James Harden traded to the Rockets

Ayt · Post #601 » by **Ayt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:41 am

TheToothFairy wrote:People are overrating harden. He is AWFUL in the finals. Martin and Lamb plus 3 picks???

And he was incredible prior to the Finals. He buried SA in the WCF. What is your point?

jym85 · Post #602 » by **jym85** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:42 am

bertrob wrote:Is the Mavs pick unprotected?

top 20 protected for a couple more seasons

fallacy · Post #603 » by **fallacy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:42 am

Some random things from OKC

1. PJIII is going to actually get playing time now, which is great. Potential to be a better Jeff Green

2. Maynor gets to go back to being the second team playmaker, which he excels at. (not to the level of Harden)

3. If they use Martin as a spot up shooter, he's very good in that role.

4. OKC is going to play very small this year with lots of Durant at the 4, think Miami Heat.

The Hypnotoad · Post #604 » by **The Hypnotoad** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:42 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:ESPN reporting that OKC's best offer was $55.5 million. So Harden basically bailed out on a potential dynasty for $4.5 million. Hope he spends that money more wisely than Antoine Walker did.

I think we'll find out soon enough that Harden maybe wanted a starting role on the team. Probably another "I want to be the Man" situation :roll:

Ayt · Post #605 » by **Ayt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:42 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:ESPN reporting that OKC's best offer was $55.5 million. So Harden basically bailed out on a potential dynasty for $4.5 million. Hope he spends that money more wisely than Antoine Walker did.

More like the OKC owner bailed on a potential dynasty over $4.5M. How much is he worth? That 4.5M was just too much for him?

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #606 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:42 am

Guy986 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
I was looking at Martin's PER and WS/48 from when he was 24. They are not too different from Harden at 22.

Martin shot very well in preseason and appears to be on the verge of a bounce back year. It's about as good as the Thunder were going to get under the circumstances.

No Rocket fans are shedding tear over the departure of Kevin Martin. When you watch him play basketball you'll know why.

We are pissed at the inclusion of Lamb and Tor pick.

You have to give to get. Lamb is obviously the key to the deal for OKC. That guy's shooting is beyond good.

I still think Martin can be flipped for another player. If I am the Thunder I turn right around and trade Martin for someone like Josh Smith.

Muggsy Bogues · Post #607 » by **Muggsy Bogues** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:43 am

LoneyROY wrote:Yeah, God forbid a kid seeking the most money he can get in his first big NBA contract.

This isn't a 10 year vet here.

God forbid that an owner in one of the league's tiniest markets tries to make a profit. The same arguments work for both of 'em.

Kupchak9 · Post #608 » by **Kupchak9** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:43 am

Kupchak9 wrote:
C-izMe wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:Truly amazing that taking a 44% TS% shot from 18 feet more often than the other guy is now considered a strength, particularly for a guy that's playing off 2 guys with midrange games.

Hurrah! Kevin Martin can shoot those long 2's with the best of em!

Name one first option without a midrange game. Don't worry, I'll wait.

Rose had no midrange game by the time he was an All-Star, Tony Parker today as their leading scorer still doesnt have a midrange game.

Sedale Threatt · Post #609 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:43 am

Muggsy Bogues wrote:Conversely, it's not Clay Bennett's fault that James Harden is more concerned about money than winning a championship. I rather doubt he'll ever have the chance to compete for one again... as for OKC, with Westbrook and Durant locked up long-term, they have a better chance.

I don't have any sympathy for Bennett, either. Why bother buying the team if you're going to quibble over such a small amount of money in the big picture?

Mars · Post #610 » by **Mars** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:43 am

sunskerr · Post #611 » by **sunskerr** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:44 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I still think Martin can be flipped for another player. If I am the Thunder I turn right around and trade Martin for someone like Josh Smith.

Good luck with that.

Guy986 · Post #612 » by **Guy986** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:44 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Guy986 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
I was looking at Martin's PER and WS/48 from when he was 24. They are not too different from Harden at 22.

Martin shot very well in preseason and appears to be on the verge of a bounce back year. It's about as good as the Thunder were going to get under the circumstances.

No Rocket fans are shedding tear over the departure of Kevin Martin. When you watch him play basketball you'll know why.

We are pissed at the inclusion of Lamb and Tor pick.

You have to give to get. Lamb is obviously the key to the deal for OKC. That guy's shooting is beyond good.

I still think Martin can be flipped for another player. If I am the Thunder I turn right around and trade Martin for someone like Josh Smith.

If Martin can be flipped for Smith, he would've been traded before Harden was available.

C-izMe · Post #613 » by **C-izMe** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:44 am

therealbig3 wrote:
C-izMe wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:Truly amazing that taking a 44% TS% shot from 18 feet more often than the other guy is now considered a strength, particularly for a guy that's playing off 2 guys with midrange games.

Hurrah! Kevin Martin can shoot those long 2's with the best of em!

Name one first option without a midrange game. Don't worry, I'll wait.

How does he not have a midrange game? Because he chooses not to shoot from there?

Wade was a mediocre midrange shooter in 07 and 08. LeBron was a terrible midrange shooter before 09.

Wade is well great from 3-15. Harden is terrible from anywhere in between the rim and three point line. Wade is a beast from everywhere but 16+ where he's still at least reliable and very good when it matters (he's always shot way better in the PS).

jym85 · Post #614 » by **jym85** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:44 am

jym85 wrote:
bertrob wrote:Is the Mavs pick unprotected?

top 20 protected for a couple more seasons

protected top 20 in 2012-17, unprotected in 2018

OneWhoKnocks · Post #615 » by **OneWhoKnocks** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:44 am

I bet Laker fans are celebrating right now. Shame Harden decided to ruin a potential dynasty for some measly 5 mil. OKC is a small market team they can't afford that many max players so don't give me that crap that they were cheap.

Muggsy Bogues · Post #616 » by **Muggsy Bogues** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:45 am

Ayt wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:ESPN reporting that OKC's best offer was $55.5 million. So Harden basically bailed out on a potential dynasty for $4.5 million. Hope he spends that money more wisely than Antoine Walker did.

More like the OKC owner bailed on a potential dynasty over $4.5M. How much is he worth?

$400 million. How much of that is liquid assets, I can't say.

MikeM · Post #617 » by **MikeM** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:45 am

Something doesn't seem right to me about this trade. Dude gets dealt over such a small difference on their first negotiation?

It's like Presti just snapped for one reason or another. Like either he was looking for a reason to trade Harden or Harden's desire for the max pissed him off.

Sedale Threatt · Post #618 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:45 am

Ayt wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:ESPN reporting that OKC's best offer was $55.5 million. So Harden basically bailed out on a potential dynasty for $4.5 million. Hope he spends that money more wisely than Antoine Walker did.

More like the OKC owner bailed on a potential dynasty over $4.5M. How much is he worth? That 4.5M was just too much for him?

I blame him, too. Whole situation is pretty silly.

Post #619 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:46 am

MikeM wrote:Something doesn't seem right to me about this trade. Dude gets dealt over such a small difference on their first negotiation?

It's like Presti just snapped for one reason or another. Like either he was looking for a reason to trade Harden or Harden's desire for the max pissed him off.

I think that there was a limit that was pre-agreed upon by management and ownership. If Harden wants more than X, we deal him. That simple.

fallacy · Post #620 » by **fallacy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:46 am

Houston will give Harden a 5 year/80 million dollar extension.