The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread

rockmanslim · Post #481 » by **rockmanslim** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:16 am

Regression2u wrote:
Mikez1919 wrote:I'm lovin' me some Drummond!

http://www.nba.com/video/games/pistons/ ... -play4.nba

http://www.nba.com/video/games/pistons/ ... -play3.nba

I'm happy for him considering how he slipped in the draft and had a "rough" [not dominant] year at UConn. It's really amazing that he "struggled" in college and is essentially dominating in the pros... plus you cannot compare college guys to even preseason NBA ball.

The only concern with him is that big bodies will defend him the right way and he won't be so prolific around the basket unless he develops a jumper. He should remain a good hustle rebounder though.

I did see him hit a step back jumper in summer league, and he looked good doing it too, nice footwork, nice looking stroke.

(obligatory disclaimer: small sample size + summer league)

edit: this is it at around 0:40

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLDnVyVthX4[/youtube]

JustinSane · Post #482 » by **JustinSane** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:32 am

Jonas V reminds me a lot of Duncan. Deceptively athletic, excellent fundamentals, good feel for the game, good touch around the basket. I would not be surprised at all if he's the best of the rookie bigs (including Davis).

rockmanslim · Post #483 » by **rockmanslim** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:34 am

watching that clip again, even though it was just summer league...

a man that size (height + weight) doing a step back jumper?! :eek2:

TwentyOne920 · Post #484 » by **TwentyOne920** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:35 am

JustinSane wrote:Jonas V reminds me a lot of Duncan. Deceptively athletic, excellent fundamentals, good feel for the game, good touch around the basket. I would not be surprised at all if he's the best of the rookie bigs (including Davis).

You do know TD posted 20/10 in his rookie season, was named All-NBA 1st team?

JV4MVP · Post #485 » by **JV4MVP** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:42 am

rockmanslim wrote:watching that clip again, even though it was just summer league...

a man that size (height + weight) doing a step back jumper?!

I like Drummond... complemented him as you replied back but that jumper was kind of sloppy. The form was atrocious. I don't think he'll have the freedom to try that move in a real game. And if he does it won't be a efficient attempt.

Drummond is a poor man's Amare. The athleticism is there but he just needs to hone his skills. If he can develop his offensive game beyond garbage baskets then he can ultimately be a top 3 center in the east... after Jonas of course.

FlipTSO · Post #486 » by **FlipTSO** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:49 am

Big difference between Drummond and Amare is, Drummond has DPY potential and Amare has getting benched for no D potential. lol

JV4MVP · Post #487 » by **JV4MVP** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:56 am

FlipTSO wrote:Big difference between Drummond and Amare is, Drummond has DPY potential and Amare has getting benched for no D potential. lol

I'm not discounting the preseason but Drummond's D may not look as amazing when he plays starters during the regular season.

That said, he does seem to have much better defensive IQ than Amar'e. But yea, you can only evaluate it when one faces good starters... not preseason backups.

Moose10Fan · Post #488 » by **Moose10Fan** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:12 am

Its pretty apparent he alot more equipped defensively then Amare he's flat out just a bigger guy with a strong lower base and good lateral quickness with just as much athleticism not to mention its crazy how much ground he covers with that wingspan, his presence is felt when he’s on the floor.. Amare has always been at best an average defender.

JustinSane · Post #489 » by **JustinSane** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:25 am

TwentyOne920 wrote:
JustinSane wrote:Jonas V reminds me a lot of Duncan. Deceptively athletic, excellent fundamentals, good feel for the game, good touch around the basket. I would not be surprised at all if he's the best of the rookie bigs (including Davis).

You do know TD posted 20/10 in his rookie season, was named All-NBA 1st team?

I should clarify I don't think he'll be as good as Duncan was. There are just aspects of his game that are similar. Duncan is an all-time great, it'd be stupid to ever project a rookie to be as good as he's been.

Bskey · Post #490 » by **Bskey** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:38 am

SWedd523 wrote:
FlipTSO wrote:PER 36 he'd be avg 17/15 the last 2 games.

dont forget the 7 fouls per36

True, but fouls are something you shouldn't worry about much with rookie bigs. 1-2 years in and he's still fouling like that then you could consider it an issue imo.

FlipTSO · Post #491 » by **FlipTSO** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:22 am

Regression2u wrote:
FlipTSO wrote:Big difference between Drummond and Amare is, Drummond has DPY potential and Amare has getting benched for no D potential. lol

I'm not discounting the preseason but Drummond's D may not look as amazing when he plays starters during the regular season.

That said, he does seem to have much better defensive IQ than Amar'e. But yea, you can only evaluate it when one faces good starters... not preseason backups.

Agreed. The instincts on defense are apparent though, which Amare never had that I recall, even in preseason.

Post #492 » by **roc** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:23 am

Regression2u wrote:The athleticism is there but he just needs to hone his skills. If he can develop his offensive game beyond garbage baskets then he can ultimately be a top 3 center in the east... after Jonas of course.

Jonas will be nice but Drummond = beast mode. :devil:

Kabookalu · Post #493 » by **Kabookalu** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:35 am

It's exciting to be an NBA fan right now. Recently we've been seeing an uprise of point guards, but it may also be the rise of centers. There's Drummond and Jonas of course, and then Derrick Favors who still has potential. I'm hoping that my man Biyombo will eventually catch on. If DeMarcus Cousins ever gets his head straight on he could be dangerous. Meyers Leonard has potential too. And then in the future there's Nerlens Noel and Steven Adams. Not to mention the guys that are already there, like Dwight, Bynum, Gasol, and Hibbert. The era where more than half the centers are stiffs will be over.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #494 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:20 am

Regression2u wrote:The only concern with him is that big bodies will defend him the right way and he won't be so prolific around the basket unless he develops a jumper. He should remain a good hustle rebounder though.

Like who though? He was too much physically for Enes Kanter back when Kanter was 290lbs, he couldn't even move Drummond. Outisde of Bynum and Howard, what big bodies are there that really stack up to him physically? If he's not bigger than the guy defending him, he'll be faster & quicker than them.

Zedders · Post #495 » by **Zedders** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:42 am

Detroit fans must be licking their lips. Drummond and Monroe, oh me oh my.

Johnlac1 · Post #496 » by **Johnlac1** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:29 pm

Zedders wrote:Detroit fans must be licking their lips. Drummond and Monroe, oh me oh my.

Drummond will certainly help, but what Detroit also needs is a huge injection of intelligence. They don't play smart as a team, and I don't think their present point guards (Stuckey, Knight) are smart or good enough to cure that problem. However, having said that, if they do poorly again this year (as I think they will), maybe they can pick up a good point guard in the draft.

Hero · Post #497 » by **Hero** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:05 pm

Choker wrote:It's exciting to be an NBA fan right now. Recently we've been seeing an uprise of point guards, but it may also be the rise of centers. There's Drummond and Jonas of course, and then Derrick Favors who still has potential.

If only he'd get more time but with the Jazz loaded front court it remains to be seen.

Kabookalu · Post #498 » by **Kabookalu** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:07 pm

Hero wrote:
Choker wrote:It's exciting to be an NBA fan right now. Recently we've been seeing an uprise of point guards, but it may also be the rise of centers. There's Drummond and Jonas of course, and then Derrick Favors who still has potential.

If only he'd get more time but with the Jazz loaded front court it remains to be seen.

I don't know what their plan is but I'm under the impression that Utah is ready to move on from Al Jefferson after his contract expires at the end of the season. If they do that Favors will have his minutes.

Blkbrd671 · Post #499 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:05 am

Zedders wrote:Detroit fans must be licking their lips. Drummond and Monroe, oh me oh my.

not right now, we don't quite have center depth , so Drummond is with the 2nd unit

Blkbrd671 · Post #500 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:13 am

Johnlac1 wrote:
Zedders wrote:Detroit fans must be licking their lips. Drummond and Monroe, oh me oh my.

Drummond will certainly help, but what Detroit also needs is a huge injection of intelligence. They don't play smart as a team, and I don't think their present point guards (Stuckey, Knight) are smart or good enough to cure that problem. However, having said that, if they do poorly again this year (as I think they will), maybe they can pick up a good point guard in the draft.

don't quite get where you get your assessment, but its pretty horrible. Stuckey and Tay have pretty large IQ's as well GM. Problem with detroit is they are still young and lack experience. has nothing to do with Bball IQ. We do need to limit our TO's which have been a issue, but for those who watch the games, you can see majority of time its due to the players trying to play with in franks system that they aren't comfortable with. When they get in the open court and get "free reign" , they take better care of the ball.

We'll be drafting a SF or SG, not PG as the FO is higher than snoop on Knight