James Harden traded to the Rockets

SCourGe OF GoD · Post #521 » by **SCourGe OF GoD** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:18 am

jym85 wrote:The Rockets would look pretty good if they still had Scola and Dragic

Dragic in particular ..but he wanted a player option. I think more trades are to come for Morey because they still have to many prospects at the same position ...

These prospects should be packaged in some way..

Donatas Montiejunas
Patrick Patterson
Royce White
Marcus Morris
Jujan Johnson

With TJones being the starting PF

Little Digger · Post #522 » by **Little Digger** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:19 am

lol at all the Martin defenders on here..I'll bet you'd even defend Bad Porn. (Corey Maggette)

Ayt · Post #523 » by **Ayt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:19 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:
bertrob wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Thunder pushed final offer to Harden to 4 years, $53M-$54M, sources tell Y! When that couldn't get deal done, Presti moved into trade mode.

James Harden wanted 10% more money over being on a potential dynasty?

The OKC owner let a potential dynasty go because of a 10% raise for a Harden? He's so cheap he could swing another $2M per year to create a dynasty?

OlDirtMcBert · Post #524 » by **OlDirtMcBert** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:19 am

Lol, it's amazing how many forum posters on here are better talent evaluaters than Sam Presti...the guy that took Westbrook and got ridiculed for it. Then took Harden, and got ridiculed for it because there was Tyreke (whos option didn't even get picked up, btw) and Curry. Do you guys think Presti didn't evaluate Lamb? PLUS three picks on top of their own 1st? Harden was leaving, so he made lemonade out of lemons. Martin is a big expiring deal, which might as well be called " the target" for trade seekers at the deadline. And if you think a struggling team will turn down three 1st round picks for a top ten, I'm not so sure. Sam Presti is evil.

deNIEd · Post #525 » by **deNIEd** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:19 am

Stephano wrote:OKC was in the best position possible in basketball, being both a win now and a future team, idk what people are talking about when they say OKC traded for their future, acting as if James Harden is 30 years old or something.

Because OKC isn't LA and isn't able to pay the luxury tax to the extent that LA can.

When people say it''s for OKC's future, it is implying that this move still allows OKC to spend money to fulfill other needs in the future and makes the team more flexible in extending other players. It also gives them 3 additional draft picks, and I don't think there is a single GM with a better proven track record of drafting players over the past half decade.

Leor_77 · Post #526 » by **Leor_77** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:20 am

I'm a very happy Lakers fan right now. We're very familiar with what Martin can (and cannot) do, and we'll definitely take it!! Martin cannot affect the entire game like Harden can (besides the finals). Lamb will need some time to develop.

jumpshooter · Post #527 » by **jumpshooter** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:20 am

You guys who compare Harden to Joe Johnson, or say that it's easy to play next to Durant and Westbrook... Have you ever seen this fella play? Because I don't know if you've noticed, but in the last couple of years in the last minutes of every game, the ball has been on Harden's hands. Not Durant's, not Westbrook's. And he's been the one making the plays, either scoring or assisting, basically their most important player in the clutch. We're not talking about Daniel Gibson here who sometimes looked like the best shooter in the world thanks to LeBron making plays for him. Harden has been the guy making plays FOR Durant and Westbrook. Harden is going to be a 20-25/5/5 guy in Houston and getting a max for the next 5-8 years of his career, he's got to be ecstatic. Thunder in the other hand will not be contenders in at least a couple of years, if ever.

Little Digger · Post #528 » by **Little Digger** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:20 am

Dumars was Sam Presti..Everybody flops at some point..

C-izMe · Post #529 » by **C-izMe** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:20 am

Ayt wrote:
C-izMe wrote:
Well I notice your criteria wouldn't include Martin. Clever.

He's just as bad as Harden but at least they got another defender in Lamb too and Kmart is really just a place holder.

Lamb is a plus as a defender? What?

Potentially. He's definetly going to be better than Harden.

karkinos · Post #530 » by **karkinos** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:21 am

huge for the rox
lamb is gonna b legit

SCourGe OF GoD · Post #531 » by **SCourGe OF GoD** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:21 am

Warned

Scubetrolis · Post #532 » by **Scubetrolis** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:21 am

This makes no sense for OKC...why wouldn't you play through this season...I don't think James Harden is Kobe, but in order to win, you need to have players like this. Kevin Martin is awful. Draft picks are usually awful. You dream of drafting players like Harden, and now you traded him at like 23 years old. So amazingly dumb.

Rockets lost in this trade too lol...this is the worst big trade. No team really helped themselves. rockets locking up that perennial 7-10 seed though lol.

Post #533 » by **rsavaj** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:21 am

LoneyROY wrote:Kristin Chenoweth disapproves.

Kristin Chenoweth ‏@KChenoweth
Someone better tell me Harden did NOT get traded to the Rockets.

Kristin Chenoweth ‏@KChenoweth
This is a massive mistake losing Harden to the Rockets. Huge.

I did not expect her to be an NBA fan.

StitchJones · Post #534 » by **StitchJones** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:21 am

fallacy wrote:Harden always said that he would sacrifice a little bit of money to say with this team. OKC offered 6 million dollars off of max and Harden turned it down. Everyone on this team who has signed has sacrificed some money (maybe except Durant).

Apparently Harden was all talk and lied to all of the fans, I don't blame him for lying but he did. This is how OKC and Presti are, they don't back down. Now we'll see if this way of working hurts them

Harden is still a young guy, and in the end i bet his agent gave him the fact that he needs to look at his ENTIRE career. Sure it's only 10-12 million for the next couple season, but if he stays in this role for the next 7 then it means a LOT of money. Plus there is also something to be said for believing you can be more than Alfred to Durant and Westbrook's batman and Robin.

Neutral 123 · Post #535 » by **Neutral 123** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:22 am

C-izMe wrote:
Well I notice your criteria wouldn't include Martin. Clever.

He's just as bad as Harden but at least they got another defender in Lamb too and Kmart is really just a place holder.

Geez. That's just ridiculous man.

Tirion · Post #536 » by **Tirion** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:22 am

fallacy wrote:Also, Harden playing like **** in the playoffs and even worse in the preseason when they let him be "the man" without Westbrook/Durant playing didn't help his cause for max.

EDIT: AND Ibaka looked amazing in the preseason kind of made Harden expendable because they want to use Ibaka more

Don Draper · Post #537 » by **Don Draper** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:22 am

C-izMe wrote:How could they get rid of this obvious first option! Midrange games are sooo overrated.

Also KMart is more effective from everywhere but the rim. And playing with Westbrook/KD can change that fast.

I'd like to know which version of Kevin Martin you guys have watched lately.

C-izMe · Post #538 » by **C-izMe** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:23 am

jumpshooter wrote:You guys who compare Harden to Joe Johnson, or say that it's easy to play next to Durant and Westbrook... Have you ever seen this fella play? Because I don't know if you've noticed, but in the last couple of years in the last minutes of every game, the ball has been on Harden's hands. Not Durant's, not Westbrook's. And he's been the one making the plays, either scoring or assisting, basically their most important player in the clutch. We're not talking about Daniel Gibson here who sometimes looked like the best shooter in the world thanks to LeBron making plays for him. Harden has been the guy making plays FOR Durant and Westbrook. Harden is going to be a 20-25/5/5 guy in Houston and getting a max for the next 5-8 years of his career, he's got to be ecstatic. Thunder in the other hand will not be contenders in at least a couple of years, if ever.

James is that you?

Maybe if this was close to true I would believe it wasn't you but go to 82games and look at what Harden does in the clutch and compare it to the uber clutch Durant/Westbrook pairing. Then eat crow.

sisibilio · Post #539 » by **sisibilio** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:24 am

Archerbro wrote:
TheBigThree wrote:
TheToothFairy wrote:People are overrating harden. He is AWFUL in the finals. Martin and Lamb plus 3 picks???

Precisely. Harden isn't a #1 option.

OKC might miss out on the finals this year because of the trade, but this is a brilliant move for them for the next 5 years.

at the same time, even if they keep martin for the max (theoretically). That's a guaranteed at least 1 title over the next 5 years with westbrook harden durant.

Guarantee my ass. They had a good chance at being in the finals for a few years as they were, but still a healthy Mami would be heavily favored.

Neutral 123 · Post #540 » by **Neutral 123** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:24 am

Scubetrolis wrote:This makes no sense for OKC...why wouldn't you play through this season...I don't think James Harden is Kobe, but in order to win, you need to have players like this. Kevin Martin is awful. Draft picks are usually awful. You dream of drafting players like Harden, and now you traded him at like 23 years old. So amazingly dumb.

Rockets lost in this trade too lol...this is the worst big trade. No team really helped themselves. rockets locking up that perennial 7-10 seed though lol.

Exactly, you'd think it was Presti who took that Artest elbow to the head.