James Harden traded to the Rockets

XcalibuR · Post #1141 » by **XcalibuR** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:38 pm

Lol K-Mart is getting overrated like crazy here. He was beyond awful last season. I mean I hope he bounces back, but last season rocket fans were talking about benching him for Courtney Lee.

Bertrob · Post #1142 » by **Bertrob** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:44 pm

XcalibuR wrote:Lol K-Mart is getting overrated like crazy here. He was beyond awful last season. I mean I hope he bounces back, but last season rocket fans were talking about benching him for Courtney Lee.

You say that like Courtney Lee is bad

XcalibuR · Post #1143 » by **XcalibuR** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:51 pm

bertrob wrote:
XcalibuR wrote:Lol K-Mart is getting overrated like crazy here. He was beyond awful last season. I mean I hope he bounces back, but last season rocket fans were talking about benching him for Courtney Lee.

You say that like Courtney Lee is bad

Courtney Lee is average, but not a starter on a good team. Thats why Morey got rid of him without blinking when he drafted Jeremy Lamb. K-Mart's defence was so awful that despite Lee's lack of offence, he was still just as good of an option.

Sothron · Post #1144 » by **Sothron** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:55 pm

I find it unreal the Rockets are using some salary cap exception that lets them offer Harden an extra year at max salary and are just giving the dude a five year max deal without even seeing how he does without hiding behind Durant and Westbrook.

RoyalWun · Post #1145 » by **RoyalWun** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:56 pm

K-Mart as a first offensive option is bad.
K-Mart as a third offensive option might not be as bad as people are thinking.

OKC is going to be fine.

Houston has to pray Harden takes the qualifying offer and if not they're f***ed.

Sothron · Post #1146 » by **Sothron** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:58 pm

RoyalWun wrote:K-Mart as a first offensive option is bad.
K-Mart as a third offensive option might not be as bad as people are thinking.

OKC is going to be fine.

Houston has to pray Harden takes the qualifying offer and if not they're f***ed.

They aren't doing that. It is already been reported they are giving Harden a five year max deal because of some salary cap exception they can offer him an extra year that he couldn't get elsewhere. Harden already said he's going to sign the five year max deal. I don't know what Houston is thinking. The guy has never had to be the man on a team and now he's being paid max money? Wow.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1147 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:58 pm

nhh90 wrote:Derrick Favors third year. So I believe they are either going to trade him away or dump paul millsap. Favors has shown that he is capable in the minutes he's played.

That's what I was saying. Favors has beast potential and has really looked to be growing every time he's on the court.

He was the centerpiece of the D Will deal.

I was just asking why you thought you could get him for a meager package?

Don't see anyway he's dealt for less then a straight stud, or a top draft pick if they dealt him at all for whatever reason.

Millsap and Jefferson, or at least one of them would seem the obvious to be dealt this year if they can get a pick and some small salary relief for them, which you also mentioned.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1148 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:01 pm

TheToothFairy wrote:
Pattycakes wrote:Question for this entire thread? Why is James Harden so overrated?

He's no all-nba here... K Mart is a "SLIGHTLY" slightly less efficient version of him plus they got possibly the most talented/highest potential rookie SG in the game.

Both teams did pretty well...

People are talking like Harden is the 2nd coming of Kobe...

OJ mayo is as talented

You just caused this to happen in at least 6 homes.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1149 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:03 pm

RoyalWun wrote:K-Mart as a first offensive option is bad.
K-Mart as a third offensive option might not be as bad as people are thinking.

OKC is going to be fine.

Houston has to pray Harden takes the qualifying offer and if not they're f***ed.

Him looking to take the QO would quite literally be the worst thing that could happen to Houston outside of Harden demanding a trade.

Guy986 · Post #1150 » by **Guy986** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:07 pm

commadoor 64 wrote:
nhh90 wrote:thabo played 21 minutes per game. Harden played 31 minutes. That is all that is needed to be said about who they thought was better. The reason why harden came off the bench was because he is one of the best offensive players in the league. They are able to score effectively and rest durant and westbrook. The better players play more minutes.

Harden also became more of a distributer along with Westbrook and was more willing to find the open man, Martin isn't that guy and is more of jump shooter than a playmaker, so now both Durant and Martin are gonna be waiting for the pass. Plus the NBA is taking away the flop part of Martin's game and that's actually a lot of his scoring.

For example.
The numbers posted below are career total minutes played --- frethrows attempted ---- every shot attempted.

Kevin Martin ... 14,489m --- 3140fta --- 5952fga

Monta Ellis ... 15,481m --- 2022fta --- 7042fga
Andre Iguodala ... 23,216m --- 2674 fta --- 7160fga
Joe Johnson ... 30,475m --- 2672fta --- 12,779fga
Ray Allen ... 42,373m --- 4646fta --- 17,761fga
Manu Ginobili ... 18,605 --- 3141fga --- 7170fga
Dwayne Wade ... 22,165 --- 5301fga --- 10,899fga
After looking those up, I was shocked by how many more freethrows Martin has been given especially with so many fewer shots taken.
(also shocked by how many shots D-wade has taken.)

Joe Johnson has taken over 6800 shots than Martin yet has taken over 500 fewer freethrows.

Even Manu, who is known for flopping has only 1 more fta than Martin, although he's had to play over 3000 more minutes and hoist over 1200 shot to get there.

I know it's just posting numbers and all but, it does seem he's getting a lot more attempts than most other players especially compared to the amount of attempted shots taken.

His entire offense outisde of 3 pt shot revolved around pumpfaking then jumping into opponent. Its gone. The NBA patched the glitch last summer.

Ayt · Post #1151 » by **Ayt** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:13 pm

Ditchweed wrote:It's all about money. Harden wanted too much, so trade him to spend less money. That's it, that's all.

It is much more like ownership didn't want to pay him what he clearly was worth so trade him and spend less money.

carayip · Post #1152 » by **carayip** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:16 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
RoyalWun wrote:K-Mart as a first offensive option is bad.
K-Mart as a third offensive option might not be as bad as people are thinking.

OKC is going to be fine.

Houston has to pray Harden takes the qualifying offer and if not they're f***ed.

Him looking to take the QO would quite literally be the worst thing that could happen to Houston outside of Harden demanding a trade.

James Harden is not giving up 80 million lol. We are living in a real adult world, not in some kid fantasy where everyone gives up cash like it's nothing. :lol:

LakerFanMan · Post #1153 » by **LakerFanMan** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:19 pm

James Harden getting the max is scary to me. The guy is good, but he's not worth any where near the max. When I think of max players I think of guys you can build a franchise around, and Harden is not that guy.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1154 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:24 pm

Harden as of now could probably be the 2nd best player on a title team and he's only 23, I'd say max is fine even if it becomes a bit of an overpay.

dkb33 · Post #1155 » by **dkb33** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:46 pm

The Thunder can still start the same starting 5 and now have Collison, Maynor, Martin, Lamb, Jones off the bench.

Prestige · Post #1156 » by **Prestige** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:11 pm

LakerFanMan wrote:James Harden getting the max is scary to me. The guy is good, but he's not worth any where near the max. When I think of max players I think of guys you can build a franchise around, and Harden is not that guy.

So how do you explain Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, and Eric Gordon getting max contracts? Harden is clearly better than all 3 guys. Face it, its about the market, not about how good you think the player is. If there is demand, then somebody will overpay. If Houston didn't overpay him, somebody else would have. That's often the only way to sign a sought after player these days.

Sothron · Post #1157 » by **Sothron** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:18 pm

PRESTIGE wrote:
LakerFanMan wrote:James Harden getting the max is scary to me. The guy is good, but he's not worth any where near the max. When I think of max players I think of guys you can build a franchise around, and Harden is not that guy.

So how do you explain Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, and Eric Gordon getting max contracts? Harden is clearly better than all 3 guys. Face it, its about the market, not about how good you think the player is. If there is demand, then somebody will overpay. If Houston didn't overpay him, somebody else would have. That's often the only way to sign a sought after player these days.

That's exactly how teams get in trouble with the cap or get stuck in neutral in the playoffs for years. As a Hawks fan our franchise was stuck in playoff purgatory because we had to give Joe Johnson a max deal because if we didn't then someone else would have. I'm so glad our new GM got rid of that contract and won't make that mistake again.

dkb33 · Post #1158 » by **dkb33** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:25 pm

PRESTIGE wrote:
LakerFanMan wrote:James Harden getting the max is scary to me. The guy is good, but he's not worth any where near the max. When I think of max players I think of guys you can build a franchise around, and Harden is not that guy.

So how do you explain Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, and Eric Gordon getting max contracts? Harden is clearly better than all 3 guys. Face it, its about the market, not about how good you think the player is. If there is demand, then somebody will overpay. If Houston didn't overpay him, somebody else would have. That's often the only way to sign a sought after player these days.

When you give those kinds of guys those deals I think it is a mistake. Rondo is a better player then Harden and will make less. Harden at the max is being overpaid. Lopez is laughable but Billy King just gave Gerald Wallace 40 million. I think Gordon/Harden are a coin flip in terms of who will be better down the road. To me if your a max guy you better at least make an all nba team every year.

LakerFanMan · Post #1159 » by **LakerFanMan** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:27 pm

PRESTIGE wrote:
LakerFanMan wrote:James Harden getting the max is scary to me. The guy is good, but he's not worth any where near the max. When I think of max players I think of guys you can build a franchise around, and Harden is not that guy.

So how do you explain Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, and Eric Gordon getting max contracts? Harden is clearly better than all 3 guys. Face it, its about the market, not about how good you think the player is. If there is demand, then somebody will overpay. If Houston didn't overpay him, somebody else would have. That's often the only way to sign a sought after player these days.

Bad contracts. Brook Lopez though was a 20/6 center so I think that's not so out there.

dkb33 · Post #1160 » by **dkb33** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:36 pm

The Thunder now have PJ3 & Lamb going forward plus 3 1st round picks. Harden choked in the NCAA tournament and the NBA finals and will max out as a shorter, worse defending prime Joe Johnson. OKC were not winning a title the next couple of years but are now set up beautifully for the future. People think Kevin Martin is a scrub but having his 38% 3pt shot and ability to get to the line should give them everything Harden did in terms of scoring the ball. Great trade considering the circumstances. Better then what Orlando got for Dwight who is a far better player.