D-Will: Felton better PG than Lin

9abovetherim · Post #41 » by **9abovetherim** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:02 pm

dunleavyjr wrote::lol: Deron's Nets will again be a lottery team this season. Trust me.

if lopez doesnt play 50% games then yes, otherwise they are top 5-7 team in east imo

East_Coast · Post #42 » by **East_Coast** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:44 am

Tacoma wrote:No. It was more than 2 weeks; almost 2 months from early Feb to late Mar before he got injured. Not surprisingly, he started to tail off after Melo came back.

By "jealousy" he was probably referring to DWill always flies under the media radar never getting much attention. Lin got more attention in those 2 months than DWill has had in his career. I'm not saying DWill should be jealous, but if there was jealousy, that'd be it.

DWill simply stated the truth -- Felton is a better pg than Lin. These stupid conspiracy theories involving jealousy need to end. Felton is a true pg, whose focus is on getting the ball to his primary scorers. Lin is a high-turnover, low % shooting pg who looks for a shot as frequently as he does to pass.

Linsanity is defined as a period in which Lin performed on a very high level. That period listed for exactly 10 games -- from Feb. 4 vs. NJ, when he scored 25, until Feb. 19 vs. Dallas, when he scored 28. The next game, against NJ again, he shot .389 (7-18) ,and it began his steep drop in shooting %. The game after that he scored 17 against Atlanta -- a good game, but nothing very noteworthy.

Then came the game that officially ended Linsanity against the Heat on Feb. 23. Finally, someone did a good job of keying in on Lin, and quite frankly he looked like a terrified rookie, shooting 1-11 (.091).

After that, Lin's games were incredibly uneven, as shown by the following shooting percentages: 375 vs. Boston, .308 vs. Dallas, .278 vs Philly, .364 vs. Chicago, .235 vs. Philly.

Note that Carmelo had absolutely nothing to do with how well Lin shot the ball. That's all under Lin's control. People forget that even after Melo returned, Lin was still getting plenty of shots. He just wasn't making them nearly as much as during Linsanity.

BeasleyTheBeast · Post #43 » by **BeasleyTheBeast** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:35 am

Speedlot wrote:What a moron. Felton bashes your team for talking too much trash, then you go and praise him back. I guess it's easy to hate on the Asian guy that stomped your team and became famous because it. Lin has been nothing but classy.

Shut up and worry about your own team.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN8CYbmVRHU[/youtube]

noto12ious · Post #44 » by **noto12ious** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:11 am

East_Coast wrote:
Tacoma wrote:No. It was more than 2 weeks; almost 2 months from early Feb to late Mar before he got injured. Not surprisingly, he started to tail off after Melo came back.

By "jealousy" he was probably referring to DWill always flies under the media radar never getting much attention. Lin got more attention in those 2 months than DWill has had in his career. I'm not saying DWill should be jealous, but if there was jealousy, that'd be it.

DWill simply stated the truth -- Felton is a better pg than Lin. These stupid conspiracy theories involving jealousy need to end. Felton is a true pg, whose focus is on getting the ball to his primary scorers. Lin is a high-turnover, low % shooting pg who looks for a shot as frequently as he does to pass.

Linsanity is defined as a period in which Lin performed on a very high level. That period listed for exactly 10 games -- from Feb. 4 vs. NJ, when he scored 25, until Feb. 19 vs. Dallas, when he scored 28. The next game, against NJ again, he shot .389 (7-18) ,and it began his steep drop in shooting %. The game after that he scored 17 against Atlanta -- a good game, but nothing very noteworthy.

Then came the game that officially ended Linsanity against the Heat on Feb. 23. Finally, someone did a good job of keying in on Lin, and quite frankly he looked like a terrified rookie, shooting 1-11 (.091).

After that, Lin's games were incredibly uneven, as shown by the following shooting percentages: 375 vs. Boston, .308 vs. Dallas, .278 vs Philly, .364 vs. Chicago, .235 vs. Philly.

Note that Carmelo had absolutely nothing to do with how well Lin shot the ball. That's all under Lin's control. People forget that even after Melo returned, Lin was still getting plenty of shots. He just wasn't making them nearly as much as during Linsanity.

linsanity is merely a nickname. nothing more. you're a proven liar, so it's not surprising you left out several of lin's dominating performances in march.

vs pacers and hibbert:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De7M701rzf8[/youtube]

vs 76ers brand and holiday:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ICoHolZIk[/youtube]

enjoy those clips destroying your entire post. pathetic revisionist boxscore only analysis :lol:

Nowitness · Post #45 » by **Nowitness** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:21 am

They're both inconsistent PGs imo.

Post #46 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:04 am

If you're going to call someone a "proven liar," you're going to have to back that up, or it's a personal attack.

TheGarden · Post #47 » by **TheGarden** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:51 am

Here's the thing. Lin was getting all the credit for our wins while guys like Tyson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Steve Novak and Iman Shumpert got no praise for their efforts because without them stepping up we dont win.

Lin played good but became bigger than the team even when he got STAT and Melo back he still tried to do it all and thats why we started losing. He was shooting too many shots. Him, STAT and Melo shot 14+ shots a night and that isn't good. Look at Rondo, he only shoots or tried to score when its there same with CP3 and Nash.

I think everyone can agree that Lin is over rated, he's good but not an All-Star and not an Elite PG

noto12ious · Post #48 » by **noto12ious** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:09 am

tsherkin wrote:If you're going to call someone a "proven liar," you're going to have to back that up, or it's a personal attack.

east_coast spews plenty of lies. repeatedly. when proven wrong and cornered with facts, be they medical facts or facts directly from lin's mouth (CNNSI interviews as examples), east_coast has chosen to duck out of every single thread he's been caught lying.

one of numerous examples.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1200400&start=105

enjoy.

Mirjalovic · Post #49 » by **Mirjalovic** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:14 am

Of course Felton is a better PG (when in shape), as much as i enjoy Linsanity period, i think Lin still so raw, but i expect him to polished his game this season.

yunaclf · Post #50 » by **yunaclf** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:24 am

TheGarden wrote:Here's the thing. Lin was getting all the credit for our wins while guys like Tyson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Steve Novak and Iman Shumpert got no praise for their efforts because without them stepping up we dont win.

Lin played good but became bigger than the team even when he got STAT and Melo back he still tried to do it all and thats why we started losing. He was shooting too many shots. Him, STAT and Melo shot 14+ shots a night and that isn't good. Look at Rondo, he only shoots or tried to score when its there same with CP3 and Nash.

I think everyone can agree that Lin is over rated, he's good but not an All-Star and not an Elite PG

You're complaining about Lin getting all the credit for the wins, then you hold only him responsible for the losses?? How about Stat who can't play defense? Melo who wasn't in rhythm at all (understandably so considering he was coming off an injury) and couldn't buy a bucket??

Yeah, Lin played well during his stretch, but the people who really overrated him was the NY media (and haters who like to stick words in his fans' mouths). There aren't many of his fans who claim he's an elite pg.

Rust In Peace · Post #51 » by **Rust In Peace** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:34 am

NY dodged a bullet not resigning Lin now that all the attitude problems and injury issues are coming out of the Rockets camp. Better for the hardcore fans too since the tickets will be cheaper now that the casual Asian fanbase has moved on.

Hustlehard23 · Post #52 » by **Hustlehard23** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:09 pm

Why don't Lin fan boys mention the damn turnovers???? It bugs me that they over look that, he basically avg 2 assist per game, it's going to come to light this yr, he's a fraud and I feel bad for him, going to have a hard time living up to that run.

Durant Durant · Post #53 » by **Durant Durant** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:46 pm

Saying its Lin is like accepting that he started Linsanity.

And yeah Nets will be lottery bound again.

Post #54 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:47 pm

Hustlehard23 wrote:Why don't Lin fan boys mention the damn turnovers???? It bugs me that they over look that, he basically avg 2 assist per game, it's going to come to light this yr, he's a fraud and I feel bad for him, going to have a hard time living up to that run.

I think they don't mention the turnovers because he didn't have a training camp, he had a meniscus tear and the team was falling apart around him due to injury and poor coaching (prior to Woodson taking over and Lin ending his season due to injury). Given all of that and the sample size of his season (less than 40 games), it's really hard to take anything meaningful away from what happened. There are some inferences you can draw and it's likely that Lin isn't going to be some epic ball-protector even with training camp and a normal season plus health, but he may not be quite as bad as last season indicated. He'll have a better backcourt partner this season, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

He WILL have a hard time living up to that run, because he's not going to match that scoring volume going forward, but most people who followed him are expecting more like 15/7 on decent efficiency, that sort of thing.

sanity · Post #55 » by **sanity** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:17 pm

Williams is hating... but I think the trend for the inner-circle of superstars in this league (D-Will is a part of it, along with Paul, James, Howard, etc.) is to not be as accepting of other players who amass hype. Ex. Lin.

Hate him or love him, or believe he's overpaid or overhyped or was a fluke, he played extremely well last season and Felton never had a year of basketball in this league that came close to it.

LApwnd · Post #56 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:57 pm

TheGarden wrote:I think everyone can agree that Lin is over rated, he's good but not an All-Star and not an Elite PG

he is but nothing Felton did last year would lead you to think he is better than Lin at anything, except bad shooting.

NYK_89 · Post #57 » by **NYK_89** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:34 pm

LApwnd wrote:
TheGarden wrote:I think everyone can agree that Lin is over rated, he's good but not an All-Star and not an Elite PG

he is but nothing Felton did last year would lead you to think he is better than Lin at anything, except bad shooting.

Yes but Felton also obviously was completely out of shape in part due to the lockout in part due to his work ethic for most of the season, this is not the case this year, and it would not surprise me one bit if he is better then lin this year.

The thing that was frustrating for me in particular is Lin was one of the only hopes to elevate the knicks to a true contender status (probably wouldn't but it was worth the shot) and we let him go for financial reasons, the money the knicks bring in just makes it unacceptable to do something like that.

NYK_89 · Post #58 » by **NYK_89** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:35 pm

sanity wrote:Williams is hating... but I think the trend for the inner-circle of superstars in this league (D-Will is a part of it, along with Paul, James, Howard, etc.) is to not be as accepting of other players who amass hype. Ex. Lin.

Hate him or love him, or believe he's overpaid or overhyped or was a fluke, he played extremely well last season and Felton never had a year of basketball in this league that came close to it.

Felton's stretch with the knicks is equal if not better then Lin's so i don't know where this comes from

DarkXaero · Post #59 » by **DarkXaero** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:37 pm

Unbelievable that people here are giving D-Will crap for giving a perfectly rational response.

HornetJail · Post #60 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:40 pm

Saying Felton is better than Lin is a bit of a stretch, but it's not nearly as much as most of you think. Funny how everyone conveniently forgets Felton's great stretch with Amare two years ago. He was playing at a near All-Star level.