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Post#1 » by Yoga » Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:43 pm

Denver In: Bargnani
Denver out: Gallinari

Toronto In: Gallinari
Toronto out: Bargnani


Why does Denver do it? Denver is stacked at SF position and need 3 pt shooting. Bargs is a big man that can drain the 3 pt shot

Why does Toronto do it? Bargs cannot rebound, is lazy and completely useless. We get a huge upgrade at the SF position.
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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#2 » by Kabookalu » Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:46 pm

I wish.
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Post#3 » by Bank Shot » Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:51 pm

Choker wrote:I wish.
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Post#4 » by Jambo » Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:54 pm

Choker wrote:I wish.


Gallo's a career 41% shooter , rebounds like crap for a guy 6'10'' and plays mediore D . What's there to wish for ?

On the other hand maybe he's more suited to play Philly streetball than Bargs is .
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Post#5 » by Kabookalu » Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:56 pm

Jambo wrote:
Choker wrote:I wish.


Gallo's a career 41% shooter , rebounds like crap for a guy 6'10'' and plays mediore D . What's there to wish for ?

On the other hand maybe he's more suited to play Philly streetball than Bargs is .


The guy we would be sending out is Bargnani, the guy Gallo would be playing in front of is Fields. Easy choice.




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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#6 » by Duffman100 » Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:57 pm

Jambo wrote:
Choker wrote:I wish.


Gallo's a career 41% shooter , rebounds like crap for a guy 6'10'' and plays mediore D . What's there to wish for ?

On the other hand maybe he's more suited to play Philly streetball than Bargs is .


Your shots at Lowry are hilarious. Obviously a fake account meant to troll.
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Post#7 » by Jambo » Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:02 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
Choker wrote:I wish.


Gallo's a career 41% shooter , rebounds like crap for a guy 6'10'' and plays mediore D . What's there to wish for ?

On the other hand maybe he's more suited to play Philly streetball than Bargs is .


Your shots at Lowry are hilarious. Obviously a fake account meant to troll.


No shot at Lowry at all . The Philly streetball comment came from my take on anothers posters comment about Casey saying we're playing a random style of offense . Also , why would you consider it a shot at Lowry , do you think he's running some structured offense so far this year .
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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#8 » by Duffman100 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:04 am

Jambo wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
Gallo's a career 41% shooter , rebounds like crap for a guy 6'10'' and plays mediore D . What's there to wish for ?

On the other hand maybe he's more suited to play Philly streetball than Bargs is .


Your shots at Lowry are hilarious. Obviously a fake account meant to troll.


No shot at Lowry at all . The Philly streetball comment came from my take on anothers posters comment about Casey saying we're playing a random style of offense . Also , why would you consider it a shot at Lowry , do you think he's running some structured offense so far this year .


So why Philly streetball? Has nothing to do with Lowry being from Philly? :roll:

Either way, Denver will say no. They could probably get Bargs for Wilson and a 1st.
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Post#9 » by Mascot » Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:06 am

Toronto does this so they do not have to look at the fing Space Cadette Bargnani on defense.


Denver laughs it off as a joke on the phone and then says "so what you really call for?"
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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#10 » by Jambo » Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:13 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Your shots at Lowry are hilarious. Obviously a fake account meant to troll.


No shot at Lowry at all . The Philly streetball comment came from my take on anothers posters comment about Casey saying we're playing a random style of offense . Also , why would you consider it a shot at Lowry , do you think he's running some structured offense so far this year .


So why Philly streetball? Has nothing to do with Lowry being from Philly? :roll:

Either way, Denver will say no. They could probably get Bargs for Wilson and a 1st.


Like i said it was take on another poster comments . You shouldn't get so defensive and you still havn't explained why you think Gallo's such a special player that Denver wouldn't do this deal ?
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Post#11 » by Duffman100 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:16 am

Jambo wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
No shot at Lowry at all . The Philly streetball comment came from my take on anothers posters comment about Casey saying we're playing a random style of offense . Also , why would you consider it a shot at Lowry , do you think he's running some structured offense so far this year .


So why Philly streetball? Has nothing to do with Lowry being from Philly? :roll:

Either way, Denver will say no. They could probably get Bargs for Wilson and a 1st.


Like i said it was take on another poster comments . You shouldn't get so defensive and you still havn't explained why you think Gallo's such a special player that Denver wouldn't do this deal ?


He's not a special player, but he's better than Bargnani. That's why they don't make this deal.
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Post#12 » by Jambo » Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:18 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
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So why Philly streetball? Has nothing to do with Lowry being from Philly? :roll:

Either way, Denver will say no. They could probably get Bargs for Wilson and a 1st.


Like i said it was take on another poster comments . You shouldn't get so defensive and you still havn't explained why you think Gallo's such a special player that Denver wouldn't do this deal ?


He's not a special player, but he's better than Bargnani. That's why they don't make this deal.


Better at what ? He's a low % shooter that does very little else . You can hate Bargs all you want but Gallo's isn't any better .
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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#13 » by Duffman100 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:36 am

Jambo wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
Like i said it was take on another poster comments . You shouldn't get so defensive and you still havn't explained why you think Gallo's such a special player that Denver wouldn't do this deal ?


He's not a special player, but he's better than Bargnani. That's why they don't make this deal.


Better at what ? He's a low % shooter that does very little else . You can hate Bargs all you want but Gallo's isn't any better .


Offensive rating, TS%, Assist Rating, Win Shares... He's not MUCH better, but he's better.

The gap would be larger if NBA had the MLB equivalent of WAR, because of the scarcity of decent SFs and the abundance of decent PFs.
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Post#14 » by Jambo » Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:56 am

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Duffman100 wrote:
He's not a special player, but he's better than Bargnani. That's why they don't make this deal.


Better at what ? He's a low % shooter that does very little else . You can hate Bargs all you want but Gallo's isn't any better .


Offensive rating, TS%, Assist Rating, Win Shares... He's not MUCH better, but he's better.

The gap would be larger if NBA had the MLB equivalent of WAR, because of the scarcity of decent SFs and the abundance of decent PFs.


You're really reaching to try to prove your point , but lets say it's an even swap and look at how this impacts our team .

The Gallo/DD wing combo would make a brutal defensive pair . On O the other teams bigs would have zero reson to leave the paint with a Val/Amir/ED/Grey rotation . We'd become a stictly outside shooting team that's just as weak defensivly .

I'll deal anyone on this team but the deal has to make sense and this one doesn't make any .
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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#15 » by Duffman100 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 1:22 am

Jambo wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
Better at what ? He's a low % shooter that does very little else . You can hate Bargs all you want but Gallo's isn't any better .


Offensive rating, TS%, Assist Rating, Win Shares... He's not MUCH better, but he's better.

The gap would be larger if NBA had the MLB equivalent of WAR, because of the scarcity of decent SFs and the abundance of decent PFs.


You're really reaching to try to prove your point , but lets say it's an even swap and look at how this impacts our team .

The Gallo/DD wing combo would make a brutal defensive pair . On O the other teams bigs would have zero reson to leave the paint with a Val/Amir/ED/Grey rotation . We'd become a stictly outside shooting team that's just as weak defensivly .

I'll deal anyone on this team but the deal has to make sense and this one doesn't make any .


Orating, Assist rating, TS% and Win shares are reaching to prove my point? How exactly would I go about proving my point then?

It doesn't matter how it makes the Raptors, that wasn't the argument. It was whether Denver would make that deal. They wouldn't, because it doesn't help them.
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Post#16 » by BossHoggin » Tue Nov 6, 2012 1:47 am

Wish this stayed on the Raptors board
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Post#17 » by Jambo » Tue Nov 6, 2012 1:49 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Offensive rating, TS%, Assist Rating, Win Shares... He's not MUCH better, but he's better.

The gap would be larger if NBA had the MLB equivalent of WAR, because of the scarcity of decent SFs and the abundance of decent PFs.


You're really reaching to try to prove your point , but lets say it's an even swap and look at how this impacts our team .

The Gallo/DD wing combo would make a brutal defensive pair . On O the other teams bigs would have zero reson to leave the paint with a Val/Amir/ED/Grey rotation . We'd become a stictly outside shooting team that's just as weak defensivly .

I'll deal anyone on this team but the deal has to make sense and this one doesn't make any .


Orating, Assist rating, TS% and Win shares are reaching to prove my point? How exactly would I go about proving my point then?

It doesn't matter how it makes the Raptors, that wasn't the argument. It was whether Denver would make that deal. They wouldn't, because it doesn't help them.


You throw out some advanced stats that you say slightly favour Gallo ( you never mentioned the time period nor did bother to even research it ) and then ignore the rest of my post because you can't spin it .

Denver would do it a hell of alot quicker than ww would and why wouldn't they . Even if it doesn't work out for them they don't hurt themselves in any way .

Nice how you ignored that trading for Gallo would be a disaster on our end , our wings would get torched on D and our O would actually get worse . But who gives a **** about that because this is just another chance for you to slag Bargs .
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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#18 » by Duffman100 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 2:25 am

Jambo wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Orating, Assist rating, TS% and Win shares are reaching to prove my point? How exactly would I go about proving my point then?

It doesn't matter how it makes the Raptors, that wasn't the argument. It was whether Denver would make that deal. They wouldn't, because it doesn't help them.


You throw out some advanced stats that you say slightly favour Gallo ( you never mentioned the time period nor did bother to even research it ) and then ignore the rest of my post because you can't spin it .

Denver would do it a hell of alot quicker than ww would and why wouldn't they . Even if it doesn't work out for them they don't hurt themselves in any way .

Nice how you ignored that trading for Gallo would be a disaster on our end , our wings would get torched on D and our O would actually get worse . But who gives a **** about that because this is just another chance for you to slag Bargs .


I'm not ignoring it, it had nothing to do with what we were talking about. Have I said anything about how it would look on Toronto? No. Because that wasn't what we were talking about. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.
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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#19 » by Jambo » Tue Nov 6, 2012 2:48 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
You throw out some advanced stats that you say slightly favour Gallo ( you never mentioned the time period nor did bother to even research it ) and then ignore the rest of my post because you can't spin it .

Denver would do it a hell of alot quicker than ww would and why wouldn't they . Even if it doesn't work out for them they don't hurt themselves in any way .

Nice how you ignored that trading for Gallo would be a disaster on our end , our wings would get torched on D and our O would actually get worse . But who gives a **** about that because this is just another chance for you to slag Bargs .


I'm not ignoring it, it had nothing to do with what we were talking about. Have I said anything about how it would look on Toronto? No. Because that wasn't what we were talking about. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.


The threads about the trade from both ends , you're just trying limit the discussion because you can't find one reson why we would make this move .

Please explain to me any downside from the Nuggets end . Gallo's doing nothing and they need a big that can score . The worst thing that can possibly happen is that Bargs is a bust and even then they're no worse off than they would have been keeping Gallo .

If you want to discuss Bargs at least leave your blinding hate at the door and realize most players in this league have flaws and good teams find ways to maximize a players strengths to benefit the team or move that player for another flawed player who suits there team better . Trading Bargs for Gallo serves zero purpose on our end and actually makes our team worse . Even if Bargs is playing like ass he still commands attention which opens up the paint for Lowry/DD .

Also a huge plus for Denver is Bargs contract is one year shorter .
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Re: Denver-Toronto 

Post#20 » by Duffman100 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 3:13 am

Like I said before, it's harder to find a SF to do what Gallo does, with his potential - than a power forward that brings what Bargnani does.

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