Trade Idea: Kanter to ATL for picks

Luigi · Post #61 » by **Luigi** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:41 am

aoik wrote:@Luigi

Do you remember what I wrote 2 months ago?

And do you remember that you wanted to trade him?

Some postings above there are our postings.

Of course I remember. It was a nice offer.

I hope he continues to play well. But, like i said:
He's looking good. I'm waiting for the regular season, but the bad taste is out of my mouth now.

Catchall · Post #62 » by **Catchall** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:03 am

Kanter should be a broader, tougher version of Rony Seikally. That's a decent player and contributor to a contending team.

aoik · Post #63 » by **aoik** » Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:28 pm

aoik wrote:@Luigi

Do you remember what I wrote 2 months ago?

And do you remember that you wanted to trade him?

Some postings above there are our postings.
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Last season sometimes I came here to criticize Corbin and Utah.

I was called Homer or something like that. Being a fanboy.

Basicallaly I wanted that Kanter and Favours should get more minutes to play and that Utah should spend the season for the development of these young guys. But some of you were on edge.
Then what did happen? First round knock out.

It is really sad that Jazz did not invest its time to those players last season. And do you know what?
This season it will look same.

It is just preseason and I think some of you guys hype too much Kanter's success. He did not play against good bigs. But he could have played against them last season...

Now everybody is a Kanter-Fan. I tried to tell this last season, that he could be easily a contender for Rookie of the Year if he got the chance everybody got of the Draft 1-10 of 2011. Kyrie got 30+ minutes to play. And Kanter with that minutes would have got a 15/15 maybe. Anyway, lets forget this.

I hope this year Corbin and the Jazz learn from the mistakes of last year.
Jazz still needs to trade some guys away. Or another year of nothing for the young guys.

Maybe too early for quoting myself but I saw it coming.

Anyway, it is just the begin. Many things can change, will change or not.

falcon107 · Post #64 » by **falcon107** » Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:14 pm

Utah is not a contender. And it won't be a contender this year. Playoff is likely but second round at the play-offs is a slim chance and more than that is not a possibility but a dream.

Utah is still a team that needs to develop. Better way of development is giving more minutes that most development is expected. This is an investment, and some investments are good, and some are bad, but if you believe in your young players, increasing their minutes is the way too go.

If young assets of Utah don't get enough time, they won't that easily develop. It was like this, last year. It will be like this, this year, if Utah management does not change their mind.

I am no way against Jefferson or Milsap, candourly I want best for them. But the best for them means giving them more minutes at their contract season, and that is not good Utah:
1. In any case, next year 4 good bigs will be too expensive for Utah (or any team)

2. Utah will be giving minutes to Jefferson and Milsap, and one or both of them will most possibly not playing for Utah next year, and because of that development of its two future bigs is hampered.

3. Other than that if Utah is thinking to keep both Milsap and Jefferson. That means two things:
a) Utah do not believe in one or both of its young players.
b) Next year one or both of its young players will be traded.

Think all of them. There is only one outcome.

4 bigs are too much for Utah and one of the bigs should be traded when they have a trade value, and before team chemistry is lost or suffered damage. This is ASAP. I know and accept that,that may mean that Utah won't reach playoffs, but considering Utah is not a contender, and do not have a chance to go further, please tell me what is to lose?

This is no more different than Harden case. It is a hard pill to swallow, but being late may have higher costs.

Neon Black · Post #65 » by **Neon Black** » Sun Nov 4, 2012 4:59 pm

What a joke.

reapaman · Post #66 » by **reapaman** » Sun Nov 4, 2012 5:28 pm

Jermaine O'neil sat on the bench for years and once he got his chance he beasted so why can't Kanter and Favors?

Players get better through practice, not games.

scoobs07 · Post #67 » by **scoobs07** » Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:35 pm

Would you trade Kanter and the Golden State pick to the Clippers for Bledsoe and their first round pick?

erudite23 · Post #68 » by **erudite23** » Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:30 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Would you trade Kanter and the Golden State pick to the Clippers for Bledsoe and their first round pick?

Is this some sick joke?

Hoops Addict · Post #69 » by **Hoops Addict** » Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:30 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Would you trade Kanter and the Golden State pick to the Clippers for Bledsoe and their first round pick?

hahahahahahahahahahahah
you have been drinking tequila!

Jazz counter with Al Jefferson for Chris Paul.

xenith · Post #70 » by **xenith** » Thu Nov 8, 2012 2:24 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Would you trade Kanter and the Golden State pick to the Clippers for Bledsoe and their first round pick?

tfmiii · Post #71 » by **tfmiii** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:40 am

this was posted on our board, thought I would repost it here:

el_turco_1987 wrote:According to a turkish source the celtics are targeting Enes Kanter (Jazz)..

http://www.nbaarena.com/haber/2584/e...icsle-aniliyor

Don't know how serious and trustful this source is and i dont think there is any chance..

people on our board are saying it would take avery bradley and sullinger to even have a chance... thoughts?

babyjax13 · Post #72 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:52 am

I think it would take more, honestly. The only way you'd get Kanter is if Rondo was coming our way and I don't think that's happening.

The59Sound · Post #73 » by **The59Sound** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:55 am

babyjax13 wrote:I think it would take more, honestly. The only way you'd get Kanter is if Rondo was coming our way and I don't think that's happening.

Tend to agree. Boston would rightfully balk at giving up Rondo, but we probably wouldn't trade Kanter for less.

tfmiii · Post #74 » by **tfmiii** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:48 pm

sounds like Kanter should be starting, i guess this is why there is a fire ty corbin thread

Fido · Post #75 » by **Fido** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:44 pm

tfmiii wrote:this was posted on our board, thought I would repost it here:

el_turco_1987 wrote:According to a turkish source the celtics are targeting Enes Kanter (Jazz)..

http://www.nbaarena.com/haber/2584/e...icsle-aniliyor

Don't know how serious and trustful this source is and i dont think there is any chance..

people on our board are saying it would take avery bradley and sullinger to even have a chance... thoughts?

Avery Bradley ($1.6 mill) could eventually be a good PG, but so far he is unproven and is currently injured so his trade value is low. Jared Sullinger's ($1.3 mill) numbers are alot like Kanter ($4.4 mill) so it depends on which player you think has a higher ceiling. I'd rather stick with Kanter as he is developing. The Bradley/Sullinger package doesn't really do much for me--especially with the roster already at 15 so a 2-for-1 means someone gets cut.

ack · Post #76 » by **ack** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:18 pm

Bradley-Fab Melo and 2 round pick for Enes may enough

falcon107 · Post #77 » by **falcon107** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:33 am

ack wrote:Bradley-Fab Melo and 2 round pick for Enes may enough

Kanter must leave Utah ASAP. It would be good for both Kanter and Utah. Utah now needs talents at the Guard positions. If one way to have them is losing Kanter, then let it be.

Luigi · Post #78 » by **Luigi** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:14 am

You have a strange idea of why to move players. It's about accumulating assets.

Utah is well staffed at every position right now:
Point Guard - We have 3 starting quality.
Shooting Guard - We have a lottery pick in development (Burks), a combo guard (Foye), and a developing young talent (Hayward).
Small Forward - Marvin is ready to log big minutes in a new system, and Hayward likes the backup minutes
Power Forward - We have a double double veteran (Millsap) and a high hopes youngster (Favors)
Center - We have a post player (Jefferson) and a developing rebounder (Kanter).

Everyone is fighting for minutes. Every position but point guard has a long term project. I don't understand why Kanter has to leave ASAP and we need talented guards. There is no glaring need. But if the right deal comes along where you get more assets for less, I'd take it. I don't think anyone is untouchable right now. We're waiting to see who breaks out, and what offers are on the table. Anyone could move.

falcon107 · Post #79 » by **falcon107** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:44 pm

Luigi wrote:Everyone is fighting for minutes. Every position but point guard has a long term project. I don't understand why Kanter has to leave ASAP and we need talented guards.

Because right now Utah is wasting its long term project for the sake of a play-off spot not more. This team can only reach the play-offs not more. Instead of just going to the play-offs, it is better to develop young core , add a young and promising guard to the young core, but then losing some spots....
Jefferson and Milsap showed what they are capable or not capable, let Favors and Kanter play, and let them develop...

Post #80 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:02 pm

Luigi wrote:You have a strange idea of why to move players. It's about accumulating assets.

Utah is well staffed at every position right now:
Point Guard - We have 3 starting quality..

Where are they and why didn't any of them play against the Celtics?