hey, at least we arent the bobcats - the other teams thread

[mrknowitall215]

Eric Bledsoe's Adjusted Stats (Per 40)
'10-'11: FG% .424 FT% .744 PTS 11.8 REB 4.8 AST 6.3 TS% 49.9 PER 10.81
'11-'12: FG% .389 FT% .636 PTS 11.4 REB 5.6 AST 5.7 TS% 45.4 PER 11.24

Kemba Walker's Adjusted Stats (Per 40)
'11-'12: FG% .366 FT% .789 PTS 17.8 REB 5.2 AST 6.5 TS% 46.4 PER 14.98

[mrknowitall215]

he is a little bigger and stronger, faster, more athletic and younger. he has more upside. he may never really learn how to play pg and turn out to be nothing more than a backup, but i would take that chance. and if both end up as nothing more than career backups, i still like bledsoe more because he is more explosive and can impact a game in 5-10 minutes more than kemba can.

Actually Kemba is younger, turned the ball over at half the rate, and statistically has shown that he can distribute the ball better with much less talent around him.

[fatlever]

is he younger? my bad. i stand corrected. (edit, yup, bledsoe 6 months older)

[fatlever]

small sample sizes, but check out what bledsoe did in the playoffs last year in limited minutes and so far in preseason. i think part of last year was a struggle for him as he was coming back from injury and not playing much (only 11 minutes/game)

he'll probably never be a true pure point guard, but he can be a dynamic game changer because of his speed and athleticism.

if i was bobcats and i was offered bledsoe for kemba straight up i would probably turn it down because the difference between the two isnt great enough to offset what you lose in established relationships. however, if i was say an expansion team and both were available, i would take bledsoe.

[mrknowitall215]

That's understandable. I like Bledsoe a lot as a player as well. He has a lot of potential.

[fatlever]

i was curious what clipper fans thought of bledsoe. in a thread on their board, it seems a lot of them view him as more of a long-term shooting guard. hard to believe considering he is 6-1, but then they point out his ridiculous wingspan and reach.

[penquin11]

Unless his wingspan is 7 inches larger than the norm for PG's, then no Bledsoe is not a SG.... I can't imagine being 6'1 and trying to guard someone who is 6'7.. We talk about how Hendo is slightly undersized for a SG, bledsoe? That would be like playing MKG at center!

[fatlever]

bledsoe: 6'7.5" wingspan, 8'2" standing reach.

wingspan comparable to rivers, waiters, t ross, j teague, stuckey, ellington, shumpert.

reach comparable to deron, felton, lin, ellis, meeks, waiters, bradley, knight

for comparison henderson is 6'10.5" and 8'6", kemba is 6'3.5" and 7'7.5"

[LamarMatic7]

every time i watch bledsoe he blows he away. one day he could be a serious stud. that clippers team has to be the deepest in the league. crazy deep.

In my opinion they are too deep. Just take a look at their roster and come up with an answer to the question on how do the shooting guards and small forwards divide their minutes. I'm not saying that the players they have are bad guys, but I've just read too many NBA books to trust these guys being professional about their touches and PT.

Celtics just moved in dangerously close to that territory by signing Leandro Barbosa. Now, they have Terry, Bradley, Barbosa and Lee splitting the minutes at the 2 and the short time span Rondo is subbed out.

[Fred Williamson]

IMO, the whole league is oversaturated with combo guards.

[HornetJail]

every time i watch bledsoe he blows he away. one day he could be a serious stud. that clippers team has to be the deepest in the league. crazy deep.

In my opinion they are too deep. Just take a look at their roster and come up with an answer to the question on how do the shooting guards and small forwards divide their minutes. I'm not saying that the players they have are bad guys, but I've just read too many NBA books to trust these guys being professional about their touches and PT.

Celtics just moved in dangerously close to that territory by signing Leandro Barbosa. Now, they have Terry, Bradley, Barbosa and Lee splitting the minutes at the 2 and the short time span Rondo is subbed out.

Too bad none of them could back up KG at center. Was hoping they'd sign Kenyon Martin.

[fatlever]

every time i watch bledsoe he blows he away. one day he could be a serious stud. that clippers team has to be the deepest in the league. crazy deep.

In my opinion they are too deep. Just take a look at their roster and come up with an answer to the question on how do the shooting guards and small forwards divide their minutes. I'm not saying that the players they have are bad guys, but I've just read too many NBA books to trust these guys being professional about their touches and PT.

Celtics just moved in dangerously close to that territory by signing Leandro Barbosa. Now, they have Terry, Bradley, Barbosa and Lee splitting the minutes at the 2 and the short time span Rondo is subbed out.

valid points for sure.

i think their depth will take a bit of a hit as some of those old guys get injured, dont play many minutes in regular season or even take games off to rest. how healthy is billups? how long will it take for odom to get in shape?

they can rotate 4 guards between the guard spots: paul, bledsoe, billups and crawford
they can rotate 5 forwards between the forward spots: butler, griffin, hill, barnes, odom
jordan and either turiaf or hollins soak up the center minutes perhaps even with griffin or odom getting some time at center.

i still dont rate them as a championship contender even if they do gel.

[LamarMatic7]

every time i watch bledsoe he blows he away. one day he could be a serious stud. that clippers team has to be the deepest in the league. crazy deep.

In my opinion they are too deep. Just take a look at their roster and come up with an answer to the question on how do the shooting guards and small forwards divide their minutes. I'm not saying that the players they have are bad guys, but I've just read too many NBA books to trust these guys being professional about their touches and PT.

Celtics just moved in dangerously close to that territory by signing Leandro Barbosa. Now, they have Terry, Bradley, Barbosa and Lee splitting the minutes at the 2 and the short time span Rondo is subbed out.

valid points for sure.

i think their depth will take a bit of a hit as some of those old guys get injured, dont play many minutes in regular season or even take games off to rest. how healthy is billups? how long will it take for odom to get in shape?

they can rotate 4 guards between the guard spots: paul, bledsoe, billups and crawford
they can rotate 5 forwards between the forward spots: butler, griffin, hill, barnes, odom
jordan and either turiaf or hollins soak up the center minutes perhaps even with griffin or odom getting some time at center.

i still dont rate them as a championship contender even if they do gel.

The crazy part is that you forgot about Willie Green, that's another guard who could expect 15 minutes of playing time and some good looks.

Yep, however, they aren't that far away. I consider Miami, Boston, Lakers, Spurs and the Thunder teams that either win the title or their season is a bust. And then the Clippers, Bulls (I bet most people are forgetting about them, I hope they themselves are getting pumped for a "nobody believes in us" season), Pacers and Philly (even though I don't see those two doing it) are silently hoping for a conference finals spot.

[LamarMatic7]

Too bad none of them could back up KG at center. Was hoping they'd sign Kenyon Martin.

I think that Jason/Jarron Collins (god, I've never been able to tell the difference between them and who's who... and basically there isn't one - both are tall and that's it), Darko and Fab Melo (who'll spend most of the season in a suit though) isn't that bad. Darko and Collins are decent enough to average 20 minutes between two of them, so KG doesn't run out of gas during the season and then the best one is likely to average about 12 minutes during the playoffs, barring foul problems, in which scenario the third one checks in. I'm kind of hoping to see Darko rejuvenating under KG and averaging 5pts, 6rebs, 1.5blks, 2.3comparisons-to-Russell-by-Heinsohn and great defense in those 10-15 minutes he gets.

IMO, the whole league is oversaturated with combo guards.

The worst part is that it's oversaturated with somewhat average combo guards. When you look back at the early 2000's, we have way less good shooting guards.

[fatlever]

The crazy part is that you forgot about Willie Green, that's another guard who could expect 15 minutes of playing time and some good looks.

Yep, however, they aren't that far away. I consider Miami, Boston, Lakers, Spurs and the Thunder teams that either win the title or their season is a bust. And then the Clippers, Bulls (I bet most people are forgetting about them, I hope they themselves are getting pumped for a "nobody believes in us" season), Pacers and Philly (even though I don't see those two doing it) are silently hoping for a conference finals spot.

i didnt forget about green, i just chose to ignore him. i dont think he will get any minutes if the other 4 guards are healthy. he might get minutes while billups is out, but beyond that, i think he is definitely #5 guard on the depth chart.

[fatlever]

IMO, the whole league is oversaturated with combo guards.

The worst part is that it's oversaturated with somewhat average combo guards. When you look back at the early 2000's, we have way less good shooting guards.

the death of the shooting guard is sad. like lamar said, think about to the glory years of the sg. think about the 15 years from 1990 to 2005 and all the good to great shooting guards that played a few years during that era

1. jordan
2. kobe
3. drexler
4. iverson
5. wade
6. allen
7. miller
8. carter
9. mcgrady
10. richmond
11. dumars
12. penny
13. finley
14. r lewis
15. stackhouse
16. drazen
17. arenas

others: francis, houston, redd, hamilton mobley, rose, hawkins, gill

which shooting guards that have blossomed in the league since 2005 would crack that top 17? and about where would you slide them in the rankings?

joe johnson (maybe as high as #15, perhaps #14, certainly not higher than penny
kevin martin (he doesnt make the top 17 for me)
eric gordon (not yet, but still young)
brandon roy (probably up to maybe #12 at best)
jason richardson (nope)
monta ellis (make an all-star game first)
crawford (nope)
evans (there is still a chance, but not looking good)
westbrook (if we consider him a sg, similar to arenas and francis he can maybe crack top 10)

lets hope the next 7 years of new shooting guards is much better than the past 7.

[fatlever]

what is everyone's power rankings to begin the season?

1. heat
2. lakers
3. thunder
4. spurs
5. celtics
6. clippers
7. pacers
8. nuggets
9. nets
10. grizzlies
11. bulls
12. knicks
13. sixers
14. mavs
15. jazz
16. wolves
17. warriors
18. hawks
19. hornets
20. bucks
21. blazers
22. pistons
23. suns
24. rockets
25. raptors
26. kings
27. cavs
28. magic
29. wizards
30. bobcats

[fatlever]

its looks like augustin got worked tonight by nelson

augustin started, played 24 minutes, 0pts, 2ast, 2tos, -22
nelson started, played 27 minutes, 15pts, 7ast, 3tos, +19

[fatlever]

steph curry just rolled his ANKLE.......... again.

this is not an old thread. i repeat, this is not 2010, or 2011. you are not in a time warp. you are not on quantum leap.

[fatlever]