GT PS #6 Vs Axis of Evil Oct 23 7PM

[BigSlam]

SMH at trading Biz talk so soon.

I'm not sure it is ever too soon to talk about ways of improving the team.

[HornetJail]

Stop the Biz trade talk already, it's not happening unless we get a ridiculous offer. The kid is 20 with a ton of room for improvement. You're overreacting over a goddamn PRE-SEASON game.

[fatlever]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... bcats.html

bonnell chimes in with some observations. the talks about offense, jeff taylor, sessions, higgins and tyrus.

[Kembastockton]

You guys catch that blocked dunk attempt last night? The whole stadium went eww even though most of them were supporting Miami.

[BigSlam]

Stop the Biz trade talk already, it's not happening unless we get a ridiculous offer. The kid is 20 with a ton of room for improvement. You're overreacting over a goddamn PRE-SEASON game.

Not really. He got worse as last season went on and was awful during SL as well.

[Kembastockton]

Stop the Biz trade talk already, it's not happening unless we get a ridiculous offer. The kid is 20 with a ton of room for improvement. You're overreacting over a goddamn PRE-SEASON game.

Not really. He got worse as last season went on and was awful during SL as well.

That still does not take away from the fact that he is only 20, smart, and already defensively sound. We can't trade him unless someone offers us a steal, because we have no idea how good he will eventually get. I imagine that he is sure to be a top 5 shotblocker one day if nothing else.

[HornetJail]

I imagine that he is sure to be a top 5 shotblocker one day if nothing else.

I would hope so, isn't he top 10 already?

[Bassman]

Stop the Biz trade talk already, it's not happening unless we get a ridiculous offer. The kid is 20 with a ton of room for improvement. You're overreacting over a goddamn PRE-SEASON game.

Not really. He got worse as last season went on and was awful during SL as well.

That still does not take away from the fact that he is only 20, smart, and already defensively sound. We can't trade him unless someone offers us a steal, because we have no idea how good he will eventually get. I imagine that he is sure to be a top 5 shotblocker one day if nothing else.

Let me compare Biz to another reach of a player the Cats drafted, Alexis Ajinca. Cho fell in love with this raw kid, Larry Brown fell in love with Ajinca. Both were impressed by workouts, even though both players had very little real basketball experience. While Biz is a far better athlete than the french stringbean was, he has hands of stone with no touch around the basket, poor shooting mechanics and a basic lack of basketball instinct. His key skill is shotblocking, but his rebounding production is poor. Ajinca had some nice touch around the basket, and a decent jump shot in practice, but never translated that to production on the court. He was not strong enough to contend on the post and lost position with regularity. BOTH players suffer from poor footwork (Ajinca slightly worse).

Why do I compare these guys? Two reasons. Many here on this board said to keep believing in Ajinca, as he needed time to get better and learn the game. Same thing is happening here for Biz, and understandably so. But both of these guys were picked on sheer "potential", even though they had barely played the game. Biz can certainly get up and down the court, and has some YouTube block moments, but he's had an entire off-season to work on his game, and he has indeed WORKED on it, but his many flaws remain. Unlike Ajinca, Biz can be part of a rotation, but his future is not as a starter (undersized, little offensive skills, BBIQ, foul magnet). If I could trade him for a promising true post big, I would seriously consider it.

[BigSlam]

Stop the Biz trade talk already, it's not happening unless we get a ridiculous offer. The kid is 20 with a ton of room for improvement. You're overreacting over a goddamn PRE-SEASON game.

Not really. He got worse as last season went on and was awful during SL as well.

That still does not take away from the fact that he is only 20, smart, and already defensively sound.

And so is Kanter - but he is also advanced on offense, a great rebounder and has better size.

Look, I'm not hating on Biz, I just want to get better.

[BigSlam]

Let me compare Biz to another reach of a player the Cats drafted, Alexis Ajinca. Cho fell in love with this raw kid, Larry Brown fell in love with Ajinca. Both were impressed by workouts, even though both players had very little real basketball experience. While Biz is a far better athlete than the french stringbean was, he has hands of stone with no touch around the basket, poor shooting mechanics and a basic lack of basketball instinct. His key skill is shotblocking, but his rebounding production is poor. Ajinca had some nice touch around the basket, and a decent jump shot in practice, but never translated that to production on the court. He was not strong enough to contend on the post and lost position with regularity. BOTH players suffer from poor footwork (Ajinca slightly worse).

Why do I compare these guys? Two reasons. Many here on this board said to keep believing in Ajinca, as he needed time to get better and learn the game. Same thing is happening here for Biz, and understandably so. But both of these guys were picked on sheer "potential", even though they had barely played the game. Biz can certainly get up and down the court, and has some YouTube block moments, but he's had an entire off-season to work on his game, and he has indeed WORKED on it, but his many flaws remain. Unlike Ajinca, Biz can be part of a rotation, but his future is not as a starter (undersized, little offensive skills, BBIQ, foul magnet). If I could trade him for a promising true post big, I would seriously consider it.

Bad comparison IMO.

Biz has a MUCH better work ethic and attitude.

And was drafted a dozen spots higher.

[Eoghan]

I can almost guarantee you that if BIz was being coached by somebody like Kevin McHale you'd see a dramatic turnaround in his ability. Let's face facts. The Bobcats suck at developing bigs. Our best big ever in franchise history by a large margin is Okafor who essentially has stayed the same player since his rookie year.

Biz has improved though, he's bulked up noticeably and improved his free throw form a lot. It's completely asinine to write Biz off based on this rash of preseason games under a new coach that is tinkering with lineups and new additions to the roster. Otherwise, let's trade MKG and Jeff Taylor while we're at it.

[SWedd523]

Let me compare Biz to another reach of a player the Cats drafted, Alexis Ajinca. Cho fell in love with this raw kid, Larry Brown fell in love with Ajinca. Both were impressed by workouts, even though both players had very little real basketball experience. While Biz is a far better athlete than the french stringbean was, he has hands of stone with no touch around the basket, poor shooting mechanics and a basic lack of basketball instinct. His key skill is shotblocking, but his rebounding production is poor. Ajinca had some nice touch around the basket, and a decent jump shot in practice, but never translated that to production on the court. He was not strong enough to contend on the post and lost position with regularity. BOTH players suffer from poor footwork (Ajinca slightly worse).

Why do I compare these guys? Two reasons. Many here on this board said to keep believing in Ajinca, as he needed time to get better and learn the game. Same thing is happening here for Biz, and understandably so. But both of these guys were picked on sheer "potential", even though they had barely played the game. Biz can certainly get up and down the court, and has some YouTube block moments, but he's had an entire off-season to work on his game, and he has indeed WORKED on it, but his many flaws remain. Unlike Ajinca, Biz can be part of a rotation, but his future is not as a starter (undersized, little offensive skills, BBIQ, foul magnet). If I could trade him for a promising true post big, I would seriously consider it.

Comparing Bismack to a turtle would make about as much sense.



Let's address some of your incorrect information

Workouts? Yes Lexy was awesome during pre-draft workouts, but Bismack was not. Go look up the video of him losing a workout to a chair.

Undersized? Less than an inch shorter than the premier Center in the league and has one of the longest wingspans in the entire league.

Poor rebounding? His rebounding percentage as a rookie was 14.5%. That's higher than guys like Taj Gibson, Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh, LaMarcus Aldridge, etc.

Foul magnet? He only averaged 2.3 fouls per game. His foul rate is equal to Roy Hibbert and Serge Ibaka and lower than many other great shot blockers like Taj Gibson,, DeAndre Jordan, JaVale McGee, and Samuel Dalembert


He's also shown an attitude and work ethic that put Ajinca to shame.



I understand you have the whole "woe is me" thing going, but you're fabricating a ton of disinformation to justify a position that simply isn't defensible. Bismack showed much more last year than any of us (and experts) were expecting and is well ahead of his projected learning curve.

[doc.end]

I see the issues and if he wouldn't be such a hrad working great kid (in his case it is hardly a cliché) I would raise them as well. Age is not a skill though, being young doesn't mean you can be better neither you will be better.

He wouldn't be first to experience a somphomore slump (albeit las season being a bit specific, especially for him because of contract issues. It seems like he may actually regressed under Dunlap, but surely hope is not lost. On the other hand it is hard to make conclusions from his last year numbers as he both had awful game lately in the season last year and he is yet to have strong showing in pre-season (partially because of lack of PT, sometimes). He surely was among top 10 shotblockers last year, better if you use advanced stats. That does not mean he will repeat that this season, although it would be a letdown if he won't.

Trade is out of question - regardless of him being our pick, FO invested in him in draft (and contract issues solving), his value throughout the league may not be that high.

Lexy is not a best guy to compare. And while he (Lex) impressed in a workout, Bismack was scouted month ago by Cho in Spain. While there can be an argument about who was the first option for that 20th pick, whether Lexy or someone else, Bismack was clearly our target. And personality wise, I can't see anything those two would share in common. Any resemblance seems to be them both being foreign big men with considerable potential and unbalanced game (each one ddifferent way though). If we look at Bismack's impact last year it was already more than Ajinca ever had.

[Kembastockton]

Let me compare Biz to another reach of a player the Cats drafted, Alexis Ajinca. Cho fell in love with this raw kid, Larry Brown fell in love with Ajinca. Both were impressed by workouts, even though both players had very little real basketball experience. While Biz is a far better athlete than the french stringbean was, he has hands of stone with no touch around the basket, poor shooting mechanics and a basic lack of basketball instinct. His key skill is shotblocking, but his rebounding production is poor. Ajinca had some nice touch around the basket, and a decent jump shot in practice, but never translated that to production on the court. He was not strong enough to contend on the post and lost position with regularity. BOTH players suffer from poor footwork (Ajinca slightly worse).

Why do I compare these guys? Two reasons. Many here on this board said to keep believing in Ajinca, as he needed time to get better and learn the game. Same thing is happening here for Biz, and understandably so. But both of these guys were picked on sheer "potential", even though they had barely played the game. Biz can certainly get up and down the court, and has some YouTube block moments, but he's had an entire off-season to work on his game, and he has indeed WORKED on it, but his many flaws remain. Unlike Ajinca, Biz can be part of a rotation, but his future is not as a starter (undersized, little offensive skills, BBIQ, foul magnet). If I could trade him for a promising true post big, I would seriously consider it.

Comparing Bismack to a turtle would make about as much sense.



Let's address some of your incorrect information

Workouts? Yes Lexy was awesome during pre-draft workouts, but Bismack was not. Go look up the video of him losing a workout to a chair.

Undersized? Less than an inch shorter than the premier Center in the league and has one of the longest wingspans in the entire league.

Poor rebounding? His rebounding percentage as a rookie was 14.5%. That's higher than guys like Taj Gibson, Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh, LaMarcus Aldridge, etc.

Foul magnet? He only averaged 2.3 fouls per game. His foul rate is equal to Roy Hibbert and Serge Ibaka and lower than many other great shot blockers like Taj Gibson,, DeAndre Jordan, JaVale McGee, and Samuel Dalembert


He's also shown an attitude and work ethic that put Ajinca to shame.



I understand you have the whole "woe is me" thing going, but you're fabricating a ton of disinformation to justify a position that simply isn't defensible. Bismack showed much more last year than any of us (and experts) were expecting and is well ahead of his projected learning curve.

I agree with everything that you said I just want to add one more thing. Bassman also attacked Biz's basketball iq. That also is false. Biz has only been playing organized basketball for a few years, and is now being asked to play against the best big men in the world. How many rookie centers have 12 pt. 7 block games against Dwight Howard. Biz is a work in progress, but at only 20 years old there is no reason to believe that he cannot be a very servicable starter in a few years.