Mack and Cook Cut

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:01 am

I already vented in the Shelvin Mack thread.

My thoughts about Cook is I would have rather seen James Singleton and Brian Cook back without Okafor on this team. If Brian Cook being cut means Earl Barron beat him out, it is hard to say one was better than the other.

I like the fact that Cook could hit a shot. This team will need shooting. Seems to me it would have made more sense cutting Earl Barron, but that guy can rebound and he competes hard.

I'm upset that Mack was cut. Pargo was brought in and allowed to turn it over like crazy, but they cut Mack.

The Wizards could have STARTED Mack and Beal and had a team that at the very least wouldn't turn the ball over or take ill-advised shots. I Iike Mack better than Jordan Crawford. I hope another team picks Shelvin up.

keynote · Post #2 » by **keynote** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:02 am

Mack had moxie, but it's tough to be small, slow, and short-armed at the PG position in the NBA.

Post #3 » by **nate33** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:05 am

I like Mack over Pargo, but I'm not going to get worked up about it. Neither guy should play on a decent team.

I can live with cutting Cook. I thought he provided a unique skill as the only legit "stretch 4" on the roster, but then again, Singleton has played fairly well at the 4 spot as well, so I guess Cook isn't all that unique.

MJG · Post #4 » by **MJG** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:09 am

Shoulder shrug. I probably would have hung on to Mack, but all these guys are IL fodder, so nothing to get worked up about really.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #5 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:13 am

Putting Cook in at C with Singleton at PF would have given two perimeter bigs. Those two with Webster would have been pretty unique. All three could hit threes.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11WAS16.HTM

Cook had a nice 154 minute run as a Wizard in 2011-2012. I can't understand why that didn't matter at all.

Knighthonor · Post #6 » by **Knighthonor** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:14 am

Time to tank!!! We need two more back to back tanks because major 3 pick lottos are on the way in back to back seasons!!!

hands11 · Post #7 » by **hands11** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:41 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Putting Cook in at C with Singleton at PF would have given two perimeter bigs. Those two with Webster would have been pretty unique. All three could hit threes.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11WAS16.HTM

Cook had a nice 154 run as a Wizard in 2011-2012. I can't understand why that didn't matter at all.

I posted the logic before the decision and after. Its not hard to follow what they did an why. I can get that you would have liked to see something different but are you really saying you don't understand why they did what they did ?

Post #8 » by **montestewart** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:46 am

It's almost as if you made the decision, isn't it?

willbcocks · Post #9 » by **willbcocks** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:31 am

nate33 wrote:I like Mack over Pargo, but I'm not going to get worked up about it. Neither guy should play on a decent team.

I can live with cutting Cook. I thought he provided a unique skill as the only legit "stretch 4" on the roster, but then again, Singleton has played fairly well at the 4 spot as well, so I guess Cook isn't all that unique.

Although this is part of a continuing trend for this front office of poorly planning and executing small details, I think this is less important than the continuing trend for this front office of poorly planning and executing large details. So I'm not getting worked up either.

DANNYLANDOVER · Post #10 » by **DANNYLANDOVER** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:43 am

I really think Pargo isn't gonna be on the roster after the first month of the season, so need to get all worked up over it. On the Cook vs. Barron issue, I pick Barron all day. Cook is a 6'10 SG with no handles, rebounding, defense, or hops...he shouldn't be anywhere near my team. Anyway, is there any news on Seraphin's availability for Tuesday night?

Higga · Post #11 » by **Higga** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:05 am

Who cares they both suck....Cook was one of the worst players I've ever seen dude made Michael Ruffin look like Chuck Barkley.

MikeTheKid · Post #12 » by **MikeTheKid** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:19 am

Kind of bummed to see Mack go but I guess there was a strong feeling this would happen!

tontoz · Post #13 » by **tontoz** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:29 am

I am fine with both. Cook brings nothing to the game other than an occassional jumper. Mack is small and slow, a bad combination.

closg00 · Post #14 » by **closg00** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:46 am

tontoz wrote:I am fine with both. Cook brings nothing to the game other than an occassional jumper. Mack is small and slow, a bad combination.

+1 if anything, I am hoping they are keeping a slot available for a surprise roster cut pick-up from another team.

payitforward · Post #15 » by **payitforward** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:12 pm

closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:I am fine with both. Cook brings nothing to the game other than an occassional jumper. Mack is small and slow, a bad combination.

+1 if anything, I am hoping they are keeping a slot available for a surprise roster cut pick-up from another team.

Except they haven't kept a roster spot open. As to Cook bringing nothing but an outside shot, Barron brings nothing including no outside shot.

"Mack is small and slow" and better than Pargo across the board, and young, and now a wasted draft pick by an awful team that needs to draft well. I posted a long analysis of this in the "Shelvin Mack" thread.

Ernie Grunfield and his brain(-dead) trust = pathetic incompetence.

Post #16 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:37 pm

Not getting the grief over having all of the roster spots filled for the moment. They've got injuries, so depth is important right now. And it's not like they can't cut somebody if another option comes along.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #17 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:57 pm

payitforward wrote:Ernie Grunfield and his brain(-dead) trust = pathetic incompetence.

That is signature-worthy, pif. I wholeheartedly concur.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #18 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:12 pm

Little things mean a lot to me.

Flip Saunders sent some signals very early on that I reacted to very strongly. Most didn't agree then with me. Took them about a year-and-a-half.

What makes Mack getting cut bother me is it says BS to Wittman running things as a meritocracy. Mack outplayed Pargo in preseason and Mack deserved to make the team, but clearly the coaching staff had no faith in Mack and/or they leaned toward liking Pargo. Why? People who say they both suck and so do Barron and Cook are entitled to their opinion. To me it is a matter of character, integrity, consistency, and transparency. It shows where Wittman, Ted, and EG are coming from.

These guys don't get it and there is a reason this team is perennially lottery-bound. The Wizards organization treats players poorly but in the end they get guys labeled as knuckleheads when in fact, they were never professionally developed or never were simply retained as specialists who had certain strengths but not a total game.

Nick Young is now with a coach and an organization that will maximize what he can do. He is a terrific three point shooter. He has the length to be a good man defender. He does not pass the ball often, does not rebound, and does not have a good court sense of others; but at times he can dominate a game himself. Finally, he has a veteran like Jason Richardson ahead of him. He has a post scorer in Bynum. He has a perimeter big who can pass like Hawes. He has rugged rebounders like Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen on his team. He's got so much around him that there's virtually no way Nick does anything but look good to great as a role player. But had he been developed well, he would be the SG and not Jordan Crawford. As it ended up, last season as a Wizard went terribly for Nick Young. Ended up jacking shots for a contract after he and Javale and Andray were made the pariahs of a losing organization.

I won't go through much of a rant on Javale or Andray Blatche but to say they are now where they can be the role players they could have been in DC, if the GM and owner and coaching had been better.

Mack is a quality guy. His stats from last year were not fully appreciated. payitforward's post in the other thread about the others drafted after him is on point. Regardless of that, as the Wizards' draft pick they once again valued a nondescript veteran from another team over a guy who could have and should have been retained. On top of that, they once again invested in veterans who if they play well are on one-year contracts and will just go elsewhere like Foye and Mike Miller.

EG is an incompetent and Ted as far as I am concerned is a bad owner.

leswizards · Post #19 » by **leswizards** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:16 pm

payitforward wrote:"Mack is small and slow" and better than Pargo across the board, and young, and now a wasted draft pick by an awful team that needs to draft well.

Second round draft picks are like lottery tickets. They are great if you hit it, but generally worthless otherwise. The Wizards hardly wasted a draft pick on Shelvin Mack. They took a shot and it didn't pay off. It is not the end of the world. Below average players like Shelvin Mack are easy to replace.

truwizfan4evr · Post #20 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:25 pm

Why we cut Mack for? Who are we going to bring in when wall out A. J Price and Pargo? Mack was decent player in preseason. This was a shocker Mack being waived maybe wizards will get another point guard someone who can actually play?