Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[West Rouge]

He's tried different players, multiple coaches, several changes in management. He was unsuccessful at win-now and his version of a rebuild.

Simply put, what more can he fail at before he is fired?

AND 1 million

How is OK to fire and replace others while ducking all real responsibility. Proper accountability is obviously lacking in this organization.

[J Dilla]

Lest we forget

Free-agent sharpshooter Jason Kapono became the first player to commit to switching teams this summer when he reached a quick agreement Sunday to leave the Miami Heat and join the Toronto Raptors for what is believed to be a four-year deal worth roughly $24 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2922597

[BryceMaxJames]

see sig, props to Turbo

[James_Raptors]

He's tried different players, multiple coaches, several changes in management. He was unsuccessful at win-now and his version of a rebuild.

Simply put, what more can he fail at before he is fired?

AND 1 million

How is OK to fire and replace others while ducking all real responsibility. Proper accountability is obviously lacking in this organization.

...and if Bryan was losing money for MLSE but he had a better winning percentage he most likely would've been axed already. Our ownership shares alot of the blame here. The bottom line for them is cash, not wins. (ie: The Maple Laughs, but a much smaller level).

[James_Raptors]

Lest we forget

Free-agent sharpshooter Jason Kapono became the first player to commit to switching teams this summer when he reached a quick agreement Sunday to leave the Miami Heat and join the Toronto Raptors for what is believed to be a four-year deal worth roughly $24 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2922597

I agree, although I don't think using "Lest we forget" on 11/11 is appropriate verbage for a botched basketball signing.

[NeverGoingToWin]

He's tried different players, multiple coaches, several changes in management. He was unsuccessful at win-now and his version of a rebuild.

Simply put, what more can he fail at before he is fired?

AND 1 million

How is OK to fire and replace others while ducking all real responsibility. Proper accountability is obviously lacking in this organization.

...and if Bryan was losing money for MLSE but he had a better winning percentage he most likely would've been axed already. Our ownership shares alot of the blame here. The bottom line for them is cash, not wins. (ie: The Maple Leafs, but a much smaller level).

I do not understand this point. When Richard Peddie and Tom Anselmi were involved in hiring GM's and presidents people were mad and said they should get out of the way. Now you are saying they are not involved enough. What do you want? More or less involvement in management by MLSE top people?

I think that BC should be fired but what do people want? They brought in top people in did well in other places but suck here. The truth is it is very hard to win in sports and they have tried every method possible. They have tried rookie GM's, experienced GM's, and top GM's in other cities but are still losing here.

[West Rouge]

We want accountability. Period. Don't blame the coach. If you are responsible for putting together the roster & you fail it's no one else fault. If part of the problem is involvement from higher members of MLSE than they should be held accountable as well.

Although Toronto sports teams associated with MLSE all seem to carry common issues and something certainly doesn't smell right. If they truly leave roster management up to BC than hes really got pack his bags and GTFO.

[Tacoma]

...and if Bryan was losing money for MLSE but he had a better winning percentage he most likely would've been axed already. Our ownership shares alot of the blame here. The bottom line for them is cash, not wins. (ie: The Maple Laughs, but a much smaller level).

This has been the spoken mantra for many BC supporters, that he makes MLSE money. But is BC the VP of Finance or VP of Basketball Operation? It it's the latter, then his job is to produce a winning team, period

I contend that the Raptors are making money in spite of BC rather than because of him. Can you imagine how much MORE money MLSE could make if this team was/is any good?

[Primetime23]

He's tried different players, multiple coaches, several changes in management. He was unsuccessful at win-now and his version of a rebuild.

Simply put, what more can he fail at before he is fired?

AND 1 million

How is OK to fire and replace others while ducking all real responsibility. Proper accountability is obviously lacking in this organization.

...and if Bryan was losing money for MLSE but he had a better winning percentage he most likely would've been axed already. Our ownership shares alot of the blame here. The bottom line for them is cash, not wins. (ie: The Maple Laughs, but a much smaller level).

I dont buy this, attendance has been falling the past couple years and there has been no playoff revenue the last 4 years either. Any GM would have been able to make the similar revenue with the team imo, BC's name being attached to the franchise isn't a license to print money.

[NeverGoingToWin]

We want accountability. Period. Don't blame the coach. If you are responsible for putting together the roster & you fail it's no one else fault. If part of the problem is involvement from higher members of MLSE than they should be held accountable as well.

Although Toronto sports teams associated with MLSE all seem to carry common issues and something certainly doesn't smell right. If they truly leave roster management up to BC than hes really got pack his bags and GTFO.

MLSE fire their TFC coach EVERY YEAR. Is that the kind of accountability you want?

[James_Raptors]

...and if Bryan was losing money for MLSE but he had a better winning percentage he most likely would've been axed already. Our ownership shares alot of the blame here. The bottom line for them is cash, not wins. (ie: The Maple Leafs, but a much smaller level).

I do not understand this point. When Richard Peddie and Tom Anselmi were involved in hiring GM's and presidents people were mad and said they should get out of the way. Now you are saying they are not involved enough. What do you want? More or less involvement in management by MLSE top people?

I think that BC should be fired but what do people want? They brought in top people in did well in other places but suck here. The truth is it is very hard to win in sports and they have tried every method possible. They have tried rookie GM's, experienced GM's, and top GM's in other cities but are still losing here.

It's simple, I want MLSE gone.

[NeverGoingToWin]

That is never going to happen so we need to stick with realistic options.

[Neutral 123]

...and if Bryan was losing money for MLSE but he had a better winning percentage he most likely would've been axed already. Our ownership shares alot of the blame here. The bottom line for them is cash, not wins. (ie: The Maple Leafs, but a much smaller level).

I do not understand this point. When Richard Peddie and Tom Anselmi were involved in hiring GM's and presidents people were mad and said they should get out of the way. Now you are saying they are not involved enough. What do you want? More or less involvement in management by MLSE top people?

I think that BC should be fired but what do people want? They brought in top people in did well in other places but suck here. The truth is it is very hard to win in sports and they have tried every method possible. They have tried rookie GM's, experienced GM's, and top GM's in other cities but are still losing here.

It's simple, I want MLSE gone.

You would think the two would somewhat go hand in hand. But yeah, apparently the team has been profitable with BC running the show. With all the bad contracts he handed out and the awful results, it's still hard to believe though.

[James_Raptors]

...and if Bryan was losing money for MLSE but he had a better winning percentage he most likely would've been axed already. Our ownership shares alot of the blame here. The bottom line for them is cash, not wins. (ie: The Maple Laughs, but a much smaller level).

I dont buy this, attendance has been falling the past couple years and there has been no playoff revenue the last 4 years either. Any GM would have been able to make the similar revenue with the team imo, BC's name being attached to the franchise isn't a license to print money.

On Feb 28th 2006 Bryan became the Raptors President & GM. The value of the club that year was $315 million. The following season the value sky rocketed up to $373 million, followed by $400 million in 2008. Following were years of $386 million in 2009 and $399 million in 20010. I can only speculate how the recession played a role in the latter two years I listed and I do not have a specific dollar figure that properly takes that into consideration.

[Pusha-T]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

[Komodo]

Yeah, anyone who doesn't see the underlying philosophical issues with our corporate ownership needs to wake up. Rogers, Bell, Tanenbaum, MLSE, whatever. They're all part of the problem. This is solely a business venture for them. Here's the #1 reason why BC hasn't been canned yet, and may very well not be canned in the future:

[Pusha-T]

Yeah, anyone who doesn't see the underlying philosophical issues with our corporate ownership needs to wake up. Rogers, Bell, Tanenbaum, MLSE, whatever. They're all part of the problem. This is solely a business venture for them. Here's the #1 reason why BC hasn't been canned yet, and may very well not be canned in the future:

a winning team would increase revenue so they should be doing anything possible to make it happen

[Mehar]

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Thanks man. I am proud to say that i am officially part of this movement, which i actually wanted to start in the summer after the Fields signing, but the Colangelo apologists told me that Fields was a bargain for a starter (LOL). Spread this word like the gospel. Make sure BC, or Big Clown like i call him, is run out of town after this year along with his entire henchman.

[hillbilly hare]

I'd rather have BC than another Babcock. You can rag on the guy for Fields but he wanted Nash, everyone knew that so he did what he could to stop him going to NYK.

If anything that shows you how he wants to win and is willing to spend to do so.

The problem is, though, that Colangelo has become another Babcock. The one thing that was separating them was Colangelo's solid drafting and Babock's horrendous drafting. Well, with the Ross over Drummond pick, Colangelo has finally lost the one last thing he did fairly well. He has now officially entered Babcock Territory. Horrendous trades, non-trades (Bosh) and FA signings. And now he doesn't even draft well any more either. He went against his own draft strategy and blew the Ross pick but not taking the BPA, i.e. Drummond.

I hope it's the final nail that Colangelo drives into the Raptors coffin and that at the same time it's the final nail in his GM-ship coffin here.

This last off-season was the last straw. We went into it with all the hope and resources and assets we could wish for, and we came out of it as the doormats we've been for the last several years. Face it, Colangelo supporters, the guy's decision making has hit new lows, along with the team.

With humongous cap room (if amnestying Jose) and a top draft pick that could've turned into a guy who's a top 5 talent, and young assets with a bit of trade value left, and what did he get out of it: 2 mediocre shooting guards in Ross and Fields. That's it. He then went and dealt our next year's lotto pick for Lowry, which is a good trade, but that's apart from what we had to work with this off-season.

Let's just recap that for a second: one of the worst NBA teams over the last few years goes into the off-season with a lot of holes to fill and a lot of resources to use to fill them, and the best our GM comes up with is Ross and Fields?

It could've been, say, Drummond and Ilyasova and Scola, for instance, which would've been pretty solid if our GM wanted to "win now". Add in the Lowry trade and that's a playoff team if healthy. While still building for the future with young guys like Jonas and Drummond and even Ilyasova and Lowry, who are far from over the hill.

But the guy had no plan. The guy has had no plan for years. Other than holding onto his extremely well-paid job. IIRC he's making 4M a year, right? Unbelievable.

He should've been fired at the end of last season, but so be it. He does not deserve to go on for one minute longer. I would fully support a firing right now, which would also send a signal. Other posters have mentioned being worried about what signals it would give, but I like the idea that it signals that the Raptors aren't satisfied with being a laughingstock and won't accept sub-par performance, even from someone as famous as Colangelo. Toronto is not some hick town that'll put up with losing just to keep the "honour" of being managed by Colangelo. The guy's best days are long behind him and we should dig ourselves out of the hole he's put us in, the first step in which is firing him. Tomorrow.

[NeverGoingToWin]

Seems like the consensus is he needs to go so now answer the important question. Who should replace him and why?