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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#981 » by toodles23 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 7:19 am

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SideshowBob wrote:Everything looks effortless for him right now. I'm really buying into the idea that this may be his best sesaon


He's undoubtedly better than the last 2 seasons, but I've to see more(especially off-the-dribble) to start thinking 09/10 level. Miami's so loaded and their chemistry looks so strong that pretty much everything is coming easy for everyone on that team. I want to see them in a tight game against a good defensive opponent, where LeBron's teammates aren't playing so well. I want to see how he fares(stylistically) then.

From what I've seen, I actually think he'll be terrific in these situations. He's shown great capability off the dribble this season, I think he's just making the smart play and milking the shooters/hot hand so far this year. They're blowing away the rest of the league offensively so far. He just looks so much more confident/sure of himself this year, on everything. I'd bet we'll even see a couple of last second perimeter game winners this year.

For example, look at that baseline blowby of Dudley (I think?) in the first half. Got right by him and finished easily over Gortat - beating two different sized/skilled defenders in the same move.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#982 » by JordansBulls » Tue Nov 6, 2012 2:00 pm

SideshowBob wrote:Everything looks effortless for him right now. I'm really buying into the idea that this may be his best season

With how stacked the Heat are, he doesn't need to do as much which is what I said from the beginning on why his ppg will drop to around 24-25 a game.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#983 » by ardee » Tue Nov 6, 2012 2:41 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
SideshowBob wrote:Everything looks effortless for him right now. I'm really buying into the idea that this may be his best season

With how stacked the Heat are, he doesn't need to do as much which is what I said from the beginning on why his ppg will drop to around 24-25 a game.


Teams are not prepared for the Heat right now. Everyone is not going to concede 120 points. If they did, this would be the GOAT team.

Wait until they start playing better teams, LeBron will have a bigger load to shoulder then. Still thinking 28-30 is not unreasonable, he has a realistic chance of getting the scoring title because with the kind of spacing they have no one can double team him, he can either beat anyone off the dribble whenever he wants or set up in the post and do work like in the 2012 Playoffs.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#984 » by jjgp111292 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 4:43 pm

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SideshowBob wrote:Everything looks effortless for him right now. I'm really buying into the idea that this may be his best season

With how stacked the Heat are, he doesn't need to do as much which is what I said from the beginning on why his ppg will drop to around 24-25 a game.

You really think the Heat are just gonna continue averaging 110 PPG and running teams out of the gym? Please. Once they face more talented teams with good defense, LeBron will have more of a load offensively.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#985 » by PCProductions » Tue Nov 6, 2012 6:44 pm

It's actually frightening how good Lebron is. When you watch the games it looks like he's barely even trying and yet he cranks out 23/10 games.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#986 » by SideshowBob » Tue Nov 6, 2012 7:05 pm

Lebron currently leads the league in Offensive RAPM at +5.1 through only 4 games. As the sample size builds I expect we'll see him back to the +7 level we saw from 07-10.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/MIA.html

Also, the complete prior-informed 2012 data should be up soon as well.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#987 » by SideshowBob » Tue Nov 6, 2012 8:10 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgBTCZsgRAI[/youtube]

It's remarkable how easily he's getting high percentage buckets within the offense here.

The last two seasons, I condemned this style of play. He was largely working off the ball to pick up easy buckets in the offense, which resulted in him stagnating when facing stronger half-court defenses and showing an inability/unwillingness to be an effective creator. This lead to his actual playmaking taking a dive as well. On the ball, he couldn't capitalize effectively on the defensive attention he was getting to create as high percentage shots for the rest of the team (at least not to the extent that he was able to before). Many of his assists were largely the result of easy fast break buckets, they weren't always a result of his creation, just the result of timely passing. Within the halfcourt, the baskets he WAS creating weren't as optimal as they could be. While Miami routinely maintained a top5 team eFG%, they were 20th and 23rd in TOV% in 2011 and 2012 respectively (13.5% and 14.5%). This season, while they've dropped off colossally on the ORB front, they're TOV% is way down, ranked 7th at 12.7%, and I'd wager that that ranking will continue down further.

Why? Because his on-ball ability has been remarkably rejuvenated (for what reason isn't important at this point; what's clear is that he's dramatically improved). Now, that ability to create easy buckets for himself off-the-ball is an excellent compliment to his on-ball game, because he can now be putting immense pressure on the defense AT ALL TIMES when he's on the floor. It opens up his ability to create by a drastic amount, because unlike the last two seasons, there's never a time in the game where he's not the deadliest threat to score on the planet, and so, his teammates are getting even EASIER buckets than before. They're being put into positions to score immediately, and have to do less work on the ball themselves, which is why we've seen the team's already high eFG% skyrocket and its their TOV% has come down.

So, to the point, I really like what I'm seeing so far. While yes, it doesn't seem like he's going to be the slasher he once was, he's currently good enough on that front that he CAN surpass both 09 and 10 as offensive seasons. Given that he's seen marginal defensive improvements year-in-year-out since then as well, and its definitely a strong bet that we will be seeing his best season this year, and that's a remarkable thought, considering how strong those earlier campaigns were to begin with.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#988 » by Mavericksfan » Tue Nov 6, 2012 8:17 pm

You guys don't think his success in the half court has anything to do with the spacing provided by his teams?
On the Cavs he was surrounded by shooters to optimize his abilities. The last couple of years in Miami spacing was a huge issue because he was playing Wade/ guys like Anthony at center. Now with Battier/Bosh he's seeing the most space he's had in years and his play is showing it.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#989 » by SideshowBob » Tue Nov 6, 2012 8:28 pm

Mavericksfan wrote:You guys don't think his success in the half court has anything to do with the spacing provided by his teams?
On the Cavs he was surrounded by shooters to optimize his abilities. The last couple of years in Miami spacing was a huge issue because he was playing Wade/ guys like Anthony at center. Now with Battier/Bosh he's seeing the most space he's had in years and his play is showing it.


He had worse spacing to work with from 2005-08 than Miami in 10-12, yet the issues we observed in the last two years were not present then. Believe me, I considered every explanation as to why he looked off and the spacing issue was the first one that came to mind when he first joined Miami. That wasn't the issue.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#990 » by toodles23 » Tue Nov 6, 2012 8:30 pm

Sideshow, you pretty much posted my thoughts there, this is going to be a special year for Miami/Lebron. The only negative so far has been Lebron's midrange game - aside from the Boston game, it's been garbage. He's started the season hot from deep, but it seems like he starts off that way every year.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#991 » by SideshowBob » Tue Nov 6, 2012 8:36 pm

Yeah he really needs to figure out that jumper. And I don't want to jump the gun here, but "special" might be an understatement
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#992 » by SideshowBob » Wed Nov 7, 2012 7:49 am

SideshowBob wrote:The last two seasons, I condemned this style of play. He was largely working off the ball to pick up easy buckets in the offense, which resulted in him stagnating when facing stronger half-court defenses and showing an inability/unwillingness to be an effective creator. This lead to his actual playmaking taking a dive as well. On the ball, he couldn't capitalize effectively on the defensive attention he was getting to create as high percentage shots for the rest of the team (at least not to the extent that he was able to before). Many of his assists were largely the result of easy fast break buckets, they weren't always a result of his creation, just the result of timely passing. Within the halfcourt, the baskets he WAS creating weren't as optimal as they could be. While Miami routinely maintained a top5 team eFG%, they were 20th and 23rd in TOV% in 2011 and 2012 respectively (13.5% and 14.5%). This season, while they've dropped off colossally on the ORB front, they're TOV% is way down, ranked 7th at 12.7%, and I'd wager that that ranking will continue down further.


Building on this, I wanted to point out MIA's TOV% in the first 4 games

vs. Bos - 7.9%
vs. Nyk - 21.5%
vs. Den - 7.8%
vs. Pho - 13.7%

Now 4 games is 4 games, but that NYK game definitely looked anomalous offensively. I'll give it some time, who knows, maybe the Knicks are just world-beaters defensively, but I don't think we should be expecting very many poor offensive showings to that extent by Miami this season, and I don't see them frequently having games with that high of a TOV% either.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#993 » by SideshowBob » Thu Nov 8, 2012 3:50 am

Thoughts on tonight? Looks like he's in coast mode.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#994 » by IG2 » Thu Nov 8, 2012 4:08 am

SideshowBob wrote:Thoughts on tonight? Looks like he's in coast mode.


More of the same. Flawless decision making and jumper continues to impress. He looks very confident shooting it too, which is just great to see. Would still like to him drive more off a live dribble, but unless the game's competitive, I don't think we'll be seeing that from him. He seems to be in 'bare-minimum' mode, which is why the next 6 games should be telling, as they will all be on the road against solid opponents. No blowouts, most likely.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#995 » by MisterWestside » Thu Nov 8, 2012 4:27 am

SideshowBob wrote:Thoughts on tonight? Looks like he's in coast mode.


Didn't watch tonight's game for the visual impression and I haven't crunched the numbers, but while he's "coasting" he's also playing with arguably his best all-around roster career-wise. Shooting per minute down from '12, usage down, and this game is more of the same of that. But he also shot well while making plays for others and keeping tovs low. He doesn't have to be yeoman-LeBron on a nightly basis (although he can still do that!) and can be more selective.

A career high in efficiency isn't implausible.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#996 » by therealbig3 » Thu Nov 8, 2012 5:56 am

As a Nets fan...**** LeBron.

He completely dismantled us, and it looked like he was half-asleep while he did it. And it's nothing new, he's always destroyed us.

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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#997 » by rrravenred » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:33 am

MisterWestside wrote:
SideshowBob wrote:Thoughts on tonight? Looks like he's in coast mode.


Didn't watch tonight's game for the visual impression and I haven't crunched the numbers, but while he's "coasting" he's also playing with arguably his best all-around roster career-wise. Shooting per minute down from '12, usage down, and this game is more of the same of that. But he also shot well while making plays for others and keeping tovs low. He doesn't have to be yeoman-LeBron on a nightly basis (although he can still do that!) and can be more selective.

A career high in efficiency isn't implausible.


Cue the "he doesn't have the hunger" / "content being Robin now he's got the ring" crowd. ;)
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#998 » by ardee » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:37 am

His jumper looked incredible tonight.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#999 » by MisterWestside » Thu Nov 8, 2012 2:39 pm

rrravenred wrote:Cue the "he doesn't have the hunger" / "content being Robin now he's got the ring" crowd. ;)


Yeah, perhaps Skip Bayless could enlighten us on the matter with another comedic, um, lengthy espn.com dissertation about LeBron's convoluted psyche :lol:

Back to the game at hand: LeBron's usg/eff split was a cool 149 ortg/26 usg. In the other games I've watched this season, he simply doesn't have to work as hard. And it's fun to watch especially as he polishes his offensive repertoire in the halfcourt.
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Re: Lebron, Cleveland vs. Miami 

Post#1000 » by PCProductions » Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:56 pm

ecksodia wrote:20-12-8 in 30 minutes. Only 12 shots all night... Was he as good as the statline? This game a must watch?


There's one pass he made to Shane Battier that looked like something of a knuckleball. Other than that, it was just good decision making and good looks on the glass with a couple of nice threes and terrific ball movement for the heat overall.

Link to said pass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXMxZktdBjI

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