can't dominate like that which proven because of last season. If we play a half-court game we will mostly become a straight up .500 team.

What Avery envision for this team is to have a very proactive offense. Meaning they will do a little bit of everything. What this team is really trying to implement is the Kings back with the Chris Webber saga. The Nets will run, shoot, slow it down, etc. This team is made to do everything.

And most of what I said...

It starts and ends with comprehension, but its all good...there are a lot of fans that get it...get what I'm saying, get what Avery's doing and most of all how this forum works...remember, if you are looking to be part of a community, sometimes you have to take a step back to get what I'm saying in reference to coming in here and being a new fan here...maybe you just don't get that now, but I hope you can figure out a way to do so...

And btw, I never stated you disrespected anything, where did I say that??? (read what I said again, see this is where you worry me)

However, once again, you are just not digesting everything I said...you are taking things out of context and choosing to comment on only certain parts rather than the whole concept...go back and read what I said in regards to how our offense would work, maybe you are reading too fast...specifically where I say 50/50 maybe more...

If you need anymore help feel free to PM me...no hard feelings...

[PetroNet]

I don't see how wanting to push the ball and get up the court somehow makes us a D'antoni SSOL offense. That offense is more about taking the first good available shot you get, and thus getting more possesion then it is getting up and down the court and a super fast/fast breaking pace.

If you have the athletes and ball handlers to run, you should run. and i think we do.

That said, i also dont see how anyone could envision us as a poor or even average halfcourt offense. we have one of the 3 best post scoring bigs in the league, one of the 3 best scoring points in the league, and a top 5 shooting gaurd. plus whatever we can get out of teletovic and brooks. i think we will have one of the best half court offense in the league. just too much firepower in all areas.

[HelloBrooklyn]

I don't see how wanting to push the ball and get up the court somehow makes us a D'antoni SSOL offense. That offense is more about taking the first good available shot you get, and thus getting more possesion then it is getting up and down the court and a super fast/fast breaking pace.

If you have the athletes and ball handlers to run, you should run. and i think we do.

That said, i also dont see how anyone could envision us as a poor or even average halfcourt offense. we have one of the 3 best post scoring bigs in the league, one of the 3 best scoring points in the league, and a top 5 shooting gaurd. plus whatever we can get out of teletovic and brooks. i think we will have one of the best half court offense in the league. just too much firepower in all areas.

D'antoni system is really not all about running. It's about playing aggressive defensively in the early game. Once they keep a lead they are comfortable with they push tempo of the game to the max. So every time the opposing team score they can get an easy basket off of it. Opposing teams tend to get paranoid not catching up so they tend to push the tempo as well where they play on D'antoni's strength where they conclude on getting the win. That's the real D'antoni system. The reason why it doesn't work in the playoff's because players focuses not to make a mistake which slows down the game by a lot. D'antoni system only works well if they stick with the gameplan.

As for our halfcourt offense. we do have a lot of weapons but it's not like any of those weapons excel as being a top tier in one attribute. As for Brook yes he is one most skilled post scorers in the league but it's not like you can keep feeding him in the post and expect him score everytime. The reason why Brook is so good because he has a lot of skills where you can utilize those skills into many different situations. You can't look at him as a Dwight Howard you gotta look at him more as a Pau Gasol.

Deron Williams doesn't excel on only scoring. He doesn't have the speed Westbrook has nor he has the athleticism of Derrick Rose. You can't just pass opposing defenders with a crossover or just a stutter (What Rose does). He is a top 3 talent because he works well in many different scenarios.

It's the same reason with Joe Johnson.

What you need to realize even though we have this much talent it doesn't mean we can do whatever we want to do. Our team is built on skills. We don't have the super powers of Lebron, Derrick Rose, Dwight, etc. Our team can excel on doing everything great. i.e. scoring, running, post scoring, shooting, etc.) That's the weapon Brooklyn has.

If we play a half-court offense we will look exactly like the Celtics offensively. Yet, we are going to lack the defensive intensity they have.

[PetroNet]

As for our halfcourt offense. we do have a lot of weapons but it's not like any of those weapons excel as being a top tier in one attribute. As for Brook yes he is one most skilled post scorers in the league but it's not like you can keep feeding him in the post and expect him score everytime. The reason why Brook is so good because he has a lot of skills where you can utilize those skills into many different situations. You can't look at him as a Dwight Howard you gotta look at him more as a Pau Gasol.

i disagree. i think you can absolute dump it to lopez down low all day in the post. specifically now that the team can make you pay more often if you choose to double team him. there arent many guys, if any, who are going to shut lopez down offensively one on one on the block. sure he can do alot of other things. but the point was, in the half court, we can dominate people because we have 3 guys who can dominate their defenders 1 on 1. and with our lineup, we will be able to get those 1 on 1 matchups.

i dont think we will run as much as were going to want to, because running requires constant stops. and im not sure we are going to be able to do that consistently for 48 minutes over 82 games.

i dont see us as the celtics offensively in the half court. that team is all shooters and rondo's limitations in the half court allow teams to sag and help off him. you clearly can not help off deron with taking a major risk. we have plenty of jump shooters, but williams and johnson can get to the rim, and lopez and johnson can score in the post. i think we will likely have a top 5 half court offense both in volume and efficency

[enetric]

I think Pau is a vastly more skilled offensive big man than Dwight is anyway. No matter how enamored with Dwight people are, his short coming shouldnt be ignored. Most great big men create easy looks for everyone else because they command so much attention. Orlando had to run a system that was the opposite. Instead of Dwight making it easier for everyone else on the perimeter, they needed to spread the floor as much as possible to keep second defenders off Dwight. The more you make Dwight create, the more he has to put the ball on the floor the more ridiculous his TO's become. Pau like a Bosh has become underrated because of the system he plays in. Not saying that Pau is better than Dwight. Just saying...that he has more ways to beat you offensively and he will create more opportunities for his teammates. Dwight is a defensive machine. He is a superb athlete who can give you offense off put backs and even transition. But he is miles away from being an elite low post go to option.

As for this who up tempo thing?

Hearing my coach say he wants us to run more at the start of camp? LOVE IT.

Why? Because NBA players always say they want to run. No better time to try it....than the preseason when you are trying to whip your guys into game shape. Work their asses off. Lets see what we have. More on that in a sec...

Brook Lopez:
I think for me I have a reset button approach to him this season. The last two years were a disaster for him. Non Nets fans underrate him....but its possible we overrate him. This is the year we find out what we really have. No excuses. He is going to play with a complete roster of talent for the first time in his career. Can he assert himself? Will having so many weapons around him make it easier and take him to the next level? What can he do against honest defense forced to cover all the other guys around him? Will he prove that he can be a dominant low post force?

Now... if Brook can be that type of player we wont be a full time run and gun team. I dont care what Avery says right now. He will be forced to adapt to our strengths as they present themselves. Its about reality vs. the "idea" of who we think our players are. Just give these guys some time. Let see where we are 4-6 weeks into the season.

But right now? I say make them bust their asses because you can always slow it down. Harder to suddenly find the legs to start pushing it every night.