Kevin Seraphin

[willbcocks]

Just out of curiousity, in the entire history of the Bullets/Wizards, have they EVER made a major trade of older for younger players other than Pervis Ellison and a couple of MJ's salary cutting moves?

On the other hand, any longtime Bullets/Wizards can name 10 young for old trades off the top of their heads pretty easily. Maybe that's why we continue to be the Clippers of the East.

Kip for Jordan Crawford and the pick that became Seraphin. And on the other side, we recently had traded a younger Kwame for an older Caron, and that worked out well.

I don't think old for young is an important rule or one that we should worry about violating. The important rule is that we should not trade good for bad, be it players, contracts, picks, etc. That was the problem with the Miller/Foye deal. And it might be the problem with the Nene deal (i.e., McGee is young, but he's not good; the problem is neither is Nene's contract and health).

[verbal8]

Kip for Jordan Crawford and the pick that became Seraphin. And on the other side, we recently had traded a younger Kwame for an older Caron, and that worked out well.

I don't think old for young is an important rule or one that we should worry about violating. The important rule is that we should not trade good for bad, be it players, contracts, picks, etc. That was the problem with the Miller/Foye deal. And it might be the problem with the Nene deal (i.e., McGee is young, but he's not good; the problem is neither is Nene's contract and health).

I think the problem with the recent moves is the motivation to do them is "we can't lose our assets for nothing". True McGee should have had some trade value. However taking on a deal that was regretted almost as soon as it was signed, doesn't seem like much value to me. I feel like the Okariza deal has been discussed enough, but I think it had a similar motivation.

[Zonkerbl]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... me-opener/

Kevin Seraphin hoping to return for home opener

Posted by Michael Lee on November 1, 2012 at 3:55 pm

“They need me,” Seraphin said sheepishly, and with a laugh after practice Thursday.

The 6-foot-10 third-year big man completed his first full practice since straining his right calf during a preseason win in Cleveland on Oct. 13.

Seraphin revealed that he was originally slated to miss four to five weeks because of the injury, but he is prepared for a quicker return after training and rehabilitating for about “five to six hours” each day over the past few weeks. After practice, Serapin planned on having some fluid removed from his calf, which should help him get back on the floor quicker.

“I really feel good,” Seraphin said. “I might play Saturday. I can play, I can run. I can do everything. I’m so glad.”

DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER!

Gilbert had fluid removed from his knees too. Fluid accumulation cannot be a good thing. Maybe he should just rest up rather than trying to rush back.

[Nivek]

There's another word for "fluid" in a joint or a muscle -- "swelling." Swelling is not good.

[montestewart]

That desire to not give something for nothing that seemed behind the trade of Lewis rather than buying him out and the attempts to trade Baltche rather than amnestying him...I hope that doesn't manifest into rushing top salaried players back onto the court. Let Wall, Nene, Seraphin (and even Booker if he's hurting) sit, sit, sit. Maybe it'll help a few of them to near full recoveries, and maybe get a better pick in the process. Wall could spend the entire year just working on his shot.

[hands11]

http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2012/1 ... p4-2274888

“I’m ready to play tomorrow, so tomorrow I will play,” Seraphin said. “I don’t try to convince myself I’m ready, but my body and me, we know we’re ready.”

Wittman said Seraphin practiced for the second day without complications but would remain a game-time decision.

Seraphin’s return won’t alleviate all problems, and probably will trigger another adjustment period, but he does give the Wizards a low-post presence to help them play the inside-out game that Wittman prefers. He came back a week earlier than expected and is eager to contribute after having some blood removed from his calf after Thursday’s practice.

So Kevin says he is ready but Witt seems to be holding back just a little. Looks like it will depend on how Kevin feels today which is two days after his second practice and then he needs to check with the doctors. But judging from Kevin's interview, he sounds like he feels good and is ready to go.

http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2012/1 ... p4-2274872

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... me-opener/

Personally, I expect them to look noticeably better tonight. Them being able to get in three days of practice after that game and two of those practices with Kevin in was good. And after this game they get 3 more days off to rest and practice. This is very different then last year. Randy will have more time to work with them and correct things.

[payitforward]

Kip for Jordan Crawford and the pick that became Seraphin. And on the other side, we recently had traded a younger Kwame for an older Caron, and that worked out well.

I don't think old for young is an important rule or one that we should worry about violating. The important rule is that we should not trade good for bad, be it players, contracts, picks, etc. That was the problem with the Miller/Foye deal. And it might be the problem with the Nene deal (i.e., McGee is young, but he's not good; the problem is neither is Nene's contract and health).

I think the problem with the recent moves is the motivation to do them is "we can't lose our assets for nothing". True McGee should have had some trade value. However taking on a deal that was regretted almost as soon as it was signed, doesn't seem like much value to me. I feel like the Okariza deal has been discussed enough, but I think it had a similar motivation.

+1

I hadn't thought of it that way, but it makes very good sense. You could translate to Ernie saying to himself "I can't afford to look bad right now."

[nate33]

Kevin Seraphin should help the offense tremendously. Instead of trying to figure out which guy is the least bad option, we will actually have someone who is a pretty good first option. Our offense will have a purpose: get the ball to Kevin Seraphin in his comfort zone.

[Knighthonor]

Why isn't this guy a Star yet?

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I really get sick of some of the Wizards players and the way they'll react to a Kevin Seraphin mistake vs. another guy on the team. Really feel Seraphin is the team's whipping boy because of his personality and it makes me sick. Seraphin was clearly one of the team's bright spots all night yet the one error at the end causes Crawford to get demonstrative and essentially throw his teammate under the bus before everybody in the arena. Reactions like that have me wanting to see Crawford get traded away. Sometimes I wish Seraphin would grab a teammate by the throat and toss them into the third row.

[penbeast0]

I really get sick of some of the Wizards players and the way they'll react to a Kevin Seraphin mistake vs. another guy on the team. Really feel Seraphin is the team's whipping boy because of his personality and it makes me sick. Seraphin was clearly one of the team's bright spots all night yet the one error at the end causes Crawford to get demonstrative and essentially throw his teammate under the bus before everybody in the arena. Reactions like that have me wanting to see Crawford get traded away. Sometimes I wish Seraphin would grab a teammate by the throat and toss them into the third row.

That's the main reason you hope to see Crawford gone?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I really get sick of some of the Wizards players and the way they'll react to a Kevin Seraphin mistake vs. another guy on the team. Really feel Seraphin is the team's whipping boy because of his personality and it makes me sick. Seraphin was clearly one of the team's bright spots all night yet the one error at the end causes Crawford to get demonstrative and essentially throw his teammate under the bus before everybody in the arena. Reactions like that have me wanting to see Crawford get traded away. Sometimes I wish Seraphin would grab a teammate by the throat and toss them into the third row.

You are feeling the same way I have felt about other players in the past.

Flip Saunders was the coach who came and started using the word "knucklehead" to refer to players.

When Gilbert Arenas became injured, veteran players who he had been carrying lashed out publicly about the habits of young players. One player nicknamed the "Leader of Men" couldn't guard his own shadow but he hated on the professionalism of Andray Blatche. While very true on Blatche, Antawn got to get killed with impunity. Want to know why Cleveland kept knocking the Wizards out of the playoffs each season? Jamison and Butler were never whipping boys but Varejao repeatedly whipped them (and whatever midget EJ played at C) on the boards in the fourth. Butler was never a whipping boy. He openly defied Flip Saunders when it came to not passing the ball and forcing shots. What Flip would do after losses is call out McGee. Javale has been vilified after being called out the same way the slow kid in school starts getting picked on by other children once the teacher lets the other kids know she can't stand that kid.

I think Kevin is from another culture and he's playing next to a bunch of idiots. Sure, they'll pick on his mistakes probably up until he knocks one of them out. The sooner the better IMO. I see the same thing with Jan Vesely. He's a whipping boy, too.

I can't stand rooting for this team at times because this team is too bad to be hazing anyone. Leave Beal alone and do nothing but praise his effort, while assuring him he will succeed and to keep working harder and believe in himself. They should do that with every player.

Ted and Ernie are fools. Wittman will have no meritocracy. Veterans who have big contracts will play and their mistakes will be ignored. In frustration, young players will be denigrated and traded away as their careers are hurt. Seraphin is going to be fine because he's a joyful, energetic, bull of a player. Classy, too.

I can't say that from the top down in the Wizards. EJ might not have been even a good coach but he was a class act. Firing him 11 games after he made the playoffs virtually without Gilbert and with NO FRONTCOURT HELP and with injuries is the thing a GM like Grunfeld would do. Then Ernie saved his own job. Then Ernie made mediocre, overpaying veterans, Ernie moves.

Now the young guys are dummies or knuckleheads or underperforming. Same old Wizards.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I really get sick of some of the Wizards players and the way they'll react to a Kevin Seraphin mistake vs. another guy on the team. Really feel Seraphin is the team's whipping boy because of his personality and it makes me sick. Seraphin was clearly one of the team's bright spots all night yet the one error at the end causes Crawford to get demonstrative and essentially throw his teammate under the bus before everybody in the arena. Reactions like that have me wanting to see Crawford get traded away. Sometimes I wish Seraphin would grab a teammate by the throat and toss them into the third row.

That's the main reason you hope to see Crawford gone?

Wittman loves Crawford the same way Flip loved Blatche.

[GhostsOfGil]

I really get sick of some of the Wizards players and the way they'll react to a Kevin Seraphin mistake vs. another guy on the team. Really feel Seraphin is the team's whipping boy because of his personality and it makes me sick. Seraphin was clearly one of the team's bright spots all night yet the one error at the end causes Crawford to get demonstrative and essentially throw his teammate under the bus before everybody in the arena. Reactions like that have me wanting to see Crawford get traded away. Sometimes I wish Seraphin would grab a teammate by the throat and toss them into the third row.

Wittman loves Crawford the same way Flip loved Blatche.

CCJ, I dont get that impression at all. Wit is forced to use JC because none of our guards are competent at creating any offense (regardless of how inefficient Crawford is). When JC froze KS out and launched that long 3, he was immediately relegated to the bench. I think Wit is well aware of JC's shortcomings.

Also, this is the second post I've read about Wit creating some sort of whipping boy fall guy. Where did this come from? From everything we've read, we know Seraphin is a tough player who responds well to harsh criticism. I will admit, it drove me mad to see our guards refusing to feed him in the post.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I really get sick of some of the Wizards players and the way they'll react to a Kevin Seraphin mistake vs. another guy on the team. Really feel Seraphin is the team's whipping boy because of his personality and it makes me sick. Seraphin was clearly one of the team's bright spots all night yet the one error at the end causes Crawford to get demonstrative and essentially throw his teammate under the bus before everybody in the arena. Reactions like that have me wanting to see Crawford get traded away. Sometimes I wish Seraphin would grab a teammate by the throat and toss them into the third row.

That's the main reason you hope to see Crawford gone?

When he acts like that yes, because it says something about his character. Is anyone jumping down his throat while he's throwing up shots that hit all backboard? He could fall into the same category as a Nick Young, JaVale McGee, or Andray Blatche over time the way I see him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

As a dad, I can't stand it when my 10 and 12-year old sons argue and fight. I know it's just boys and that's how brothers roll. Still, when one of them starts acting like he is dad or when he tries to crush the other's spirit, it hits my hot button.

Family shouldn't be like that. Brotherhood isn't always going to be nice and you're going to get on each other's nerves, but when one brother messes up there is a way to either correct gently or to be silent or to be encouraging, as opposed to kicking when down.

STFU is what a coach should say to one player if that player isn't a good enough leader to rip the other. One guy's mistake is no more egregious than the other's, but they shouldn't be pointing fingers. Worry about getting one's own stuff together. Have a good game and shut up, Crawford.

[penbeast0]

I really get sick of some of the Wizards players and the way they'll react to a Kevin Seraphin mistake vs. another guy on the team. Really feel Seraphin is the team's whipping boy because of his personality and it makes me sick. Seraphin was clearly one of the team's bright spots all night yet the one error at the end causes Crawford to get demonstrative and essentially throw his teammate under the bus before everybody in the arena. Reactions like that have me wanting to see Crawford get traded away. Sometimes I wish Seraphin would grab a teammate by the throat and toss them into the third row.

You are feeling the same way I have felt about other players in the past.

Flip Saunders was the coach who came and started using the word "knucklehead" to refer to players.

When Gilbert Arenas became injured, veteran players who he had been carrying lashed out publicly about the habits of young players. One player nicknamed the "Leader of Men" couldn't guard his own shadow but he hated on the professionalism of Andray Blatche. While very true on Blatche, Antawn got to get killed with impunity. Want to know why Cleveland kept knocking the Wizards out of the playoffs each season? Jamison and Butler were never whipping boys but Varejao repeatedly whipped them (and whatever midget EJ played at C) on the boards in the fourth. Butler was never a whipping boy. He openly defied Flip Saunders when it came to not passing the ball and forcing shots. What Flip would do after losses is call out McGee. Javale has been vilified after being called out the same way the slow kid in school starts getting picked on by other children once the teacher lets the other kids know she can't stand that kid.

I think Kevin is from another culture and he's playing next to a bunch of idiots. Sure, they'll pick on his mistakes probably up until he knocks one of them out. The sooner the better IMO. I see the same thing with Jan Vesely. He's a whipping boy, too.

I can't stand rooting for this team at times because this team is too bad to be hazing anyone. Leave Beal alone and do nothing but praise his effort, while assuring him he will succeed and to keep working harder and believe in himself. They should do that with every player.

Ted and Ernie are fools. Wittman will have no meritocracy. Veterans who have big contracts will play and their mistakes will be ignored. In frustration, young players will be denigrated and traded away as their careers are hurt. Seraphin is going to be fine because he's a joyful, energetic, bull of a player. Classy, too.

I can't say that from the top down in the Wizards. EJ might not have been even a good coach but he was a class act. Firing him 11 games after he made the playoffs virtually without Gilbert and with NO FRONTCOURT HELP and with injuries is the thing a GM like Grunfeld would do. Then Ernie saved his own job. Then Ernie made mediocre, overpaying veterans, Ernie moves.

Now the young guys are dummies or knuckleheads or underperforming. Same old Wizards.

Frankly it goes back to around 1980, after the championship and the rebuild with Ruland and Mahorn, it's been a constant attempt to shore up mediocrity with veteran talent to compete for the #8 spot. I don't think the team is that interested in doing better than that (though they wouldn't mind) but they can keep butts in the seats if people still think we have a shot at the playoffs even as an 8 seed and so . . . aim for mediocrity.

The exceptions were (a) the Ellison deal, (b) when MJ first took over and dumped Juwan Howard, etc. (before his ego pushed him back on the court with the desire to win making him dump Rip for Stackhouse and the like), and (c) when we dealt Hinrich and moved up in the draft for Seraphin and Booker. Each time, I thought the front office might finally have gotten it . . . each time we follow up with more of the same. It's 40 years of team culture and it doesn't look like that culture has changed.

[veji1]

To be honest looking at the highlights of last game against the celtics, I get very frustrated with Seraphin : Although he had the hot hand and his shot went in, out of the 8 shots that he got in, 3 should have been aggressive moves to the basket for the dunk or lay-in, drawing fouls in the process.

He seems to have legit talent, has a very good hook and a decent mid-distance Jumper. All great tools. But to be able to have an impact night in night out he needs to be more aggressive. Seeing him take a 3ft jump-shot instead of collecting and just going straight and high for the dunk is very very frustrating.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I get frustrated thinking Kevin Seraphin could have been taking that jump hook as a PF and Javale could have been the one dunking. What they needed was a Nene/Okafor teammate.

With all his flaws I thought Javale could play with Seraphin in time, because Kevin is a good low post defender and he can score in the post (if not with dunks, with hooks and face up jumpers). Seraphin was just the opposite of Javale. Stout and not easily moved. Javale is long and above the rim, pretty much all the time. They just seemed to be made to play together to me. ...

[tontoz]

Seraphin does need to learn to attack the basket more. On that late possession with Garnett in his face he could have easily driven right by him. I don't think i have ever seen him us an up an under move in the post. He has good touch and is too relies on it too much.

We do need to remember that he didn't start playing until he was 15 and has been improving rapidly. He isn't a finished product by any means.

Early last season many here thought he was just an unskilled hackbox.