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Post#241 » by ibraheim718 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:57 pm

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Do you think it's true, though? I don't. Machado is a nice player and clearly has talent...however, I don't think he can run an offense right now. Lamb? He's good in the pick and roll, but he can't really run the offense from the off-guard position. Parsons is a solid all around player, but he can't run an offense.

McHale should be tayloring the offense to fit Lin's strengths -- spacing the court, keeping the middle open, and having Lin attack off the dribble in the pick and roll.


Once the games count that is exactly what is going to be happening... just like it happened in the 3rd quarter of the Hornets game. It makes no sense to empty the tank right now... as a coach you should have specific objectives you want the team to meet in the preseason. And doing what you ALREADY know you want to do isn't one of them.
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Post#242 » by ibraheim718 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:59 pm

greenhughes wrote:I don't. If Lin is as good as people on here said he was he should find a way to score. No matter how the offense is ran.


Scoring shouldn't be the first thing on his mind... running the team should.. getting a feel for his teammates.. those are the only things he should be worrying about right now... he's got nothing to prove in the preseason.
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Post#243 » by red32 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:00 pm

They are probably just trying different combination/positions and see what works what doesn't. But for sure, Lin was bad.
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Post#244 » by 21shumpshumpst » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:00 pm

Well Lin is underwhelming against good competition.

Maybe he changes this in the real season but right now glad we didn't pay him all that money.

When thinking of him the words overrated and role player come to mind.
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Post#245 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:01 pm

Real talk......

The guys praising every single minute of Lin being on the court is just as annoying as the I told u so crew.

It's preseason. Lin is ok.

He ain't balling like no tomorrow and he isn't stinking the joint up.

He's playing well within s team structure.

Both sides need to step back and get off the youngman's nuts.

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Post#246 » by ibraheim718 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:02 pm

red32 wrote:They are probably just trying different combination/positions and see what works what doesn't. But for sure, Lin was bad.


The whole team minus Asik and some of the end of the bench guys looked bad. But for me what I saw was a physically drained team... it looks like Mchale is running them hard in practice in preparation for the regular season. I wouldn't be shocked if Lin and Parson sit next game and Douglas and White are made active.
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Post#247 » by j4remi » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:03 pm

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Do you think it's true, though? I don't. Machado is a nice player and clearly has talent...however, I don't think he can run an offense right now. Lamb? He's good in the pick and roll, but he can't really run the offense from the off-guard position. Parsons is a solid all around player, but he can't run an offense.

McHale should be tayloring the offense to fit Lin's strengths -- spacing the court, keeping the middle open, and having Lin attack off the dribble in the pick and roll.


Once the games count that is exactly what is going to be happening... just like it happened in the 3rd quarter of the Hornets game. It makes no sense to empty the tank right now... as a coach you should have specific objectives you want the team to meet in the preseason. And doing what you ALREADY know you want to do isn't one of them.


Running the PnR isn't going to break Lin down as long as he doesn't play D'antoni minutes and it's really important to figure out the timing on that play (remember Felton looking awful his first two weeks here before he figured Amare's timing out?). What I saw today, was a team that took the ball out of Lin's hands nearly all game long...and even if they're not showing their entire hand, it seems odd that they spent so much time not giving Lin anything but spot ups. McHale has to establish him as a floor general, I saw Carlos friggin' Delfino shake him off and run a two man game with Asik a couple of times in the second quarter.

I'm also not a fan of McHale at all though, tbh.
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Post#248 » by rockmanslim » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:04 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Real talk......

The guys praising every single minute of Lin being on the court is just as annoying as the I told u so crew.

It's preseason. Lin is ok.

He ain't balling like no tomorrow and he isn't stinking the joint up.

He's playing well within s team structure.

Both sides need to step back and get off the youngman's nuts.

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did you actually watch the game? he was invisible at best, liability on both ends at worst. and i was a huge fan of linsanity last season. he looked like a d-leaguer today.
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Post#249 » by yaboynyp » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:04 pm

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Knicker23 wrote:Wonder if the Warriors are going to be respectable this year. Lee and Bogut is a nice duo, but still doesn't seem like a team going anywhere.


Respectable meaning…..? Playoffs?


I would consider playoffs the barometer for respectable and I say they can do it if they actually stay healthy...with Bogut and Curry though, that's a big question mark. Still, they have a LOT of potential between Curry and Thompson...add Bogut and Lee who will produce for sure and that team can sneak in.


That’s the thing though there best players are injury prone and poor defenders sans Bogut… Curry, Lee, and Klay Thompson are all below average defensively. Biedrens and Bogut will help erase some mistakes but with all the talented teams in the west I don’t see it..
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Post#250 » by Greenie » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:05 pm

rockmanslim wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Real talk......

The guys praising every single minute of Lin being on the court is just as annoying as the I told u so crew.

It's preseason. Lin is ok.

He ain't balling like no tomorrow and he isn't stinking the joint up.

He's playing well within s team structure.

Both sides need to step back and get off the youngman's nuts.

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did you actually watch the game? he was invisible at best, liability on both ends at worst. and i was a huge fan of linsanity last season. he looked like a d-leaguer today.

It's still just pre-season.
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Post#251 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:06 pm

Remi, would you agree since it's preseason, they want to everything Lin has in his arsenal?

Honestly I see nothing wrong with what they are doing.

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Post#252 » by j4remi » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:06 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Real talk......

The guys praising every single minute of Lin being on the court is just as annoying as the I told u so crew.

It's preseason. Lin is ok.

He ain't balling like no tomorrow and he isn't stinking the joint up.

He's playing well within s team structure.

Both sides need to step back and get off the youngman's nuts.

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He stunk it up today...and I'm pulling for the kid (I wouldn't consider myself a major Lin supporter but I'd like to see him succeed). He looked completely out of sync most of the time and he only had a positive impact when he actually got to run a couple of pick and rolls with Asik.
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Post#253 » by Quick Kick » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:07 pm

These Lin fans were talking CASH SH*T about the Knicks all summer. Putting down Melo. Making Lin out to be a future 19x All Star and future HOF'er. Everything that went wrong was Melos fault. Lin was a good, celebant Christian with the voice of an angel. Now hes being exposed and theyre nowhere to be found. Are you surprised Knick fans are reveling in his early failures? Imagine if this kid was putting up big numbers. This board would be unreadable.
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Post#254 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:08 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Do you think it's true, though? I don't. Machado is a nice player and clearly has talent...however, I don't think he can run an offense right now. Lamb? He's good in the pick and roll, but he can't really run the offense from the off-guard position. Parsons is a solid all around player, but he can't run an offense.

McHale should be tayloring the offense to fit Lin's strengths -- spacing the court, keeping the middle open, and having Lin attack off the dribble in the pick and roll.


Once the games count that is exactly what is going to be happening... just like it happened in the 3rd quarter of the Hornets game. It makes no sense to empty the tank right now... as a coach you should have specific objectives you want the team to meet in the preseason. And doing what you ALREADY know you want to do isn't one of them.


So you're saying he's trying to see what works and doesn't work now -- wants to see what will be at his disposal during the regular season? That makes sense.

I still think it would be beneficial to be trying to work on the things that will be a staple of the offense now, rather than only using practices and then learning on the fly during the regular season. Building chemistry is important (especially when running the pick and roll), and now is the perfect time to work on it.
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Post#255 » by red32 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:08 pm

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red32 wrote:They are probably just trying different combination/positions and see what works what doesn't. But for sure, Lin was bad.


The whole team minus Asik and some of the end of the bench guys looked bad. But for me what I saw was a physically drained team... it looks like Mchale is running them hard in practice in preparation for the regular season. I wouldn't be shocked if Lin and Parson sit next game and Douglas and White are made active.

Speaking of McHale, I don't know if his heart is in it from the interviews I read...
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Post#256 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:08 pm

rockmanslim wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Real talk......

The guys praising every single minute of Lin being on the court is just as annoying as the I told u so crew.

It's preseason. Lin is ok.

He ain't balling like no tomorrow and he isn't stinking the joint up.

He's playing well within s team structure.

Both sides need to step back and get off the youngman's nuts.

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did you actually watch the game? he was invisible at best, liability on both ends at worst. and i was a huge fan of linsanity last season. he looked like a d-leaguer today.

And your point is? Yes I watched the game.

I saw a coach dig in and see what he truly has from a team perspective.

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Post#257 » by ibraheim718 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:09 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:
Do you think it's true, though? I don't. Machado is a nice player and clearly has talent...however, I don't think he can run an offense right now. Lamb? He's good in the pick and roll, but he can't really run the offense from the off-guard position. Parsons is a solid all around player, but he can't run an offense.

McHale should be tayloring the offense to fit Lin's strengths -- spacing the court, keeping the middle open, and having Lin attack off the dribble in the pick and roll.


Once the games count that is exactly what is going to be happening... just like it happened in the 3rd quarter of the Hornets game. It makes no sense to empty the tank right now... as a coach you should have specific objectives you want the team to meet in the preseason. And doing what you ALREADY know you want to do isn't one of them.


Running the PnR isn't going to break Lin down as long as he doesn't play D'antoni minutes and it's really important to figure out the timing on that play (remember Felton looking awful his first two weeks here before he figured Amare's timing out?). What I saw today, was a team that took the ball out of Lin's hands nearly all game long...and even if they're not showing their entire hand, it seems odd that they spent so much time not giving Lin anything but spot ups. McHale has to establish him as a floor general, I saw Carlos friggin' Delfino shake him off and run a two man game with Asik a couple of times in the second quarter.

I'm also not a fan of McHale at all though, tbh.


If you know one thing that definitely works why run it to death in the preseason? Did you watch the 3rd quarter against NO? They ran the hell out of the PnR in that game and it worked. You aren't going to get better doing the things you already know you're good at... they have to work on some of the other areas as well. I wouldn't read too much into any of the preseason games... that's my advice. What I've seen in 3 games thus far doesn't lead me to make an assumption one way or another about the kid.
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Post#258 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:09 pm

Quick Kick wrote:These Lin fans were talking CASH SH*T about the Knicks all summer. Putting down Melo. Making Lin out to be a future 19x All Star and future HOF'er. Everything that went wrong was Melos fault. Lin was a good, celebant Christian with the voice of an angel. Now hes being exposed and theyre nowhere to be found. Are you surprised Knick fans are reveling in his early failures? Imagine if this kid was putting up big numbers. This board would be unreadable.


Dude, stop. This isn't helping the conversation and is baiting. This is your second warning for baiting.
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Post#259 » by j4remi » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:10 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Remi, would you agree since it's preseason, they want to everything Lin has in his arsenal?

Honestly I see nothing wrong with what they are doing.

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Here's why I disagree with this sentiment...They gave up a very good, high potential PG and gave the starter money to Lin...He's their starting PG, I think we can all agree about that. He needs to have the ball in his hands and he needs to get a feel for feeding different players, having him do dribble hand-offs then cut away from the play is NOT helping him develop a feel for anything. He was clearly out of sync, when he did get opportunities he pressed and the entire team looked sloppy because there wasn't proper orchestration.

Compare that to the Knicks who have put the ball in all three PG's hands for quarters at a time and worked off of them running plays...Or compare it to the Spurs where they ran a ton of set pieces and timing plays...Testing Lin out as a spot up shooter is crazy, especially when no one on the Rockets stepped up to control the pace or smooth things out.
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Post#260 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:13 pm

Didn't want this related to the Knicks at all but both coaches are doing very similar things.

You guys are overanalyzing a coach seeing what he has.

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