Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[Wo1verine]

If you can't sign players, then you go the OKC route through the draft. BC did a half assed rebuild for 2 years.
Look at Cleveland once they lost Lebron. They had less talent than us but they rebuilt properly. They blew it up and tanked. Now 2 years later they have added 3 lottery picks to their team, they have cap flexibility and they have a bunch of 1st round picks in upcoming drafts.

THIS

I have wanted this route forever now..

Absolutely NO point in being a ****/fringe post-season team with 0 (!!!!!!) cap flexibility down the road!

I hate BC for ruining raptors basketball!

[ThatWay]

All aboard losing the next 5-10 games so this has more chance of becoming a reality. Sad it will finally take MLSE so long to realize this **** failure.

[dTox]

48 ppl are straight pushovers or just Bargnani fans

[Pass it]

The BOBCAT'S beat the same dallas team that we lost too. The BOBCATS have a better record than us.

FIRE BC

[C_Money]

48 ppl are straight pushovers or just Bargnani fans

Its funny how none of them are posting. They just vote "No" and then leave the thread LOL.

[sanity]

48 ppl are straight pushovers or just Bargnani fans

Its funny how none of them are posting. They just vote "No" and then leave the thread LOL.

I assume its the same ones who disappear whenever anyone brings up Bargnani's advanced stats

[Archerbro]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

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yet again, those guys are perfect examples of why BC must go. the team needed and should have gone into rebuild after bosh's departure.

[grumpwalter]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

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nobody wanted to go to Miami before they got their big 3, as well, nobody wanted to go to the Lakers before they got Gasol.

[Archerbro]

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

So you are saying we should just embrace BC's losing formula?? Do you have proof it will be worse without him. Because quite frankly I don't see the same value you do.

If we are that hopeless lets just pay a student minimum wage. For the millions he makes to put a product on the court. He has not earned his keep. I cannot say whether then next guy can do better or worse. Odds are they cant do much worse.

I don't think that's fair. The next guy can always do worse.

He's tried different things to better the team.

araujo for humphries ..brought in potentials like TJ ford, Jarret Jack ...delfino for second round pics...brought in JO, who was a big name at the time...brought in marion...hedo was also a big name, after his playoff run ..found guys like amir, weems who turned out to be decent .....

If you think a student could pull off some of these moves , then i don't even know what to say.

Considering Marion's value was really low out of Miami, Hedo only wanted the best contract, brought in a past his prime JO and wasted draft picks. I'm telling you, alot of gms could've done that.

he's done a terrible job, that's just a fact.

it's time for a new gm, kid.

[Archerbro]

He's tried different things to better the team.

araujo for humphries ..brought in potentials like TJ ford, Jarret Jack ...delfino for second round pics...brought in JO, who was a big name at the time...brought in marion...hedo was also a big name, after his playoff run ..found guys like amir, weems who turned out to be decent .....

If you think a student could pull off some of these moves , then i don't even know what to say.

Most of those moves you listed were lateral (trading a scrub for a scrub is an everyday transaction and shouldn't be the saving grace of a GM). The bigger moves, like trading for JO and signing Turk were moronic from the start and anyone could see that.

I would love to pull up some threads from the Jermaine signing and see the reactions at the time ... As far as i remember people were pretty freakin happy .....its easy to place blame after the fact.

because the result was horrible? this wasn't a lamar odom type deal where the team couldn't see it coming. Jermaine O neal hadn't been good for a while when the raps got him.

It turned out to be a horrible trade-FACT.

[Kabookalu]

If you can't sign players, then you go the OKC route through the draft. BC did a half assed rebuild for 2 years.
Look at Cleveland once they lost Lebron. They had less talent than us but they rebuilt properly. They blew it up and tanked. Now 2 years later they have added 3 lottery picks to their team, they have cap flexibility and they have a bunch of 1st round picks in upcoming drafts.

To quote another poster on this very subject don't mistake the anecdote for the odds. Rebuilds rarely work. It worked for OKC because they got lucky in every single one of their draft picks. For no one but a small minority to predict Greg Oden was going to be this massive bust. For trading Ray Allen for Jeff Green, a player that Durant idolized growing up and helped in Durant's development. For the Westbrook experiment to be so successful (so far). For James Harden to be the EXACT star shooting guard they needed. For Serge Ibaka to be the big man that compliments their young trio of players.

They got the 2nd/5th, 4th, and 3rd overall picks in three consecutive drafts. That never happens. Aside from Green every single one of their picks had panned out and they all complimented each other. That also never happens.

Cleveland are lucky ass mofos. The pick they used for Irving wasn't even theirs and it had a .028% chance of winning. Baron Davis was so bad that the Clippers had to trade away their first round pick to get rid of him and it happens to land Cleveland the first overall pick. HMMMMM.

[DHK]

48 ppl are straight pushovers or just Bargnani fans

Why is Bargnani or Bargnani's fans brought to this discussion? he has nothing to do with the topic.
As much as we can use some nice fresh change and a new team president in town, that post is ignorant.

[Archerbro]

If you can't sign players, then you go the OKC route through the draft. BC did a half assed rebuild for 2 years.
Look at Cleveland once they lost Lebron. They had less talent than us but they rebuilt properly. They blew it up and tanked. Now 2 years later they have added 3 lottery picks to their team, they have cap flexibility and they have a bunch of 1st round picks in upcoming drafts.

To quote another poster on this very subject don't mistake the anecdote for the odds. Rebuilds rarely work. It worked for OKC because they got lucky in every single one of their draft picks. For no one but a small minority to predict Greg Oden was going to be this massive bust. For trading Ray Allen for Jeff Green, a player that Durant idolized growing up and helped in Durant's development. For the Westbrook experiment to be so successful (so far). For James Harden to be the EXACT star shooting guard they needed. For Serge Ibaka to be the big man that compliments their young trio of players.

They got the 2nd/5th, 4th, and 3rd overall picks in three consecutive drafts. That never happens. Aside from Green every single one of their picks had panned out and they all complimented each other. That also never happens.

Cleveland are lucky ass mofos. The pick they used for Irving wasn't even theirs and it had a .028% chance of winning. Baron Davis was so bad that the Clippers had to trade away their first round pick to get rid of him and it happens to land Cleveland the first overall pick. HMMMMM.

did they luck out int he durant draft that Oden was picked first?

sure, but OKC does their homework. Westbrook, coming out of that draft, had warnings signs of a bust but OKC put him in the right situation, told the coaches how to develop him and now he's a top 5 pg int his league.

It's not just pure luck, it's making the right picks (COUGH TERRENCE ROSS) and putting your team in position for a good pick.

[UnderdogRaptors]

Landry Fields reminds me of those players you create on NBA 2K that has every attribute at 0

[Kabookalu]

did they luck out int he durant draft that Oden was picked first?

sure, but OKC does their homework. Westbrook, coming out of that draft, had warnings signs of a bust but OKC put him in the right situation, told the coaches how to develop him and now he's a top 5 pg int his league.

It's not just pure luck, it's making the right picks (COUGH TERRENCE ROSS) and putting your team in position for a good pick.

In a way it wasn't but Portland was actually heavily considering Durant. They even had people hold out signs on the streets of Portland that said "Honk once for Oden, honk twice for Durant." It's not like it was 51/49, more like 60/40, but still, it wasn't an easy choice for them.

I applaud OKC for their development but luck still played a greater part than their drafting ability. Westbrook could have gone either way but he worked his ass on his game to make it all work.

And assume that OKC did their homework, how likely would it be that your three lotto picks are all players that compliment each other like a glove and each delivering on a star level.

[kwamebargnani]

We wasted 3 first rounders for nothing while also giving away 2nd rounders like toilet paper.

[dTox]

48 ppl are straight pushovers or just Bargnani fans

Why is Bargnani or Bargnani's fans brought to this discussion? he has nothing to do with the topic.
As much as we can use some nice fresh change and a new team president in town, that post is ignorant.

Unfortunately there are some strong correlation between the two. After 7 years of watching Bargnani be the enigma that he is, and the GM refusing to acknowledge he made a mistake drafting him and refusing to trade him ...while also trading away draft picks (to get rid of JO so he can give Andrea PT which turned out to be Hibbert) to support moves that would benefit Andrea. He also sacrificed young talent and watching them rot on the bench (Ed Davis) so Andrea can continue log pt at the PF spot, its clear that one has to go for the other to be moved. Let's not also forget that we lost the best PF we've ever had because our GM refuses to put a real bruising C beside him because he wanted Andrea to be the C of this team which turned out to be an epic failure. So yes we as fans have a right to put Andrea and BC on the same topic, unlike you I don't have a tolerance for failure so don't tell me what I can and cannot post. GTFO

[DHK]

did they luck out int he durant draft that Oden was picked first?

sure, but OKC does their homework. Westbrook, coming out of that draft, had warnings signs of a bust but OKC put him in the right situation, told the coaches how to develop him and now he's a top 5 pg int his league.

It's not just pure luck, it's making the right picks (COUGH TERRENCE ROSS) and putting your team in position for a good pick.

In a way it wasn't but Portland was actually heavily considering Durant. They even had people hold out signs on the streets of Portland that said "Honk once for Oden, honk twice for Durant." It's not like it was 51/49, more like 60/40, but still, it wasn't an easy choice for them.

I applaud OKC for their development but luck still played a greater part than their drafting ability. Westbrook could have gone either way but he worked his ass on his game to make it all work.

And assume that OKC did their homework, how likely would it be that your three lotto picks are all players that compliment each other like a glove and each delivering on a star level.

A lot of luck involved. The hype train on Oden was astounding and even when he was playing injured, he was a monster on the post and boards, once Oden was picked, it was the most obvious choice to go for Durant.
Westbrook was a reach at the time he was drafted. Presti was heavily criticized for that pick considering Kevin Love, and Eric Gordon were still on the board. With Durant being a dominant ball handler and Westbrook being one himself, everyone was also criticizing how they wouldnt be able to co-exist, how wrong they were on that department.
Ibaka was just excellent scouting on the OKC, but i mean...after Petro, Sene, at least one was bound to pan out.

[Rejected]

MKG with 25 and 12 last night in a win over Dallas. Need to tank HARDER. Fire BC