Alec Burks - what's your projection for him?

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Post#1 » by PerkinsFor3 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:25 pm

I've been trying to get some footage of games he played in but so far I've only seen some highlights. I've been totally out of sync with basketball for just over a year, so I've missed all the talk and games about him.

Still I've read some positive things and read his draft profile. He looked liked a fast and strong shooting guard in the videos I saw. Not a great outside shooter if I'm not mistaken, and relatively short arms.

Pretty explosive as well... Is he a bit liek Ronnie Brewer? Or totally different? More potential? Steady roleplayer?

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Post#2 » by babyjax13 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:04 pm

I think he's completely different than Brewer. He has a lot of potential and I think he'll develop into a very good 2nd option. He can get into the lane at will, is incredibly fast, moves great without the ball (the one similarity between the two) and is actually a good midrange shooter. He's sort of similar to DeMar DeRozan....but not really. He has the most potential out of any shooting guard we've drafted in the past 10 years with possible exception to Kirk Snyder - but he's crazy, so...
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Post#3 » by QuantumMacgyver » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:33 pm

PROS: Great finisher, always looking to attack the rim, great jumper, quick first step, loves contact.

CONS: Lacks midrange game, poor three point shooter, lackadaisical on defense, might not fit in to team play, worst assist ratio of all nba guards last season(according to Matt Harpring)

IMPROVEMENTS OVER OFF SEASON: Has so far shown great improvement on both midrange and three point shot, has his moments on defense but still nothing to write home about, has had a few nice passes and seems to be more involved in the team Ideal.

CONCLUSION: Offensively he is going to be a consistently dangerous threat from anywhere on the floor. (Kinda like CJ Miles only talented.) Defensively he doesn't appear to be a liability but won't scare too many players either. Passing might come along, but surely will never be a strong point. The new Jazz style will suit him much better than the old style.
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Post#4 » by Neon Black » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:13 pm

I never though his shot was as bad as advertised, and it seems like it's steadily improving as well. He's not a guy you can just sag off of like Brewer. He's much more capable of creating his own shot and he gets to the line at a rate better than most veterans SG's.
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Post#5 » by babyjax13 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:02 pm

Burks was an incredible facilitator in college, the team he was on was just so bad they never capatalized on the opportunities he gave them. I think that can be a major part of his game if it's something that he's asked to do within the structure of the offense.
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Post#6 » by QuantumMacgyver » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:38 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Burks was an incredible facilitator in college, the team he was on was just so bad they never capatalized on the opportunities he gave them. I think that can be a major part of his game if it's something that he's asked to do within the structure of the offense.


The problem I see with Burks is that he appears to only pass the ball when it's drawn up that way, or when he has an open lane to the basket oddly enough. The few passes he's had in preseason seemed to come when he was about to elevate for an easy layup and instead dished it off. Strange because he never passes when someone contests him. Not that I am complaining. The guy usually scores and gets the foul. Just saying his choices when passing the ball are odd.
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Post#7 » by reapaman » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:31 am

Burks is looking like Kevin Martin 2.0 with some minor differences imo. I mean Martin and Burks in our case are ball dominant guard who you will either live or die by the decisions they make and usually they will choose to chuck it. All you can do is pray that is goes in. Probley will be an ineffecient player or mabey slightly effecient. I don't think his playmaking abilities will ever translate like Brandon roy's did and not pass much. Don't think he will ever care to play much defense either.

With that said I still don't know, I'm torn. I mean, Burks has the ability to flat out score which is extremely valuable but I'm almost 100% sure he will be seen in the same light as guys like KMart, Monte, or in the worse case scenario Jamal Crawford (Hopefully not). I don't know, really don't know yet depends on a lot of things.
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Re: Alec Burks - what's your projection for him? 

Post#8 » by Reckless » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:33 am

loot wrote:I've been trying to get some footage of games he played in but so far I've only seen some highlights. I've been totally out of sync with basketball for just over a year, so I've missed all the talk and games about him.

Still I've read some positive things and read his draft profile. He looked liked a fast and strong shooting guard in the videos I saw. Not a great outside shooter if I'm not mistaken, and relatively short arms.

Pretty explosive as well... Is he a bit liek Ronnie Brewer? Or totally different? More potential? Steady roleplayer?

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Post#9 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:33 am

reapaman wrote:Burks is looking like Kevin Martin 2.0 with some minor differences imo. I mean Martin and Burks in our case are ball dominant guard who you will either live or die by the decisions they make and usually they will choose to chuck it. All you can do is pray that is goes in. Probley will be an ineffecient player or mabey slightly effecient. I don't think his playmaking abilities will ever translate like Brandon roy's did and not pass much. Don't think he will ever care to play much defense either.

With that said I still don't know, I'm torn. I mean, Burks has the ability to flat out score which is extremely valuable but I'm almost 100% sure he will be seen in the same light as guys like KMart, Monte, or in the worse case scenario Jamal Crawford (Hopefully not). I don't know, really don't know yet depends on a lot of things.


Wasn't Kevin Martin an incredibly efficient offensive player in his (brief) prime?
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Post#10 » by babyjax13 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:47 am

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reapaman wrote:Burks is looking like Kevin Martin 2.0 with some minor differences imo. I mean Martin and Burks in our case are ball dominant guard who you will either live or die by the decisions they make and usually they will choose to chuck it. All you can do is pray that is goes in. Probley will be an ineffecient player or mabey slightly effecient. I don't think his playmaking abilities will ever translate like Brandon roy's did and not pass much. Don't think he will ever care to play much defense either.

With that said I still don't know, I'm torn. I mean, Burks has the ability to flat out score which is extremely valuable but I'm almost 100% sure he will be seen in the same light as guys like KMart, Monte, or in the worse case scenario Jamal Crawford (Hopefully not). I don't know, really don't know yet depends on a lot of things.


Wasn't Kevin Martin an incredibly efficient offensive player in his (brief) prime?


Yes, he was. But Burks is a different type of player. Their shiftiness and ability to get to the line are similar, but that's about it.
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Post#11 » by DelaneyRudd » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:39 am

Kevin Martin is a fair comparison. Alec isn't being asked to lead a team though with his current skill set, though.
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Post#12 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:23 pm

Kevin Martin is a poor comparison IMO. Burks isn't a pure shooter like K-Mart and he's a much better defender, rebounder and facilitator.

Best comparison I can come up with off the top of my head is Tyreke Evans. His ability to get to the bucket/free throw line is deadly but is somewhat streaky with his jumper. Can facilitate, rebound and defend when he wants to.
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Post#14 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:16 pm

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reapaman wrote:Burks is looking like Kevin Martin 2.0 with some minor differences imo. I mean Martin and Burks in our case are ball dominant guard who you will either live or die by the decisions they make and usually they will choose to chuck it. All you can do is pray that is goes in. Probley will be an ineffecient player or mabey slightly effecient. I don't think his playmaking abilities will ever translate like Brandon roy's did and not pass much. Don't think he will ever care to play much defense either.

With that said I still don't know, I'm torn. I mean, Burks has the ability to flat out score which is extremely valuable but I'm almost 100% sure he will be seen in the same light as guys like KMart, Monte, or in the worse case scenario Jamal Crawford (Hopefully not). I don't know, really don't know yet depends on a lot of things.


Wasn't Kevin Martin an incredibly efficient offensive player in his (brief) prime?


Yes, he was. But Burks is a different type of player. Their shiftiness and ability to get to the line are similar, but that's about it.


I wasn't the one comparing him to Kevin Martin; I'm just trying to understand why one would compare a player to Kevin Martin and then cite inefficiency as a defining trait.
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Post#15 » by reapaman » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:19 pm

I said he will be either ineffecient or slightly ineffecient, never said it was a defining trait just a likely outcome. Not a given at all. And I know Kevin Martin was considered highly effecient for most of his career and he was sure. But I won't go into it much now but all I gotta say to Martin's consistent effeciency for most of his career is what would he be had the "kevin Martin rule" (dont' know what its called but I'm calling it that) was in place way before last year. That rule benefited him way to much and you can just look at last year of how much it hurt him. So I'm comparing Burks to Martin without that rule which is hard to imagine but I'ma do it anyway.

Martin is a better shooter sure and Burks is probley better at everything else (not by that much but still a noticable difference). I don't think those difference really drastically differentiate their styles of play from each other. I mean even though Martin is a purer shooter, he doesn't play like ray allen or reggie Miller do despite taking around as many threes as they do. I see Burks taking more threes in the future and his shot will start looking more similar to Kevin Martin as he gets better. I think Burks is a slightly better Kevin Martin without the "Kevin Martin" rule.
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Post#16 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:31 pm

Will he see minutes?
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Post#17 » by Sparky6string » Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:09 am

Martin was my first thought as well but he is too wispy- Burks plays with more power. I think Burks will develop shooting as he gains confidence with playing time. Also his tunnel vision with the hoop does remind me of Tyreke some, but he has time and patient teachers to teach him to look around on the way. His ability to penetrate can lead to easy assists if he can take advantage of it. I remember at one time he was compared to Wade and maybe in time those comparisons will return.
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Post#18 » by countrybama24 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:28 pm

Coming off the bench: 12 pts / 44% FG / 1.7 ast / 37% from three/ 1 TO / 1 stl(around like 23 min)

Starting: 15.5 pts / 45% FG / 2.6 asts / 37% from three / 1.4 TO / 1.3 stls (around like 30 min)

Full time starting, if we let him handle the ball, I still see him as a 18ppg kinda guy.
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Post#19 » by Jefff » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:36 pm

i think this guy has great upside.... if he can improve as a point guard he'll become pretty unstoppable on O and very good on D. Otherwise he'll be a good 2.
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