Preliminary Discussions on DJ being the MIP

Quake Griffin · Post #1 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Oct 7, 2012 4:19 am

guy looks like a new man out there.

A RIGHT HAND HOOK?
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?

Post #2 » by **og15** » Sun Oct 7, 2012 5:10 am

Not sure he'll have enough of a stats improvement to get MIP, and its one pre-season game so far, so lets not get overly excited. I do like the improvements we've seen from him, but defense and communicating will be his biggest improvements, which won't get you MIP.

Quake Griffin · Post #3 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Oct 7, 2012 5:17 am

if you'll allow me to be in dream world for ONE POST.

what if his numbers go to like...13-10...60-65% ft along with some sick defense from the 5 position.

no MIP?

Post #4 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Sun Oct 7, 2012 5:36 am

Bledsoe showed more to me that he could be MIP and not Jordan. This is a good problem to have with both players being on out team

Post #5 » by **mkwest** » Sun Oct 7, 2012 5:48 am

Settle down Quake Griffin :lol:

He did look much more confident in his abilities. You don't really want to take a lot from a preseason game, but it's still encourage to see what he can be capable of. Once the regular season starts, it's all about being consistent. There are a lot of players that will be looking to get shots and he probably won't be fed nearly as much. If he could manage to put up those type of numbers along with good defense, then he'd certainly be in the conversation. Overall, I think it would still be a long shot, because someone else out there is going to get more opportunities to showcase themselves.

Quake Griffin · Post #6 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sun Oct 7, 2012 5:54 am

thanumba2clippersfan wrote:Bledsoe showed more to me that he could be MIP and not Jordan. This is a good problem to have with both players being on out team

my buddy brought this to my attention as i was bringing up DJ.

but i thought that people saw how much of an animal bled was in the playoffs and they wouldn't consider him this year.
plus hes gonna be the 6th man of the year.

but any who.
good problem to have.

Post #7 » by **og15** » Sun Oct 7, 2012 6:00 am

It's a numbers game, so Bled wont get the minutes unless an injury happens. DJ probably won't get the touches or minutes to win in based on numbers. There will be some guy like Klay Thompson who doesn't necessarily improve much, but plays more and wins it.

He averaged 12.5/2.4/2.0, but is a starter now and had 18.5/3.6/3.0 per 36. If he now plays starters minutes, it will be considered an "improvement" for him to put up hs per 36 numbers from last season.

Don Tommy · Post #8 » by **Don Tommy** » Sun Oct 7, 2012 9:32 am

I am trying to not get sucked into the preseason hype... but I am telling you, DJ looked so comfortable with the ball in the post. I always thought of him as a Defensive guy first, second and third, a dunker fourth, back to defense... and then an offense player. But it was different. We all wanted DJ to spend time with Hakeem this past offseason, but I can tell he didn't spend it on the couch playing NBA 2K12, like me! He was working on his post moves, and I cannot wait to see if the improvements can last the entire season!

azncorruptedo17 · Post #9 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:10 am

I think DJ would probably have a better case to make MIP than eb..

Maybe it's because i'm one of the few that thought EB was always this good, but just didn't have the opportunity to really showcase it? [last season was injuries]

Post #10 » by **og15** » Mon Oct 8, 2012 6:50 am

Bledsoe played a lot as a rookie, he was not this good, and last season looks a lot better because of the playoffs, but we had our complaints about too many turnovers, poor FG% and inability to hit outside shots last season. He was also foul prone last season, so if we are saying producing at the level on a consistent basis, I don't agree that he was this good. But one game in pre-season isn't a consistent basis either, so we really don't know how good he is yet, and he did still have 5 turnovers, so while it's excusable due to pre-season, it's also something to monitor.

Quake Griffin · Post #11 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:59 pm

btw OG

i disagree on bled's minutes.
he's good enough to where Del Negro can't just sit him because of cp3.
del negro has to find minutes for this guy.

Post #12 » by **og15** » Mon Oct 8, 2012 7:27 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:btw OG

i disagree on bled's minutes.
he's good enough to where Del Negro can't just sit him because of cp3.
del negro has to find minutes for this guy.

He's not better than Paul, not even at his level. Bledsoe's minutes won't come at the expense of Paul, it's always a difficult situation when you have young budding talent and good vets, but the solution is never reducing your superstar/best players minutes. Bled will get minutes while Chauncey is out though.

CP's career low is 36.0 MPG as a rookie and the year coming back from his knee injury. I'm already saying lets assume he plays a career low 34 MPG, there are no significant minutes at PG for EB. It will have to come at SG, and that's just as difficult. Based on Paul's career, there's 12MPG available at PG. You can give Bledsoe 8 MPG at SG, but when Billups is back, you would have only 40 minutes to divide between him and Crawford. You going to play them 20 MPG?

Billups is coming off injury, so low minutes makes sense, but his career low in the last 10 years was 30.4 MPG last season. Crawford's low in the last 9 seasons was 26.9 MPG last season.

azncorruptedo17 · Post #13 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Tue Oct 9, 2012 2:54 pm

og, don't think anyone is saying eb is better than paul... but i'm pretty sure a lot agree that he's too good to not have in the court.

i think our best bet is that eb improves his spot up shooting, he was a 60-65% spot up shooter from the 3 in college so he's capable, so we have a much more athletic/defensive back court that would be a similar version of the cp3/billups combo. eb is our 2nd best backcourt defender only behind cp3, and i really don't think he's far off from being better than cp3 neither.

but like thanumba2clippersfan said, this is a good problem to have.

Quake Griffin · Post #14 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Oct 9, 2012 4:45 pm

del negro must find minutes for him.

hook or crook.
i get that it will be difficult...but u can't hold a talent like this back because of ppl on ur roster.

chauncey or another bench guy should be the odd man out b4 bled is.
sorry.

Post #15 » by **og15** » Tue Oct 9, 2012 8:23 pm

Azn, I'm just replying to Quake saying he can't be sat because of Paul. On the contrary, he can, will, and should. Bledsoe's minutes will not come at the expense of Paul, they will be found somewhere else. Also, I'm aware of his ability to shoot a set shot in college, which is why I have hope for him as a spot up shooter.

Chauncey is on his last legs and has a one year contract, so they will be diplomatic. Bledsoe is the future, but unless he vastly outplays Chauncey, he won't usurp his minutes this season. When everyone is back and healthy, Bledsoe will get minutes here and there, but he won't consistently get high minutes after February (with the assumption that this will be when Billups is at a higher level of play), unless Chauncey is unproductive. Chauncey is still a 38%+ 3PT shooter who can get to the line and knock them down, he's super valuable to the offense if producing.

We all get that Bledsoe needs minutes, but unless we have a realistic scenario, we can't just put out numbers and say "Bledsoe must play x amount of minutes".

There's 96 minutes at PG and SG, and when everyone is healthy, might as well give Green 0 MPG, so Bledsoe isn't being benched because of some bench guy. It's going to be Crawford and Billups that he's battling for SG minutes with, both who are currently much more productive players on offense, again, until otherwise proven.

Paul is playing 36 MPG most likely, because he's pretty good, but lets say he plays 34 MPG in the season, just because (saving him for playoffs or something). Bledsoe at the least has 12-14 MPG behind Paul. Now, you have 48 MPG left. Crawford is going to get at least 24 MPG. So Billups either plays the other 24, or you play Billups only 16-18 MPG after he's fully healthy to get Bledsoe 20 MPG. Billups and Crawford are high 80-90% FT shooters and above average to good 3PT shooters, so in the 4th quarter and to end games, who will be on the floor most of the time, Bledsoe, or one of them?

It's hard to imagine any coach, unless the production is drastically different, giving the 37 year old, more proven, more experienced guy who is productive less minutes than the young guy. At this stage, until proven otherwise, Chauncey is vastly superior on offense. Lucky for Bledsoe, he has a window of opportunity, and it's up to Bledsoe in the next two months or so to prove he can be at least at a somewhat close level.

To start the season, even if Green starts he won't play much. We might see a split like:
Paul (36) / Bledsoe (12)
Green (13) / Crawford (27) / Bledsoe (8)

scoobs07 · Post #16 » by **scoobs07** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:41 pm

Possible minutes break down:

PF-Griffin (36) Odom (6) Barnes (6)
SF-Butler (18) Hill (12) Barnes (6) Crawford (12)
C-Jordan (30) Odom (18)
PG-Paul (36) Bledsoe (12)
SG-Billups (20) Crawford (14) Bledsoe (14)

Crawford and Bledsoe get 26 mpg since they are dynamic impact players for this team. While Billups is out, Green probably gets 12mpg and Crawford and Bledsoes minutes increase to 30mpg each.

Post #17 » by **og15** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:40 pm

I think Butler will get more than 18 MPG. I'd say about 24 for Butler, Odom stays at 18 because of his conditioning, and we see more of Barnes at PF in small ball lineups.

Might see Crawford and Bledsoe come down to about 24 minutes when Billups is at full force, and he gets the extra 4 mpg.

Quake Griffin · Post #18 » by **Quake Griffin** » Fri Nov 9, 2012 5:53 pm

seeing these last 2 games.

this is possible.
not saying it's going to happen....but it's possible in way i didn't even think it could be when i made this thread.

Post #19 » by **og15** » Fri Nov 9, 2012 7:00 pm

If he plays more, it is, especially since Odom isn't demanding any minutes at the big man spots.

Post #20 » by **mkwest** » Fri Nov 9, 2012 7:23 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:seeing these last 2 games.

this is possible.
not saying it's going to happen....but it's possible in way i didn't even think it could be when i made this thread.

I was excited watching him in preseason, but it would come down to consistency. Doing it against Hickson is OK, but doing it against Duncan and the Spurs is something to hang your hat on imo. He's actually averaging double digits in scoring. He is a few rebounds shy, but if you look at his per36 minutes, then he has some great averages. His confidence is building and that's great for this team moving forward. He's going to get a lot of attention from the media due to how limited he was in the past. If you listed to the Inside the NBA crew last night, they had nothing but praises for him. If he puts up solid numbers, then he has a great shot. The main obstacle right now is James Harden who has an unlimited amount of leeway to puff up his numbers.