Do the Mavs make the playoffs ?

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Mavs will be a playoff team this season

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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#41 » by Archerbro » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:13 am

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Nah, I'd rather have Randolph than Love and keeping Love would have meant no signing Randolph and not being the team we are now which is better than most.


Are you serious that you'd rather have Randolph than Love? Even if we streeeeeetch it and say Randolph is currently better than Love (Which hes not) the fact is that Love is 23 and Randolph is 30. You'll have a much longer competitive team with Love than Randolph


not when he's leaving for the lakers in a couple years (half green font?)
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#42 » by commadoor 64 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:27 am

bertrob wrote:
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Nah, I'd rather have Randolph than Love and keeping Love would have meant no signing Randolph and not being the team we are now which is better than most.


Are you serious that you'd rather have Randolph than Love? Even if we streeeeeetch it and say Randolph is currently better than Love (Which hes not) the fact is that Love is 23 and Randolph is 30. You'll have a much longer competitive team with Love than Randolph


Dead serious.

Randolph is better than Love because he gets his next to one of the top centers in the league. He's definitely better for our team.
As far as a competitive team is concerned the one that Randolph is on has by far been more competitive than the one Love is on and it's because Randolph is a veteran with experience that has proven to be the difference. Without Randolph, Rudy Gay would be looked at to lead this team and quite frankly Rudy Gay isn't a leader, he's a scorer.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#43 » by twomangame » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:33 am

NJ_YANKEE_45 wrote:
TwentyOne920 wrote:The 2011 team was a team built effectively around Dirk and also got lucky with playoff matchups (but what champion hasn't?). The 2013 team looks like a mess. The backcourt isn't known for being accurate shooting beyond the arc, and Kaman is suspect defensively while Brand has lost a step in that regard.

They'll have a .500 record easily barring injuries, but they could end up losing a playoff spot to Utah or Golden State.


What?


lol. exactly my reaction when I read that part.

Anyway, it's going to be a tough year for the Mavs. Dirk is dealing with his right knee currently. Mavs without a healthy Dirk will miss or barely make the playoffs.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#44 » by commadoor 64 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:41 am

Also.

Regarding veteran leadership, it was two fold with Zbo as one part of it and Tony Allen was the other part.

Replacing them with Love and keeping Mike Miller instead of going for Allen and OJ well, that team just sucks.

It also helped that we brought in Battier the year before last as another veteran presence.

Youth is overrated in the NBA, just look at the teams that win and more often than not it'll be teams led by more experienced vets rather than a team full of young dudes.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#45 » by Woodsanity » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:15 am

commadoor 64 wrote:
bertrob wrote:
commadoor 64 wrote:
Nah, I'd rather have Randolph than Love and keeping Love would have meant no signing Randolph and not being the team we are now which is better than most.


Are you serious that you'd rather have Randolph than Love? Even if we streeeeeetch it and say Randolph is currently better than Love (Which hes not) the fact is that Love is 23 and Randolph is 30. You'll have a much longer competitive team with Love than Randolph


Dead serious.

Randolph is better than Love because he gets his next to one of the top centers in the league. He's definitely better for our team.
As far as a competitive team is concerned the one that Randolph is on has by far been more competitive than the one Love is on and it's because Randolph is a veteran with experience that has proven to be the difference. Without Randolph, Rudy Gay would be looked at to lead this team and quite frankly Rudy Gay isn't a leader, he's a scorer.

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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#46 » by cs hauser » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:18 am

People are overreacting to the possibility of surgery for Dirk.

If it happens, it's just routine arthroscopic knee surgery. He would be out about 5 weeks. If he decides to undergo the surgery next week, he'll probably miss just the first dozen games of regular season.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#47 » by Nate505 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:21 am

I'm leaning no, but it would hardly be a shock if they did. I can see the 6th - 10th seeds being decided by 3 games or so.
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Post#48 » by lilojmayo » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:40 am

commadoor 64 wrote:They've put a lot of stock into OJ Mayo this year, stepping up into a starters role.


That is a mistake.

There's a reason the Grizz let him walk for nothing. Don't get me wrong, I like OJ as a player he's just not a starter on a contending team. He'll have his nights but he too inconsistent and he can't play the point which makes him an SG tweener.


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That's an understatement. The lack of talent on the roster, its either Juice Mayo puts up all star cailber numbers just for the Mavs to get In the playoffs, or its lottery bound. The team lacks talent. But at the end of the day all you need is two studs ( Dirk+Mayo) to make things happen.

Apparently the Mavs coach tickered with Juice's shot form. And he is still trying to adjust to it. He has been strugglign with the new form even at practice from what I've been reading. Let's wait to the regular season until we pass judgment on Juice Mayo. The tools are there for him to get his shine in.....finally

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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#49 » by Mamba Venom » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:09 am

MVP Dirk and the former all-stars Marion, Kaman, Brand, Carter will get the Mavs to the play-offs.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#50 » by HotrodBeaubois » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:20 am

Foye wrote:Honestly?

I think they miss they playoffs.

Kaman is a terrible fit next to Nowitzki, IMO. Them playing together didn't really work out all that great on the German national team either because they're both horrible defenders.

Collison should be able to compensate the loss of Jason Kidd (who was terrible last year).
But unless OJ Mayo magically turns his career around losing Terry will hurt them a lot.
The addition of Elton Brand is ok and will allow them to give Dirk some much needed rest but overall the roster is not competitive enough to reach the playoffs. 35 wins max.

The only advantage they have on other teams is that they're experienced.

35 wins????
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#51 » by dballislife » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:22 am

playoffs are not that team is done and everyone should know that, its time to rebuild they literally have no young core players that have star potential
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#52 » by This IsMy House » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:26 am

I think so, they dont have much youth and it seems to be just random pieces all thrown together in a rush since Cuban's plans didnt work out this off-season. If Dirk is missing a substantial amount of time than 100% they wont.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#53 » by Zedders » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:34 am

They've got Dirk, that's enough to get you into the playoffs.

Mavs being underestimated here.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#54 » by D Nice » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:38 am

Dirk is still a Mav, so barring a serious injury to Nowitski they'll be there. Probably a 7th or 8th seed, but they'll be there. Time for OJ Mayo to become a star. No more excuses. He's the unbridled #2 and has a perfect counterpart. If he becomes the 20/5/5 player he's fully capable of being and Kaman/Brand are healthy enough to play 65-70 games each then Dallas should be more than fine. Terry was awesome in the championship run, but for a Megastar like Dirk, Terry has got to be one of the most hot/cold hit-or-miss #2s in recent memory.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#55 » by HotrodBeaubois » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:11 am

Trader_Joe wrote:With the talk of Dirk contemplating knee surgery it doesn't look good.

Also, Dirk the past two season has posted consecutive lows in PPG and RPG, or his lowest since his 2nd year in the league (1999-2000), so I didn't expect a dominant regular season from him anyways. This news lowers that expectation further.

With the West as deep as it is, I'm leaning towards no right now.


Dirk started the year out with knee issues .He played 16 games before taking 4 games off to strenghthen the knee then came back and played 2 more games in January.

December-January
18 Games-31.2 MPG-16.7 PPG-5.8 RPG-.448 FG% .200 3P% .906 FT% -4.2 FTA Per Game

February-April
44 Games-34.5 MPG -23.7 PPG-7.2 RPG-.460 FG%-.407 3P%-.893 FT%-6.4 FTA Per Game

23.7 PPG in 34.5 MPG would have made 4th in the league in scoring per 48 Minutes behind Durant, Bryant and James . This would have also made him the #1 Highest scoring Power Forward Per 48 Minutes.

Also to put it more into perspective look at the previous years stats.

Mavs Championship Year
73 Games-34.3 MPG-23.0 PPG-7.0 RPG-.517 FG% .393 3P% .892 FT%-6.1 FTA Per Game

February-April Last year
44 Games-34.5 MPG -23.7 PPG-7.2 RPG-.460 FG%-.407 3P%-.893 FT%-6.4 FTA Per Game

The only thing Dirk did better the Championship year was have a better shooting percentage which im sure it helped having a better team around him ( Chandler,Barea,Stevenson, Peja and even Butler for the 1st 29 Games -Dirk before Butler injury 29 Games 24.1 PPG after Butler injury 44 Games 22.3 PPG so as you can see Dirk actually did better the last 44 games last year then he did the Championship year ) allowing him more freedom and taking better shots . As opposed to last year where the quality of the team was less and he had to take more contested shots lowering his FG%.

2009/2010-32.0 Pts 9.8 Rebs Per 48 Min
2010/2011-32.2 Pts 9.8 Rebs Per 48 Min
2011/2012-31.0 Pts 9.7 Rebs Per 48 Min
2011/2012-32.9 Pts 10.0 Rebs Per 48 Min ( February-April)

Dirk played 37.5 MPG in 2009/2010 and 33.5 MPG in 2011/2012 . I wouldnt say Dirk is declining because he played 4 MPG less but still had the same production.

I expect Dirk to Strenghthen the Knee like he did last year and play fine . If he opts for surgery its suppose to be minor and have him out 5-6 weeks so not like hes gonna miss very much of the regular season . I think Dirk will be fine this year in fact i think he will have a very good year considering the help in the front court with Kaman and Brand . Teams are gonna have a much harder time doubling Dirk while leaving Kaman or brand with a open shot.

As for the team it will take some time for them to gel . But this team is alot better than last years team .

Collison will produce alot more than Kidd and we will atleast have a scoring threat from our Point Guard

Mayo even if he doesnt become a star as a starter his numbers arent that far from Terrys and he's a better defender.

Marion is Marion and will still get his points without running plays for him and be a Top Defender in the league . He will actually have to work less this year on defense since he will only need to guard the Small Forwards instead of Point Guards/Shooting Guards like last year.

Dirk like i said above will be fine and have a very good year . And this year he can go out of a game and have a quality player in Brand replacing him ( anything is better than Odumb)

Kaman is light years ahead of Deadwood and will benefit from all the attention the defense gives Dirk . And Brand is alot better backup compared to Mahinmi.

This team will be a 4-6 seed and make past the 1st round after that we will see what happens.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#56 » by SCourGe OF GoD » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:16 am

They need to start that guy Dominque Jones...dude gets to the hole everytime down.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#57 » by HotrodBeaubois » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:38 am

GhostX wrote:They need to start that guy Dominque Jones...dude gets to the hole everytime down.

How about we waive Dojo so the Lakers can sign him .. Dominique Jones Sucks!!!
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#58 » by Ice Trae » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:48 am

I can see them getting the 8th or 7th seed. Their interior defense is concerning though
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#59 » by EntropyPR » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:13 am

This IsMy House wrote:I think so, they dont have much youth and it seems to be just random pieces all thrown together in a rush since Cuban's plans didnt work out this off-season. If Dirk is missing a substantial amount of time than 100% they wont.


Dont have Much youth??

Collison
Mayo
DoJo
Jones
Cunningham
James
Crowder
Delonte West
Roddy
Wright

Thats 10 compared to these 5 old guys

Dirk
Kaman
Marion
Brand
Carter

and Kaman is only 30.

Yeah barely any youth.
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Re: Do the Mavs make the playoffs ? 

Post#60 » by EntropyPR » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:16 am

TwentyOne920 wrote:The 2011 team was a team built effectively around Dirk and also got lucky with playoff matchups (but what champion hasn't?). The 2013 team looks like a mess. The backcourt isn't known for being accurate shooting beyond the arc, and Kaman is suspect defensively while Brand has lost a step in that regard.

They'll have a .500 record easily barring injuries, but they could end up losing a playoff spot to Utah or Golden State.



WHAT? A beasting Portland with LMA, and Brandon Roy (having a hell of a game. A Portland team ALL experts said would win the series. Followed by the defending Champ Lakers, coached by the best basketball coach in history, then going to face OKC who were just starting to hit their stride and then followed by Miami.. yeah lucky matchups.

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