Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[suntzuballin]

I'd extend BC another two years if he can somehow make a trade for Gay or Deng while shipping out Bargs at the same time.

[Chaos Engine]

I'd extend BC another two years if he can somehow make a trade for Gay or Deng while shipping out Bargs at the same time.

And gets Lebron for Calderon while we're in make-believe land.

[Edumacated]

I'd extend BC another two years if he can somehow make a trade for Gay or Deng while shipping out Bargs at the same time.

And gets Lebron for Calderon while we're in make-believe land.

You really think the trade value of Gay ($19m) or Deng ($13m) is vastly different from Bargs ($10m) to the point where you would mock this suggestion by saying that I'm in 'make-believe land' and compare it to a ridiculous LeBron for Calderon trade?

[raps4589]

fire bc, fire gheradhini

[StMikes31]

This thread should be brought up mid way of the season, not after the team starts 1-4.


We are only 5 games in, if the team continues to play poorly and have a bad record come january/february, then I'm all for getting rid of him.

[West Rouge]

This thread should be brought up mid way of the season, not after the team starts 1-4.


We are only 5 games in, if the team continues to play poorly and have a bad record come january/february, then I'm all for getting rid of him.

No its should have been brought up 1/2 way through last season. As you can tell by the poll. Enough is enough

[whoknows]

ITT 25 idiots who voted no.

One thing is for sure, the "idiots" realize that a new GM means a new coach and this could mean bye-bye Lowry.

The poll is no surprise, it speaks volumes of the lack of maturity on this board, nothing more.

[AfricanSensation]

So the mature thing is to assume that any new GM would let Lowry go? GMs around the league hate having a top 10 PG? lol Find something else.

I have never seen this board agree to something to this point, even Bargs has more supporters lol, hell Hoffa probably had more than 15% people wanting to keep him

[Too Late Crew]

This thread should be brought up mid way of the season, not after the team starts 1-4.


We are only 5 games in, if the team continues to play poorly and have a bad record come january/february, then I'm all for getting rid of him.

That's what people say every year though.

Last year it ws "he's finally learned and doing a proper rebuild just give him time". What did that "rebuild" look like a mad chase after Nash and Fields. Now he's in "accelerated" rebuild mode which is codespeak for CMA and save my job. He's essentially a lame duck now with the very real possibility he goes into the trade market again to pull off one of his "correct his mistakes" trades with Fields. Those trades usually involve us giving up more future assets to correct the mistake.

The longer he stays the worse it will be for the next GM.

Could MLSE really be that inept that they haven't at least looked at possible candidates if there was even a chance they would not extend BC? They should have a list ready just in case,put an interm GM in and tie his hands (figuratively) and be able to complete a GM search very quickly.

[whysoserious]

I'm not sure why the 'it's only 5 games' is a constant excuse for both Bryan and Bargnani. There's a long enough history in Toronto to know exactly what he has done and what he hasn't.

[Too Late Crew]

I'm not sure why the 'it's only 5 games' is a constant excuse for both Bryan and Bargnani. There's a long enough history in Toronto to know exactly what he has done and what he hasn't.

Correction "its only 5 games" is only a valid excuse if its something BAD.

If a player or GM has "5 GOOD games" that is considered a valid predictor of future performance.

[Black Milk]

I'm not sure why the 'it's only 5 games' is a constant excuse for both Bryan and Bargnani. There's a long enough history in Toronto to know exactly what he has done and what he hasn't.

Correction "its only 5 games" is only a valid excuse if its something BAD.

If a player or GM has "5 GOOD games" that is considered a valid predictor of future performance.

Lol, so true. It's almost like BC and Bargnani fans are the same group!
Which mirrors the reality that as long as BC is here, Bargnani is too. Which for me is one of the reasons he needs to go along with the myriad of other reasons other posters have pointed out.

[ATLTimekeeper]

ITT 25 idiots who voted no.

One thing is for sure, the "idiots" realize that a new GM means a new coach and this could mean bye-bye Lowry.

The poll is no surprise, it speaks volumes of the lack of maturity on this board, nothing more.

Scare tactic. Immature response.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Lol, so true. It's almost like BC and Bargnani fans are the same group!
Which mirrors the reality that as long as BC is here, Bargnani is too. Which for me is one of the reasons he needs to go along with the myriad of other reasons other posters have pointed out.

Speculation. Scare tactics.

[IvanIV]

Yeah, probably.

[dTox]

I do agree with your sentiments that he's making the best of what he has, but part of my problem is the fact that he holds the younger and players on a cheaper contracts much more accountable where as players like Andrea get a free pass and they continue to do a half assed job, same could be said of Calderon last year when he shared pg duties with Bayless and continued to start when Bayless clearly put more effort on both ends of the floor. And what about Fields, why is he continuously starting this guy when its clear that he's not fit for the NBA let alone the starting lineup (I get the feeling that he's trying to validate his contract even if it means by force).

I'm not questioning his X's and O's (not that they are terrific to begin with) nor questioning his defensive schemes (which I think he's done a great job with), but his rotations just atrocious. If the excuse is that we don't have talent, then you should be playing your top 7-8 players and keeping the rotaton to the said number, what's the point of playing your 10th/11th/12th man if they are so terrible? Yesterday we've seen a lineup of Lucas/Anderson/Mcguire/Amir/Gray during the end of the 3rd quarter for quite a long stretch when we needed to make a come back when its clear that lineup wouldn't make a dent on the offensive end.

I actually differ on that view;
He may be the only coach who has kept Bargnani even remotely accountable; save for the Nets game when Bargnani didnt have it, he played 24 and 25 minutes against OKC and MIN and Davis was given his minutes instead, and when he was feeling it on offense against the Mavs and to a degree the Pacers (he was getting to the line) he got his 30+. That is far more then any other coach has ever done with Bargnani

I have never felt that any coach that Bargnani has had with the Raps had the balls to simply bench him, I don't feel that way about Casey, I suspect if this continues his minutes will drop as he shown he is willing to do.

The argument I will make about rotations is that our 7th, 8th, and 9th guys aren't exactly head and shoulders more talented then our 10th, 11th, and 12th guys.

Good teams have a pretty clear distinction between second unit and third, we simply don't have the talent.

The thing with Lucas/Anderson/Mcguire/Amir/Gray is that Johnson, McGuire, and Gray all had a positive plus/minus last night, and Lucas is the only thing on the roster that resembles a PG that isn't Jose when Lowry is hurt, so the issue is why did Anderson get 16 minutes?

I would suspect because DeRozan played >40 and Fields is terrible, and Ross racked up 3 (?) fouls on 1/3 shooting in eight to ten minutes so he clearly wasn't feeling it.

The only guy who's minute confuse me on the Raps is Ed Davis, however I suspect an argument could be made for match-up's.

Everyone else is a by-product of a terrible rotation of players that Casey had little say in bringing in

I guess we do differ in the way we view the game, based on Bargnani's performance (except for the most recent one) I think he should be coming off the bench because Amir and Ed are way to redundant and it seems like Bargnani just isn't a good fit with Lowry playing up tempo offence, any good coach would recognize that and if he did have the cajonas he would've had Andrea come off the bench (if guys like Harden and Manu can come off the bench then so can Andrea). Another thing that confused the hell out of me which you forgot to mentioned is Landry continuing to start even after having a craptastic pre season, I don't even know what made Casey think Landry had the starters role to begin with when he's done nothing in his career to prove to be a better candidate than Kleiza or hell even Anderson, this seems more like a "yes man" type of move by him due to Colangalo's hold on the team. And lastly, the continuous usage of the dual pg in the lineup when it clearly fails time and time again just to feed Jose's ego, Casey just seems to favour veterans and players who have higher salaries on the team (which is my main beef with him).

[West Rouge]

ITT 25 idiots who voted no.

One thing is for sure, the "idiots" realize that a new GM means a new coach and this could mean bye-bye Lowry.

The poll is no surprise, it speaks volumes of the lack of maturity on this board, nothing more.

First of all there is no proof Lowry would leave if the GM is gone. There is also no proof if Casey is a good or bad coach or whether he will leave as well.

Secondly if thats your logic for BC staying it makes no sense. Do you think Lowry is going to take us to the promise land while he is surrounded by BC's bench players? No. He'll probably split during FA just like Bosh as hell get paid by another team whos GM doesnt fill a team with bench players who have inflated contracts.

[dTox]

ITT 25 idiots who voted no.

One thing is for sure, the "idiots" realize that a new GM means a new coach and this could mean bye-bye Lowry.

The poll is no surprise, it speaks volumes of the lack of maturity on this board, nothing more.

First of all there is no proof Lowry would leave if the GM is gone. There is also no proof if Casey is a good or bad coach or whether he will leave as well.

Secondly if thats your logic for BC staying it makes no sense. Do you think Lowry is going to take us to the promise land while he is surrounded by BC's bench players? No. He'll probably split during FA just like Bosh as hell get paid by another team whos GM doesnt fill a team with bench players who have inflated contracts.

Don't even bother, some people just don't get it

[sanity]

Lowry is under contract... or does that mean Colangelo walks a higher path or something where he can magically void players from the roster if he is punished for his failures?

[Alfred]

Wait, it's immature to want Bryan Colangelo gone? I don't get it.