James Harden traded to the Rockets

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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1181 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:04 am

OneWhoKnocks wrote:Eric Gordon is better than Harden, don't let Harden's play behind Durant and Westbrook fool you.


No he isn't.. Gordon can barely stay on the floor.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1182 » by Debaser » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:09 am

Too often Gms see players as stats and assets and don't account for chemistry. Ainge traded Perkins, Cuban let Chandler go and now this. Sometimes Gms outsmart themselves.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1183 » by Woolyy » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:09 am

I hope Harden doesn't sign long term with Houston and hits FA next summer. I'd love to see him in Phoenix.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1184 » by TwentyOne920 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:10 am

Harden played around 460 minutes without Durant and Westbrook.

What manner is Eric Gordon better than James Harden apart from points per game?
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1185 » by Bball Reasons » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:11 am

Debaser wrote:Too often Gms see players as stats and assets and don't account for chemistry. Ainge traded Perkins, Cuban let Chandler go and now this. Sometimes Gms outsmart themselves.

I don't think Presti had much of a choice here. It was either trade Harden while his trade value was at it's highest (before extension deadline) or let him walk for nothing. Going into the season with the distractions about Harden is not something any team wants to deal with anyways, ask Orlando.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1186 » by therealbig3 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:11 am

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therealbig3 wrote:Don't see what's so weird about that statement.

He was arguably the 2nd best player on a team that went to the Finals last year.


Do you really think it was arguable?


Absolutely. How is it not arguable?
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1187 » by HornetJail » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:14 am

therealbig3 wrote:
jstnw89 wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Don't see what's so weird about that statement.

He was arguably the 2nd best player on a team that went to the Finals last year.


Do you really think it was arguable?


Absolutely. How is it not arguable?

The fact that Westbrook and Durant didn't die.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1188 » by TwentyOne920 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:14 am

Debaser wrote:Too often Gms see players as stats and assets and don't account for chemistry. Ainge traded Perkins, Cuban let Chandler go and now this. Sometimes Gms outsmart themselves.


...Is it any coincidence that San Antonio's the only team that pulled off no kind of trade this offseason?
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1189 » by twozeroMM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:36 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
OneWhoKnocks wrote:Eric Gordon is better than Harden, don't let Harden's play behind Durant and Westbrook fool you.


No he isn't.. Gordon can barely stay on the floor.

Ok your basing that statement of of him being injured. When healthy, Gordon is a better player...
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1190 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:42 am

twozeroMM wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
OneWhoKnocks wrote:Eric Gordon is better than Harden, don't let Harden's play behind Durant and Westbrook fool you.


No he isn't.. Gordon can barely stay on the floor.

Ok your basing that statement of of him being injured. When healthy, Gordon is a better player...


He's never healthy.. and even when healthy he can't do the things Harden can do.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1191 » by twozeroMM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:42 am

^^ What exactly does Harden do better then Gordon? Besides being a little better in play making

TwentyOne920 wrote:Harden played around 460 minutes without Durant and Westbrook.

What manner is Eric Gordon better than James Harden apart from points per game?

This comparison is just like the Rose Westbrook comparison. They have very similar numbers, but Rose is just the better player in many people eyes. Same goes for Gordon being better then Harden.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1192 » by TwentyOne920 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:42 am

In what measure? Scoring?
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1193 » by NickAnderson » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:44 am

twozeroMM wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
OneWhoKnocks wrote:Eric Gordon is better than Harden, don't let Harden's play behind Durant and Westbrook fool you.


No he isn't.. Gordon can barely stay on the floor.

Ok your basing that statement of of him being injured. When healthy, Gordon is a better player...


No he isn't
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1194 » by twozeroMM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:45 am

TwentyOne920 wrote:In what measure? Scoring?

Just overall skill.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1195 » by TwentyOne920 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:50 am

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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1196 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:50 am

twozeroMM wrote:^^ What exactly does Harden do better then Gordon? Besides being a little better in play making

TwentyOne920 wrote:Harden played around 460 minutes without Durant and Westbrook.

What manner is Eric Gordon better than James Harden apart from points per game?

This comparison is just like the Rose Westbrook comparison. They have very similar numbers, but Rose is just the better player in many people eyes. Same goes for Gordon being better then Harden.


A little better at play making? He's a lot better at playmaking, he's also a better finisher.. especially with contact.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1197 » by TwentyOne920 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:53 am

Harden's better at team defense, too. Career defensive rating of 106 as opposed to Gordon's 113.
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1198 » by TheNewEra » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:53 am

Lol i love the he is just better overall argument but the other player does more overall its like the Blake vs LMA thing like seriously :lol: ... how can one player do more and not be better
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1199 » by og15 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:54 am

TwentyOne920 wrote:Eric Gordon's scoring does not win you games. He's like Rudy Gay or Monta Ellis in that they were given the green light to score on bad teams, and yet they don't improve their standings.

I'd credit ZBo and Marc for the Grizzlies' emergence; hell Mike Conley's their third most important player.

So are we basing the lack of impact of Gordon's scoring on the season he played 56 games, or the one in which he played 9 games, because it seems like you're just saying this with no real evidence to back it up. The issue with Rudy Gay and Monta Ellis is that they are inefficient scorers, and that Gay is barely a 20 PPG scorer. Gay (career: .531 TS%, high: .548 TS%), Ellis (career: .533 TS%, high: .580 TS% in third season). Eric Gordon had a .566 TS% in his 22 PPG season as a Clipper, and the Clippers were 25-31 in the games he played. On the season, the team was 32-50.

So without him, the team was 7-19. Now I'm not trying to act like 25-31 is good, it would be a 37 win season over 82 games, but consdiering they started out 1-11 that season, and it wasn't just losses to good teams, the team and at the time new coaches adjustment might have been part of the issue.

So with a 1-11 start, Eric Gordon in his first year as a 20+ PPG scorer over 82 games could win you 37 games (of course with rookie Blake Griffin on his team also).
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Re: James Harden traded to the Rockets 

Post#1200 » by Bball Reasons » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:55 am

Gordon isn't nearly the player Harden is. You're taking crazy pills. This would be true even if he could stay healthy. The fact that he CAN'T makes the discussion even more ridiculous.

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