Do the Mavs make the playoffs ?

[Nowitness]

Mahimi and Haywood? LMAO! Surely anyone who says that never saw them as Mavs.

Saw plenty of them in person. I always like Mahinmi as underrated bench piece and Haywood has always been a decent rebounder and defender.

So, you guys think you will be better than last year's team which was roughly a 45 win pace?

We're better on paper, no doubt. As said Kidd was pretty horrible last year, and the only real piece we may miss is Jason Terry, if OJ Mayo dosen't have a good year (15 PPG a night IMO). Brand,Wright,and Kaman shoot Haywood and Mahinmi out of the water, but with the most of the West imrpoving their rosters, I don't really think our win total will improve. Infact I think it will stay exactly the same, 45-37.

[CrazyB0y]

lol

a team featuring Dirk will make the playoffs... no matter what.
even if he's 40 years old he'll still lead them to the post season.

so, unless Dirk misses more than 7-10 games the Mavs will make it - just as every other year in the past decade.

A prime KG was missing the playoffs.
Even MJ wasn't making the playoffs with Washington in his late 30's.

Dirk has posted in 2 consecutive seasons his lowest PPG and RPG since his 2nd year (1999-2000).
Sure, in the playoffs give me Dirk, but I don't think he can single handedly carry a team through an 82 game schedule and guarantee playoffs.

despite his low PPG in his last 2 seasons, those were still the ones he led the league in +/- (RAPM).

how is that possible?
well, maybe ppg isn't the best tool to measure the ability of a player to get his team to the playoffs?
whenever Dirk is on the court, his team is simply crushing the opponent.. no matter how good that team is.

maybe those lows in ppg have more to do with Dirk being the most double teamed player in the NBA?
hence he's creating so much space for his teammates, that he doesn't even need to score to make his team better.

[Texas Chuck]

Mahimi and Haywood? LMAO! Surely anyone who says that never saw them as Mavs.

Saw plenty of them in person. I always like Mahinmi as underrated bench piece and Haywood has always been a decent rebounder and defender.

So, you guys think you will be better than last year's team which was roughly a 45 win pace?

yeah the problem with Ian is he has one good game and then follows it with 3-4 where he doesnt show up. You probably have fond memories of his play in the last couple games of the finals. He was helpful to us in playing in place of the injured Haywood but remember this was going against a really weak Miami frontline. Hes completely useless against legit big men. Haywood never got over losing his starting spot to Chandler and was really subpar the last 2 years after being terrific for us post trade in 2010.

Kamen/Brand is definitely an upgrade. I dont treat Kidd as harshly as most Mavs fans do. I think he was still an effective player despite his mediocre stats. Now was he clearly on the downswing? absolutely. But I remain unconvinced Collison is a noticable upgrade. Mayo is worse than JET offensively but he makes some of that up by being a better defender. Marion will likely struggle to match last year but then again Im not making the mistake of underestimating that guy.

But it all comes down to Dirk. If he plays 70+ games, then Dallas wins 45+ and could easily win 52-55 if Kamen stays healthy and our backcourt comes together.

[HMFFL]

Mahimi and Haywood? LMAO! Surely anyone who says that never saw them as Mavs.

Saw plenty of them in person. I always like Mahinmi as underrated bench piece and Haywood has always been a decent rebounder and defender.

So, you guys think you will be better than last year's team which was roughly a 45 win pace?

Mahinmi made far to many mistakes. Haywood was basically useless for us last season, he had no passion, and basically stopped caring after he signed his long-term contract.

It's going to be a difficult year for Dallas. Dirk Nowitzki is supposedly dealing with an injury, he has new teams, new roles to understand, and a new system for all the new additions. It's going to be an interesting year but thankfully most of the players are only signed for one year.

[lilojmayo]

Mahimi and Haywood? LMAO! Surely anyone who says that never saw them as Mavs.

Saw plenty of them in person. I always like Mahinmi as underrated bench piece and Haywood has always been a decent rebounder and defender.

So, you guys think you will be better than last year's team which was roughly a 45 win pace?

Mahinmi made far to many mistakes. Haywood was basically useless for us last season, he had no passion, and basically stopped caring after he signed his long-term contract.

It's going to be a difficult year for Dallas. Dirk Nowitzki is supposedly dealing with an injury, he has new teams, new roles to understand, and a new system for all the new additions. It's going to be an interesting year but thankfully most of the players are only signed for one year.

You and the rest just knee jerk reacting to the horrendous two preseason games.
This team has more talent then given credit for.

I was playing 2k13 today, and realized that the Mavs have so many weapons. I didn't know who to shoot with.

[SlobbaN]

Lol, the thread is full of people who have not seen a single game of Mavs last season. Surely we'll miss Wood, Ian and Kidd )) Those three were horrible. I can't believe we actually got some value from Indiana for that scrub who doesn't even belong to Nba. Kidd was horrible, he's no threat on the offensive end, the opposing teams could double our other players and not care about Kidd, coz he can't score even wide open. On the defensive end he was so bad, that Rick had to come up with some defensive plan every game to hide that blackhole that Kidd was. Wood has never been the same since TC came. Kaman/Brand/Dahntay/Mayo/DC is miles better than the pieces we lost, even if they fail to meet expectations. If Dirk is healthy for 60+ games it's gonna be another 50+ season for us. And LOL at comparing KG to Dirk in terms of being franchise.
RealGM at it's best, bashing the hell out of a team after 2 preseason games )) I wonder what Boston haters were saying after they got destroyed by some turkish team ))

[Soupman]

make a deadline trade for Bynum.

DHoward part II...

[DanTown8587]

I don't like their squad. A massive amount of inconsistency, Dirk, Marion, Brand are all a year older, Dirk is already battling injuries and they finished the year 16-19. If last year was an 82 game season, I don't think they get home with a playoff spot.

Plus, I think Golden State is massively better adding Andrew Bogut, a full year of Thompson.

[Brooklyn_34]

Mahinmi made far to many mistakes. Haywood was basically useless for us last season, he had no passion, and basically stopped caring after he signed his long-term contract.

It's going to be a difficult year for Dallas. Dirk Nowitzki is supposedly dealing with an injury, he has new teams, new roles to understand, and a new system for all the new additions. It's going to be an interesting year but thankfully most of the players are only signed for one year.

Haywood was useless, I agree.

I actually wanted to keep Mahinmi.

It will be a difficult year.

[SlobbaN]

Mahinmi made far to many mistakes. Haywood was basically useless for us last season, he had no passion, and basically stopped caring after he signed his long-term contract.

It's going to be a difficult year for Dallas. Dirk Nowitzki is supposedly dealing with an injury, he has new teams, new roles to understand, and a new system for all the new additions. It's going to be an interesting year but thankfully most of the players are only signed for one year.

Haywood was useless, I agree.

I actually wanted to keep Mahinmi.

It will be a difficult year.

You're probably the only Mavs' fan in the world who wanted to keep Ian.
The season will depend on the injuries. Dirk has just drained his knee, let's see how he does by the start of the season.

[lilojmayo]

Breaking News

apparentally it has been reported that Juice Mayo was playing with a lacerated shooting hand that he injured by falling down a flight of stairs before the Barcelona game, so explains his shooting performance.

Playing through injuries i see, let's commend him instead of trying to look down upon him.


Warrior. that Juice Mayo.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/player ... 207&spln=1

[Mamba Mentality]

6th or 7th seed at best. Teams had to much success in the last decade or so for me to discount them.

[lilojmayo]

Darren Collison is too ball dominant also. that has to change.

[Clyde Frazier]

Unless dirk has to have surgery and misses significant time, I'm fairly confident they make the playoffs. They were able to pick up the pieces pretty well after going all in for the big name FAs.

Carlisle's role in getting the most out of a talent like mayo shouldn't be overlooked. I expect him to be a solid replacement for terry, albeit obviously not as smart of a player. I think they're missing that defensive minded center to back up kaman, but overall have enough talent to push through to the playoffs.

It all comes down to dirk, as usual. Plenty of players had off years during the lockout shortened season. If he doesn't get healthy, then yeah, they're in serious trouble. Let's not underestimate how good he still is, though.

[Mobby]

Mavs make the playoffs c'moooon. Last spot is between the Jazz, Warriors, and Wolves.

[MNister89]

how I see West
1. THUNDER - obvious top 2 team in west
2. LAKERS - same, but won't be as great as some think. Need better shooters and athleticism
3. CLIPPERS - great depth now, key is growth from Jordan. Love Bledsoe as M.I.P darkhorse
4. WOLVES - If they can stay above or near .500 until Rubio returns, this is a potential contender. A lot of "ifs" but having Kevin Love, Nikola Pekovic, Rubio, Kirilenko, Brandon Roy (looks great so far!), Sexy Alexey Shved, Chase Budinger, Dante Cunningham, Luke Ridnour, JJ Barea and Derrick Williams.
5. NUGGETS - need shooters and low-post scoring. Transistion game will be lethal and wings are insanely deep and versatile, but those easy buckets Nuggets get in regular season dry up in slower playoff games.
6. GRIZZLIES - Will be in mix for homecourt, but lack perimeter scoring and shooting. Depth is also a huge concern for Memphis.
7. SPURS - This is the year that the Spurs show their age. Ginobili and Duncan nearing end. Only sure things are Parker (maybe not w/ new glasses) and Leonard. Splitter, Blair, rest of bench mob won't be enough this year in this Western Conference.
8. WARRIORS - With Curry, Thompson and Barnes gunning on perimter and Bogut and Lee on the block, the Dubs will make a run after a slow start. Still a year or two away and need perimeter toughness and some time to gel as a team.
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9. MAVS - Dirk needs more help and Kaman/Mayo/Brand/Collison won't get it done in ridiculous West. Kaman and Brand are defficient in the areas Mavs need in bigs next to Dirk: athleticism and defense. Mayo is a remorseless chucker who occasionally plays hard enough on D to convince people he isn't just a young JamalCrawford. Collison is a 6th man ideally who struggles to run an offense. Will need one of their young combo guards or a big (Wright or Bernard James) to have breakout year.
10. JAZZ - Will never do anything real with current group. MUST move one or two of their bigs. When your fans are saying that offseason additions of Randy Foye, Mo Williams and Marvin Williams are big improvements, you know something isn't write. Trade Jefferson and Millsap for young wings and picks and build around Favors, Kanter, Burks, Hayward.

[Ayt]

I think that the Mavs might shut down Dirk if the early season does not go their way. What better way to re-tool than pulling a Spurs "have MVP sit out a year, get the #1 pick, and start a dynasty"

They would still win around 38 or so games. Their supporting cast isn't bad enough to get into top pick territory. Plus, I very seriously doubt Dirk would accept sitting out when he could be playing at this point in his career, he isn't exactly young.

38 games minus Dirk? The talent on the team is not that good.

[lilojmayo]

OJ Msyo looking like a franchise player, its awesome seeing him be " The Man" that's all i have ever asked. Let him be the man and lets seee what happens. I'm bout to shed a few tears, He has patiently waited 4 seasons for this.

Its not who starts the race its who finishes it. Juice the most talented SG 25 and under in the NBA and its not really that close

[Sasaki]

OJ Msyo looking like a franchise player, its awesome seeing him be " The Man" that's all i have ever asked. Let him be the man and lets seee what happens. I'm bout to shed a few tears, He has patiently waited 4 seasons for this.

Its not who starts the race its who finishes it. Juice the most talented SG 25 and under in the NBA and its not really that close

Congrats. He's scoring against an incredibly undisciplined team that is making no effort in the transition D, and he's being guarded by Martin.

[andyhop]

OJ Msyo looking like a franchise player, its awesome seeing him be " The Man" that's all i have ever asked. Let him be the man and lets seee what happens. I'm bout to shed a few tears, He has patiently waited 4 seasons for this.

Its not who starts the race its who finishes it. Juice the most talented SG 25 and under in the NBA and its not really that close

Maybe he could try playing defense so Kevin Martin doesn't look like a Superstar