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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#221 » by Mech Engineer » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:32 pm

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DuckIII wrote:I picked the wrong day to draft a Nate Robinson-hating sig. I'm keeping it for now though. I don't trust that guy's game one bit.

I like the Nate I see under structured coaching. We're going to need his offense sooner than later though.


I think the key with Nate is to use him when the offense is devoid of energy although he did well yesterday starting. Unless Hinrich gets hurt, he is not going to get so much time. I don't think Thibs's substitution pattern would work with Nate like the last few years with CJ. I feel Nate is going to do some crazy things if things are going well.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#222 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:34 pm

I can see a light at the end of the tunnel when it comes to our bench.

I like Hinrich over Watson.

I hate Lucas so I like Nate.

Nazr if he keeps playing like this he's a great pick up, he's no Asik but brings other things to the table that are very valuable.

Jimmy is as good or almost as good on defense as Brewer. On offense he's only going to improve.

If Marco's jumper comes around and he drops 10lbs he could have equal value as Korver albeit in a different role.

Give this new Bench Mob some time. They're a versatile bunch with some promise.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#223 » by stepbackjftw » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:43 pm

dissapointed in butler...even noah has more confidence to take a jumpshot which is sad
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#224 » by Mech Engineer » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:51 pm

The problem with Boozer with the current team

1. Can he play with the bench with the bench players being average defensive players? He could have been a good fit last year with the defensive minded guys like Brewer, Asik. My hope is he gets into a good rhythm with Hinrich and they can play some minutes with the bench when Rose comes back.

2. I agree that pre-season is the wrong time to worry about a veteran like Boozer. Maybe he drives more without Rose. I guess unless he matches-up well and dominates Bosh in a playoff series, we will never be thrilled with Boozer. Hopefully, he gets his shot working and his passing might be more valuable without a Rose.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#225 » by suckfish » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:54 pm

DuckIII wrote:I picked the wrong day to draft a Nate Robinson-hating sig. I'm keeping it for now though. I don't trust that guy's game one bit.


Out of all the players we added you are rocking a Robinson hate sig? He's our best signing. And you're not supposed to trust him. You play him off the bench and let him let it fly and hope he is in one of his explosive scoring grooves. When it's on, he can take over. When it's not on, we'll it's not..

Hate on Marco. That guys sucks.

RIP looked amazing last night. If only he was young/healthy enough to do that most nights.

I apologise to Nazr as well. I didn't realise just how solid of a player he is. Really impressed.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#226 » by AAU Teammate » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:04 pm

The problems associated with Nate Robinson will not disappear because of one great night. He will provide scoring sparks that we'll love. He also is someone that absolutely will become central to a really good opponent's game plan. Force switches, get him into the post. Three point shooters in the first games were literally just taking threes right in his face, and were bothered 0% in the process.

This is a bench guy. You will see Hinrich closing games unless our halfcourt offense has serious problems getting PG penetration
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#227 » by DuckIII » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:00 pm

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DuckIII wrote:I picked the wrong day to draft a Nate Robinson-hating sig. I'm keeping it for now though. I don't trust that guy's game one bit.


Out of all the players we added you are rocking a Robinson hate sig?


The other guys aren't worth the trouble.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#228 » by suckfish » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:43 pm

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DuckIII wrote:I picked the wrong day to draft a Nate Robinson-hating sig. I'm keeping it for now though. I don't trust that guy's game one bit.


Out of all the players we added you are rocking a Robinson hate sig?


The other guys aren't worth the trouble.


You don't think Marco will play? He'll be out there as much as Nate, at least until Rose returns.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#229 » by Rerisen » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:27 pm

Nate's role is taking over from Lucas. It is the one clear and obvious upgrade we made this offseason. And cheaply!
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#230 » by MalikJoakim24 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:35 am

Is there a replay of this game on YouTube? I looked but couldn't find anything...

Anyone help me out? I missed this game and really want to see it.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#231 » by Seinfeld » Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:15 am

Rerisen wrote:Nate's role is taking over from Lucas. It is the one clear and obvious upgrade we made this offseason. And cheaply!


Actually, we did make one other clear and obvious upgrade, also at the league minimum: Post offense.

We now actually have a big man who can catch the ball on the low blocks and score at a fairly efficient rate.

Now obviously Nazr isn't anywhere near the defender Omer was (though he's close as a shot-blocker), and Omer is also a much better rebounder, but we obviously improved our offense from the 4th big man.

It's not much when you consider they're both 15 mpg players, but it's something.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#232 » by weneeda2guard » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:50 am

Kirk is a upgrade over cj too

Cj could have never bottled up kyrie the way kirk did

Honestly if by march we ending games with rose, kirk, deng, taj and noah we are going to pull out some games cause defensively we will be legit.

Damn shame we had to go 2 seasons just end up with the same line up we had under del negro lol
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#233 » by bullsnewdynasty » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:00 pm

BJ43 wrote:It's great that people who post here know how the refs feel about stuff. You wonder why the game thread is 14pgs, maybe people get sick of reading the same BS every game....Boozer blah blah blah sucks, no defense AMNESTY...EMPTY STATS...looosseer....we get it, you dont like Boozer, but you dont say it enough, maybe you should write about it all the time, that would make these threads so much more inviting!

When he does have a good game BUM SLAYER hahaha we soooo funny!

Stoooopid Boozer defenders, here look at this stat shows that Boozer killed puppies on the weekend


Boozer was terrible, again. What's your point? If he stops playing terrible, he won't get hate. Not too hard of a concept.

What I'm more concerned about than simply his points per game and shooting percentages is that he appears to be moving around like his feet are made of concrete blocks. He never had great foot speed...but he has significantly declined in the past year or two in that area. And some of his turnovers are just awful.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#234 » by Seinfeld » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:10 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:Kirk is a upgrade over cj too

Cj could have never bottled up kyrie the way kirk did

Honestly if by march we ending games with rose, kirk, deng, taj and noah we are going to pull out some games cause defensively we will be legit.

Damn shame we had to go 2 seasons just end up with the same line up we had under del negro lol


Yeah I know, Kirk is a blatant upgrade over CJ, but since Kirk is so hated on this board I wasn't about to go there.

Vlad is also a blatant upgrade over Scal, but again I'm not looking to start a riot, so I'll wait a few months until it's blatantly obvious and everyone will forget that they were all bitching about signing Vlad.

Let's be honest, who here has admitted that they were wrong about JL3? Last year at this time, he was a worthless piece of garbage who had no business even being on an NBA roster, but now he was a valuable piece of the bench mob that Rein$dorf let go to avoid the luxury tax.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#235 » by weneeda2guard » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:31 pm

yea but john lucas is back to looking like the too much dribbling midget on the raptors. jL3 is more the product of the thibs system, so was cj, thats why he has looked like mediocre for brooklyn. kirk is the type of player that fits perfectly for thibs system. when kirk and nate, with taj and nazr with either marco or butler stepping up is the official bench, our bench will be decent. for this year at least.
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Post#236 » by weneeda2guard » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:36 pm

and my only issue with boozer is his attitude and fight. he just looks lost out there. i dont see any hunger or motivation to want to be the best at his position out there. he looks like half the time he dont even want the ball. there is no hustle from him, he still lazy on defensive rotations. i think as much as we dog boozer we all know he has the raw skill to be good. we so angry because he wont show it. he has shown flashes of being a top 10 power forward with great offensive post moves, and a sweet 12ft jump shot. he can rebound well. but he lacks that other part you need to be a winner. if he could grab some of that heart that noah and taj has he would be great for us. we could almost forgive boozer if he shot 1-11 but we saw him playing his ass off hustling getting on the ground going up for block shots or hard fouls etc. he just dont bring any of that. he just wants to yell when he gets a rebound and shake his head when someone else scores. after that he looks lost trying to figure out where to be and what to do, and he been here 2 seasons now, he should have the game plan down.
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#237 » by Seinfeld » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:37 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:yea but john lucas is back to looking like the too much dribbling midget on the raptors. jL3 is more the product of the thibs system, so was cj, thats why he has looked like mediocre for brooklyn. kirk is the type of player that fits perfectly for thibs system. when kirk and nate, with taj and nazr with either marco or butler stepping up is the official bench, our bench will be decent. for this year at least.


Great post, except for the part about CJ being "a product of Thibs' system".

I'm sure Thibs' system doesn't include "when it's Game 6 of the playoffs and we have Game 7 at home, and we have a 2 point lead with under 10 seconds to play, and you are the best FT shooter on the team, you should pass the ball to the worst FT shooter in the league instead of dribbling until the other team fouls you".
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#238 » by patryk7754 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:50 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:and my only issue with boozer is his attitude and fight. he just looks lost out there. i dont see any hunger or motivation to want to be the best at his position out there. he looks like half the time he dont even want the ball. there is no hustle from him, he still lazy on defensive rotations. i think as much as we dog boozer we all know he has the raw skill to be good. we so angry because he wont show it. he has shown flashes of being a top 10 power forward with great offensive post moves, and a sweet 12ft jump shot. he can rebound well. but he lacks that other part you need to be a winner. if he could grab some of that heart that noah and taj has he would be great for us. we could almost forgive boozer if he shot 1-11 but we saw him playing his ass off hustling getting on the ground going up for block shots or hard fouls etc. he just dont bring any of that. he just wants to yell when he gets a rebound and shake his head when someone else scores. after that he looks lost trying to figure out where to be and what to do, and he been here 2 seasons now, he should have the game plan down.

I don't think you've made one bad post in the past two days. This is spot on. I just think its time for the Bulls and boozer to part ways
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#239 » by chifan1798 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:08 am

weneeda2guard wrote:and my only issue with boozer is his attitude and fight. he just looks lost out there. i dont see any hunger or motivation to want to be the best at his position out there. he looks like half the time he dont even want the ball. there is no hustle from him, he still lazy on defensive rotations. i think as much as we dog boozer we all know he has the raw skill to be good. we so angry because he wont show it. he has shown flashes of being a top 10 power forward with great offensive post moves, and a sweet 12ft jump shot. he can rebound well. but he lacks that other part you need to be a winner. if he could grab some of that heart that noah and taj has he would be great for us. we could almost forgive boozer if he shot 1-11 but we saw him playing his ass off hustling getting on the ground going up for block shots or hard fouls etc. he just dont bring any of that. he just wants to yell when he gets a rebound and shake his head when someone else scores. after that he looks lost trying to figure out where to be and what to do, and he been here 2 seasons now, he should have the game plan down.

+1

When people point to the stats of Boozer, they don't look horrendous. He gives a little over 15 ppg and about 8 boards per game. But with the lax play, missed defensive assignments, apprehension to shoot, missing of easy shots. and looks of confusion, I, and probably many others feel that he could do better if he put forth the effort. You've got to look beyond the stat sheet sometimes. Saying the Boozer sucks given his stats alone may be extreme, but his demeanor on the court makes me feel that he could be giving us a lot more. I'm not saying that he doesn't care, but maybe he just doesn't have the balls to be aggressive against some of the better teams. Even though he's not getting any younger, he should still have the skill set to do well, and better than what he has provided
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Re: 10/16 - Bucks @ Bulls 7 C.T. 

Post#240 » by bullsnewdynasty » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:23 am

weneeda2guard wrote:and my only issue with boozer is his attitude and fight. he just looks lost out there. i dont see any hunger or motivation to want to be the best at his position out there. he looks like half the time he dont even want the ball. there is no hustle from him, he still lazy on defensive rotations. i think as much as we dog boozer we all know he has the raw skill to be good. we so angry because he wont show it. he has shown flashes of being a top 10 power forward with great offensive post moves, and a sweet 12ft jump shot. he can rebound well. but he lacks that other part you need to be a winner. if he could grab some of that heart that noah and taj has he would be great for us. we could almost forgive boozer if he shot 1-11 but we saw him playing his ass off hustling getting on the ground going up for block shots or hard fouls etc. he just dont bring any of that. he just wants to yell when he gets a rebound and shake his head when someone else scores. after that he looks lost trying to figure out where to be and what to do, and he been here 2 seasons now, he should have the game plan down.


Boozer - We had the best record in the league, and that's all that matters, yo.

Spot on post. Boozer needs to show some fire and start being more assertive. At times it looks like he's content no matter what he's doing on the court. And if the Boozer apologists doesn't like me saying it, just read what Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen (who were real winners) had to say about Boozer in the past. Certainly wasn't a ringing endorsement.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/n ... id=6485998

"It will be a long time before I could be a head coach, because I don't care how much money you get paid," Grant said. "If you're not producing more or if I feel you're hurting the team, especially in the playoffs, I'd bench you.


"If Boozer is having an off-game scoring, he has to do other things. You have to rebound and you've got to play defense."


http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... tie-pippen

As far as Boozer's struggles on the defensive end, Grant believes that those issues are something which he can be coached through over time.

"You can be taught that," he said. "You can always be trained to be that defensive stopper. But more or less, if you don't want to do it, then you have a problem. But they're going to need him to do all the intangibles for them to get over the hump."


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... %E2%80%9D/

“You can’t hide at this stage of the season. At this point, you have to be able to play through everything because if you’re trying to hide a guy or a guy is not performing for you, it’s going to show offensively in the playoffs and it’s going to be magnified … We all know Carlos did not play at the level the team needed him to and that that hurt them more than anything because they couldn’t rely on him.

“The flagrant foul, the pushing calls, the inability to finish strong around the basket. Now you’re a liability. We can’t hide you and now we have to take you out of the game.”


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... toughness/

‘‘They’ve all got two legs and two arms,’’ the six-time NBA champion said. ‘‘You’ve got Carlos Boozer out there who’s spending fouls and a lot of his fouls are not needed at the time that he’s giving them. Those could be hard fouls. Those could be fouls that you knock a [Darren] Collison to the floor, you knock a [Jeff] Foster to the floor.

‘‘Utilize your fouls and make them more valuable for you and your team.’’


Now go ahead and tell me that these guys don't know what they're talking about.

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