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WTF Jordan Hill = Highest Usage Rate under MB this season!?

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WTF Jordan Hill = Highest Usage Rate under MB this season!? 

Post#1 » by Jordan-esque » Thu Nov 1, 2012 6:41 pm

Credit to: Captain_Napalm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/tea ... vanced::15

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2012-2013 Rank Player USG%

1) Jordan Hill @ 32.0
2) Kobe Bryant @ 28.1
3) Dwight Howard @ 26.8
4) Pau Gasol @ 23.0
5) Metta World Peace @ 14.8
6) Jodie Meeks @ 14.8
7) Steve Nash @ 13.4
8) Antawn Jamison @ 11.6
9) Steve Blake @ 7.4



Definition of USG% - The number of team plays and possessions a player utilizes while on the court.

Compare that to last season at 20 games played or more:


2011-2012 Rank Player USG%

1) Kobe Bryant @ 35.7
2) Andrew Bynum @ 23.8
3) Pau Gasol @ 22.1
4) Andrew Goudelock @ 21.9
5) Ramon Sessions @ 20.5
6) Matt Barnes @ 16.4
7) Metta World Peace @ 15.6
8) Devin Ebanks @ 14.2
9) Derek Fisher @ 13.4



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Re: WTF Jordan Hill = Highest Usage Rate under MB this seaso 

Post#2 » by ROballer » Thu Nov 1, 2012 6:53 pm

Small sample size
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Re: WTF Jordan Hill = Highest Usage Rate under MB this seaso 

Post#3 » by TyCobb » Thu Nov 1, 2012 6:53 pm

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Post#4 » by dockingsched » Thu Nov 1, 2012 6:57 pm

stat means nothing.

he's only playing 11 mpg and he's putting up a mind blogging 30% offensive rebound rate. that means a ton of put backs in a small span of time, that inflates the USG%. really no reason to even discuss it further.
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Post#5 » by crazyeights » Thu Nov 1, 2012 6:59 pm

I would say that Jordan Hill should rarely be given the ball in the post. More he should be out there for defense an hustle plays with the occasional wide-open 15-footer.
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Post#6 » by miggs » Thu Nov 1, 2012 7:00 pm

Oh it's a jordan-esque thread, stupid miggs there's no neutrality here. thanks ty, where would i be without you? :D
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Post#7 » by dockingsched » Thu Nov 1, 2012 7:00 pm

TyCobb wrote:http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1210636
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1210756
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1210754

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Post#8 » by miggs » Thu Nov 1, 2012 7:02 pm

dockingsched wrote:stat means nothing.

he's only playing 11 mpg and he's putting up a mind blogging 30% offensive rebound rate. that means a ton of put backs in a small span of time, that inflates the USG%. really no reason to even discuss it further.



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Post#9 » by LateRoundFlyer » Thu Nov 1, 2012 9:12 pm

Ah, it all makes sense now. Jordanesque's more concerned about his fantasy team than his real team.
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Post#10 » by ennui » Thu Nov 1, 2012 9:41 pm

talk about small sample sizes and making mountains out of molehills
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Post#11 » by Imadogg » Thu Nov 1, 2012 10:26 pm

Stupid.

The real problem is when you look at Steve Nash's usage
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Post#12 » by ennui » Thu Nov 1, 2012 10:29 pm

I expect Steve Nash's usage to go up as he gets more comfortable with the Princeton and allows himself to freelance. Also, consider Nash was injured for the second half of our second game. That's like 1/4th of the total sample size, which by itself is too small to make any conclusions from.
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Post#13 » by Slava » Thu Nov 1, 2012 10:30 pm

Metta No Peace and Jodie Fking Meeks have higher usage than Nash! :lol:
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Post#14 » by dockingsched » Fri Nov 2, 2012 12:27 am

Nash is gonna have to better balance how he attacks and how he defers. he's consciously trying to take a step back right now though, so no biggie. not like he's just being forgotten

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Post#15 » by Tee212 » Fri Nov 2, 2012 12:37 am

everyone soo fast to nit pick brown. We beat ourselves with 20+ TO's in both games. Its not panic time yet, we can always revert back to kb/nash pick n rolls all season long.
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Post#16 » by Dr Aki » Fri Nov 2, 2012 12:54 am

steve nash 13.4%

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Post#17 » by Jordan-esque » Fri Nov 2, 2012 2:31 am

Tasp wrote:I expect Steve Nash's usage to go up as he gets more comfortable with the Princeton and allows himself to freelance. Also, consider Nash was injured for the second half of our second game. That's like 1/4th of the total sample size, which by itself is too small to make any conclusions from.

This was the USG after the 1st game / opening game vs Dallas:

Game 1 (vs Dallas)

Rank Player USG%

1) Jordan Hill @ 31.6
2) Pau Gasol @ 28.1
3) Dwight Howard @ 25.5
4) Kobe Bryant @ 21.0
5) Metta World Peace @ 15.1
6) Jodie Meeks @ 14.1
7) Antawn Jamison @ 13.6
8) Steve Nash @ 13.5
9) Steve Blake @ 9.8


So Steve Nash was still at the bottom, and Jordan Hill's USG after the 2nd game actually went up.

TyCobb wrote:http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1210636
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1210756
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1210754

*Agenda - noted.


Wow that's some great agenda! :oops:
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Post#18 » by laduane1 » Fri Nov 2, 2012 5:31 pm

Stat for the stat people who go to far into stats.
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Re: WTF Jordan Hill = Highest Usage Rate under MB this seaso 

Post#19 » by ennui » Fri Nov 2, 2012 7:27 pm

Jordan-esque wrote:
Tasp wrote:I expect Steve Nash's usage to go up as he gets more comfortable with the Princeton and allows himself to freelance. Also, consider Nash was injured for the second half of our second game. That's like 1/4th of the total sample size, which by itself is too small to make any conclusions from.

This was the USG after the 1st game / opening game vs Dallas:

Game 1 (vs Dallas)

Rank Player USG%

1) Jordan Hill @ 31.6
2) Pau Gasol @ 28.1
3) Dwight Howard @ 25.5
4) Kobe Bryant @ 21.0
5) Metta World Peace @ 15.1
6) Jodie Meeks @ 14.1
7) Antawn Jamison @ 13.6
8) Steve Nash @ 13.5
9) Steve Blake @ 9.8


So Steve Nash was still at the bottom, and Jordan Hill's USG after the 2nd game actually went up.


You totally neglected to acknowledge the second part of my statement which said regardless of what these usage stats show, the sample size is too small to draw any adequate inferences. Realize that Nash is consciously deviating from his bread and butter pick and roll game in order to expedite the integration of the offense. Once we get this Princeton thing down, a month into the season, maybe these usage numbers would be more illuminating and less misleading.
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