James Harden traded to the Rockets

Dupp · Post #901 » by **Dupp** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:10 am

^ I dont think hardens anywhere near Durant but i think it was a horrible trade for them.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #902 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:17 am

from some asian forum, if posted already: sorry.

sunskerr · Post #903 » by **sunskerr** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:18 am

Lightning25 wrote:It looks like Harden is one of the more polarizing players on here.

The people saying the Thunder won the deal or got a good deal are the ones who don't think too highly of Harden such as myself.

The people saying the Thunder lost the deal and are no longer contenders are the ones that think Harden is a superstar, future superstar, or as good as Durant.

A poll would be good right now.

only a sith deals in absolutes

:starwars

East_Coast · Post #904 » by **East_Coast** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:22 am

therealbig3 wrote:Just because he came off the bench doesn't mean he wasn't incredibly important to that team.

And a very strong case can be made that Harden was the 2nd best player for the Thunder, and that he was their best offensive player.

Not a chance. Harden better than either Durant or Westbrook? :lol:

The presence of two of the top 10 players in the league made Harden's job easy. All he had to do was come in and light it up against second-stringers. Teams typically didn't gear defenses toward stopping him, because they had to deal with KD and Westbrook.

Now that he's a #1 option, we'll see how Harden does. I've said for over a year that he was overrated because of his situation, and that if traded he would be exposed.

Now, he's on the perfect team. You have Lin, who was great for two weeks, and Harden who owed much of his success to teams havinig to focus on two of his teammates. Both of them have a lot to prove this year, and it will be interesting to watch. I think they'll both fail, but we'll see what happens.

Nono · Post #905 » by **Nono** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:26 am

East_Coast wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Just because he came off the bench doesn't mean he wasn't incredibly important to that team.

And a very strong case can be made that Harden was the 2nd best player for the Thunder, and that he was their best offensive player.

Not a chance. Harden better than either Durant or Westbrook?

The presence of two of the top 10 players in the league made Harden's job easy. All he had to do was come in and light it up against second-stringers. Teams typically didn't gear defenses toward stopping him, because they had to deal with KD and Westbrook.

Now that he's a #1 option, we'll see how Harden does. I've said for over a year that he was overrated because of his situation, and that if traded he would be exposed.

Now, he's on the perfect team. You have Lin, who was great for two weeks, and Harden who owed much of his success to teams havinig to focus on two of his teammates. Both of them have a lot to prove this year, and it will be interesting to watch. I think they'll both fail, but we'll see what happens.

Harden's efficiency was greater with Westbrook and Durant on the bench then it was when they were on the court.

therealbig3 · Post #906 » by **therealbig3** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:30 am

Nono wrote:
East_Coast wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Just because he came off the bench doesn't mean he wasn't incredibly important to that team.

And a very strong case can be made that Harden was the 2nd best player for the Thunder, and that he was their best offensive player.

Not a chance. Harden better than either Durant or Westbrook?

The presence of two of the top 10 players in the league made Harden's job easy. All he had to do was come in and light it up against second-stringers. Teams typically didn't gear defenses toward stopping him, because they had to deal with KD and Westbrook.

Now that he's a #1 option, we'll see how Harden does. I've said for over a year that he was overrated because of his situation, and that if traded he would be exposed.

Now, he's on the perfect team. You have Lin, who was great for two weeks, and Harden who owed much of his success to teams havinig to focus on two of his teammates. Both of them have a lot to prove this year, and it will be interesting to watch. I think they'll both fail, but we'll see what happens.

Harden's efficiency was greater with Westbrook and Durant on the bench then it was when they were on the court.

For some reason, people keep ignoring this, despite it being posted like 4 or 5 times. "But he was going up against 2nd stringers!" In the playoffs, he wasn't, and he was still lighting opposing teams up.

boogie-reke · Post #907 » by **boogie-reke** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:32 am

Lightning25 wrote:

I wanted OKC to trade him but this was totally unexpected.

My reaction EXACTLY :rofl:

boogie-reke · Post #908 » by **boogie-reke** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:33 am

PS. Is OKC now the team with the biggest cumulative wingspan EVER?

Lightning25 · Post #909 » by **Lightning25** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:34 am

Nono wrote:
Harden's efficiency was greater with Westbrook and Durant on the bench then it was when they were on the court.

Westbrook and Durant were on the bench when they were playing the 2nd unit so you just confirmed his point that Harden took care of a bunch of 2nd stringers.

East_Coast · Post #910 » by **East_Coast** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:37 am

therealbig3 wrote:For some reason, people keep ignoring this, despite it being posted like 4 or 5 times. "But he was going up against 2nd stringers!" In the playoffs, he wasn't, and he was still lighting opposing teams up.

People keep ignoring it because its a rotten stat, if its even true.

There is no doubt that Harden benefitted from playing with KD and Westbrook. Now that he's with Lin, we'll see how the two of them do without the protection of better teammates.

Lightning25 · Post #911 » by **Lightning25** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:43 am

East_Coast wrote:People keep ignoring it because its a rotten stat, if its even true.

There is no doubt that Harden benefitted from playing with KD and Westbrook. Now that he's with Lin, we'll see how the two of them do without the protection of better teammates.

The argument for Harden is more legit than the argument for Lin. Lin had his best games when Melo and Amare were out, especially Melo.

boogie-reke · Post #912 » by **boogie-reke** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:46 am

StitchJones wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:
wfiles wrote:
wow..you'd break up with your fiancee for money? i feel sorry for your fiancee for marrying a scumbag like you.

$26 mil can buy a lot of happiness despite what they say in movies.

And this is worth WAY more than 26 million.

How much would Harden command at 27 and being a 6th man for 4 years averaging 17 4 and 4?

How much would he command after four years of starting having all star appearances and averaging 22 5 and 5.

If he plays at that level he will make 100 million more over the course of his career. It's a pretty big deal.

How much would he command if he broke both his legs next month?

SCourGe OF GoD · Post #913 » by **SCourGe OF GoD** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:48 am

bledredwine wrote:OKC would have been in CAP nightmare for years with 3 max players and Ibaka.

Great defensive anchors like Ibaka (with potential) are hard to fine... they want to keep that. Harden was awesome, but OKC as a small market has to pull moves like this to keep contending for years to come.

Draft/Trade.... and with Lamb and how ever many draft picks they got alongside Martin, that's 1 guaranteed and then you'd think that the chances of one other player being very good are quite high (assuming these are lotto picks)

It's about as good as they can do, and they didn't let him walk.

Yeah looks that way...especially when ur biggest competition out west (Spurs, Lakers) are an inside out team. Before Perkins and Ibaka that team with Nenad Kristic and Collison was abused inside

East_Coast · Post #914 » by **East_Coast** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:50 am

Lightning25 wrote:The argument for Harden is more legit than the argument for Lin. Lin had his best games when Melo and Amare were out, especially Melo.

No, Lin had his best games when teams still weren't game-planning specifically to stop him. Once teams got tape and started putting some Heat on him, his shooting % dropped like a stone.

Harden and Lin are both in essentially the same boat -- lots and lots to prove this year.

Chet Wagner · Post #915 » by **Chet Wagner** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:56 am

therealbig3 wrote:
edfmx86 wrote:ok now it feels like you all are just overrating James Harden. Lets not forget who the real deputies in this city really are. They'll miss Harden, but they won't suffer without him.

Just because he came off the bench doesn't mean he wasn't incredibly important to that team.

And a very strong case can be made that Harden was the 2nd best player for the Thunder, and that he was their best offensive player.

This is so incredibly stupid it's unreal

Hero · Post #916 » by **Hero** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:58 am

So what's the chances of Lin and Harden as the starting point guards in the All star game>

xclearscreen · Post #917 » by **xclearscreen** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:01 am

East_Coast wrote:
Lightning25 wrote:The argument for Harden is more legit than the argument for Lin. Lin had his best games when Melo and Amare were out, especially Melo.

No, Lin had his best games when teams still weren't game-planning specifically to stop him. Once teams got tape and started putting some Heat on him, his shooting % dropped like a stone.

Harden and Lin are both in essentially the same boat -- lots and lots to prove this year.

and when was this genius? after he lit New Jersey up? or after he lit LA up? who the hell were teams game-planning if not Lin?

therealbig3 · Post #918 » by **therealbig3** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:01 am

Chet Wagner wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:
edfmx86 wrote:ok now it feels like you all are just overrating James Harden. Lets not forget who the real deputies in this city really are. They'll miss Harden, but they won't suffer without him.

Just because he came off the bench doesn't mean he wasn't incredibly important to that team.

And a very strong case can be made that Harden was the 2nd best player for the Thunder, and that he was their best offensive player.

This is so incredibly stupid it's unreal

I clearly pointed out that it's up for debate.

If you don't think it can even be argued, then clearly points are all that matter to you when someone says "offense".

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #919 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:01 am

therealbig3 wrote:
C_Money wrote:If the Thunder didn't overpay for Serge Ibaka they could have kept Harden. What a weird trade! This is insane!

Yeah, I definitely think picking Ibaka over Harden was a mistake.

Personally, I feel that Harden is one of the most overrated players in the league while Ibaka is one of the most underrated. I'd take Ibaka over Harden every day with how the current OKC team is built. Just put the ball in Durant's hands more often and you won't be missing him at all...

Harden was going to ruin that teams chemistry anyways. All he wanted to do in the playoffs/finals was play hero ball, and he's just not good enough to do that. He's a great #2 or #3 option but he'll never lead a team to a championship. He's not a LeBron, Durant, Kobe or Wade level player... he's just not. He's Manu at best and that's just not good enough to be be "the guy" on a championship team.

Andre3822 · Post #920 » by **Andre3822** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:08 am

I think OKC would could of also received better offers, but as I understand it was more about making a statement for Presti, he had to pull the trigger quickly.

As for the move... I don't know, gives me mixed emotions - if Martin can adapt to having a smaller role and maximizing his efficiency then why the hell not?

But who is going to run the 2nd unit? Maynor? Or is it going to be Westbrook running with the 2nd team a lot, he can easily play 40+ I'm sure. One of them has to be on the court at all times definitely now though.