Hawks Goat of the game

Post #1 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:20 am

I'm bringing back the player of the game/goat of the game and plan to be consistent with it (I might not do all of the west coast games that end at 1 am) so vote for who you think it the player of the game in wins, or in this case the Goat of the game in losses.

Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:57 am

I HATE watching Josh Smith play basketball. When the game is on the line, Josh is at his worst.

PandaKidd · Post #3 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:26 am

Josh hits 2 EARLY jumpers, then decides its time to start jacking up 3s and jumpers all game. Horford, gets the ball, and looks like he cant make a decision on what he wants to do. Too much stadning around

NeZoRiL · Post #4 » by **NeZoRiL** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 4:13 am

Horford needed to be much more assertive, energetic, etc. Smith wasn't HORRIBLE, but he chucked a few jumpers at very bad times.

Post #5 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 6:02 am

I've heard opposing coaches, announcers, analysts say the same thing for years. Opposing coaches love when Josh hits bad shots early. Means he'll keep taking them all game long. Basically sabotaging his own team for 4 quarters.

Post #6 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 6:04 am

Also, I don't think Harden drops 45 if JJ is guarding him. A bigger, stronger guard prevents a few of those drives.

NeZoRiL · Post #7 » by **NeZoRiL** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 6:04 am

Jamaaliver wrote:I've heard opposing coaches, announcers, analysts say the same thing for years. Opposing coaches love when Josh hits bad shots early. Means he'll keep taking them all game long. Basically sabotaging his own team for 4 quarters.

I'm use to it, personally. Been a Hawks fan for awhile now, Josh's regressed and progressed in certain areas. Wish he'd just use his raw athleticism more. Have been saying that for awhile now, though.

NeZoRiL · Post #8 » by **NeZoRiL** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 6:05 am

Jamaaliver wrote:Also, I don't think Harden drops 45 if JJ is guarding him. A bigger, stronger guard prevents a few of those drives.

I don't think we would have lost if JJ was still on our squad.

myrak433 · Post #9 » by **myrak433** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:39 am

The Goat of the Game has to go to Horford. 5 rebounds is 37 minutes from our All Star Center........ "COME ON MAN!!!!"

myrak433 · Post #10 » by **myrak433** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:41 am

PandaKidd wrote:Josh hits 2 EARLY jumpers, then decides its time to start jacking up 3s and jumpers all game. Horford, gets the ball, and looks like he cant make a decision on what he wants to do. Too much stadning around

Josh took one 3 pointer the whole game. He missed it, but he only took one. and that was at the end of the clock when Teague passed up and open shot and passed it to Josh. what is Josh suppose to do, take a clock violation?

Rip2137 · Post #11 » by **Rip2137** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:14 pm

Again, this thread proves you people just want to hate Josh Smith. Smith went 2-6 on jumpers with 2 of them coming at the end of the shot clock.

Taking jumpers ALL GAME? Didn't come close to happening. Take away those shot clock forced jumpers he was 2-4 on jumpers.

But don't let that nonsense change your hate or ignore that his play brought us back in the game.

The transition defense was the goat of this game. We simply didn't get back. And honestly, Joe Johnson wasn't slightly missed. If you think Joe can defend Harden...I don't know if you have watched basketball in a while.

Post #12 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:30 pm

Can anyone remember the last time Smoove shot more than 50% in a game?

Josh is not a scorer, he shouldn't be encouraged to put up more shots than any player on either team. He shouldn't be allowed to put up more shots than Horford and Teague combined.

We're gonna see a lot of these nights by Josh. Lots of shots. Lots of bad jumpers. Lots of misses...

Post #13 » by **dms269** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:38 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Can anyone remember the last time Smoove shot more than 50% in a game?

It's not as far off as you think.

Season finale against Dallas. Josh went 10 of 14 for 23 points.

But looking at the game log from last year and the percentages, it is very up and down. There are a handful of above .500 games, but they are sprinkled with the below .500 as well. Last year his average was around .460.

Josh needs to take advantage of his size, especially against smaller players, and play inside. We have been saying the same thing over and over about him but it is getting true. It would be nice if we had a player or a coach on staff who Josh greatly respected to try and get his head out of his ass.

Rip2137 · Post #14 » by **Rip2137** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 1:40 pm

We get it. You hate him.

But he shot over 50% for the MONTH of March last season.

I see you are just going to ignore that he only took 8 jumpers( I got it wrong in the previous post) and 2 of them were forced at the end of the shot clock. That's not "lots of bad jumpers" no matter how you cut it.

Post #15 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:05 pm

My bad about not putting Horford in the options, I completely forgot about him, I'll total Horford to 2 votes because Myrak and Nezoril both agreed that he was the goat; I personally thought that Larry Drew didn't coach well in this game and voted for him; it's like he didn't tell the players to box out and like he didn't even address the rebounding issue because nothing improved in terms of rebounding as the game went on. And he decided not to play Morrow, Jenkins, or Ivan for even a minute; something tells me that Jenkins is going to end up hating Larry Drew and that he won't get much playing time because he's a rookie (Drew drove Jordan Crawford out and almost screwed things up with Teague before the Hinrich injury.)

Post #16 » by **dms269** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 3:34 pm

ATL Boy wrote:My bad about not putting Horford in the options, I completely forgot about him, I'll total Horford to 2 votes because Myrak and Nezoril both agreed that he was the goat; I personally thought that Larry Drew didn't coach well in this game and voted for him; it's like he didn't tell the players to box out and like he didn't even address the rebounding issue because nothing improved in terms of rebounding as the game went on. And he decided not to play Morrow, Jenkins, or Ivan for even a minute; something tells me that Jenkins is going to end up hating Larry Drew and that he won't get much playing time because he's a rookie (Drew drove Jordan Crawford out and almost screwed things up with Teague before the Hinrich injury.)

Washington fans were starting to turn on Crawford due to his horrible percentages.

Drew is gone after this season. He knows it, ferry knows it, the players know it...it would be nice if we could fire him midseason and replace him...what is D'Antoni doing?

myrak433 · Post #17 » by **myrak433** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 5:35 pm

ATL Boy wrote:My bad about not putting Horford in the options, I completely forgot about him, I'll total Horford to 2 votes because Myrak and Nezoril both agreed that he was the goat; I personally thought that Larry Drew didn't coach well in this game and voted for him; it's like he didn't tell the players to box out and like he didn't even address the rebounding issue because nothing improved in terms of rebounding as the game went on. And he decided not to play Morrow, Jenkins, or Ivan for even a minute; something tells me that Jenkins is going to end up hating Larry Drew and that he won't get much playing time because he's a rookie (Drew drove Jordan Crawford out and almost screwed things up with Teague before the Hinrich injury.)

I don't know what LD tell the players on the sidelides. but you can say all the right things but he can't make the players do it.. and rebounding and boxing out are not coaching flaws or lack there of. that is a player flaw and lack of effort. you can't coach effort. these are NBA players not high school. they shouldn't have to be told to play with effort.

Horford is not a center. he doesn't want to be one, doesn't play like one. trade him or get a center that wants to play center and move him to PF. until this happens we want win chit!!!!!!!!!

Post #18 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 3, 2012 7:34 pm

Rip2137 wrote:We get it. You hate him.

But he shot over 50% for the MONTH of March last season.

I see you are just going to ignore that he only took 8 jumpers( I got it wrong in the previous post) and 2 of them were forced at the end of the shot clock. That's not "lots of bad jumpers" no matter how you cut it.

'Only' 8 jumpers for Midrange Shawty. Guess we should count ourselves lucky. :roll:

My response to Smoove shooting over 50% in March...Al Horford is shooting 53% for his career. Like a big man is supposed to.

He 'ONLY' put up eight jump shots. Crikes. What a joke. One season in eight years Smoove actually shot over 50%. Since then he's gotten progressively worse. Bad shots, high turnovers, ill-timed jumpers.

Sigh...can't wait til we max him out next year. He sure deserves it...

PandaKidd · Post #19 » by **PandaKidd** » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:06 pm

myrak433 wrote:
PandaKidd wrote:Josh hits 2 EARLY jumpers, then decides its time to start jacking up 3s and jumpers all game. Horford, gets the ball, and looks like he cant make a decision on what he wants to do. Too much stadning around

Josh took one 3 pointer the whole game. He missed it, but he only took one. and that was at the end of the clock when Teague passed up and open shot and passed it to Josh. what is Josh suppose to do, take a clock violation?

he took 2 form what i remember, or it was a DEEEEEP 2.

He was far outside the low block almost all game. He had mismatches and would shoot jumpers instead of taking the man to the hole. How many FT did he shoot?

Yes in a shot clock violation situation Smith should be your last option , should be on the low post.

Its ok though only game 1.

sweetlou23 · Post #20 » by **sweetlou23** » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:49 pm

ATL Boy wrote:My bad about not putting Horford in the options, I completely forgot about him, I'll total Horford to 2 votes because Myrak and Nezoril both agreed that he was the goat; I personally thought that Larry Drew didn't coach well in this game and voted for him; it's like he didn't tell the players to box out and like he didn't even address the rebounding issue because nothing improved in terms of rebounding as the game went on. And he decided not to play Morrow, Jenkins, or Ivan for even a minute; something tells me that Jenkins is going to end up hating Larry Drew and that he won't get much playing time because he's a rookie (Drew drove Jordan Crawford out and almost screwed things up with Teague before the Hinrich injury.)

I agree that you should have included horford in the options. But what about teague, harris, stevenson, etc. If you are going to do a survey about the performances in a game doesn't it make sense to list all of the players that played significant minutes, rather than to skew the survey by leaving players off the list that you like?

Who was the goat of the game vs the Rockets