Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[Randle McMurphy]

This thread (or perhaps some variation outlining the movement) should be stickied, I think. It's time for the entire forum to get on board.

[andyo]

This thread (or perhaps some variation outlining the movement) should be stickied, I think. It's time for the entire forum to get on board.

Time to sig up yourself, your one of the more respected posters on these boards.

[Randle McMurphy]

This thread (or perhaps some variation outlining the movement) should be stickied, I think. It's time for the entire forum to get on board.

Time to sig up yourself, your one of the more respected posters on these boards.

Fair enough. It is done.

[UN-Owen]

Every time somethings gone wrong, BC has found a way to make amends with the fans by making some kind of trade. The most recent one was when Nash fell through and he traded for Lowry... I think something is in the works and we can expect a trade in the near future. I'm hoping BC makes the right decision here because his jobs definitely on the line.

Unfortunately, that "some kind of trade" never leads to more winning

[JustWin]

I fully support this thread.

[Volcano]

Alridge was Bosh's friend. Yes, Bosh liked LMA. However LMA didn't make sense for the Raptors. Why? Because he was categorized as a Bosh clone, and the general consensus was that, he wouldnt fit into the team. (if only I could dig up those 2006 draft threads..)
...

If you think Alridge is less of a C than Bargnani like BC had thought then I guess you have the same views in the game, and Chicago picked Thomas but traded him as soon as they realized the mistake they made,...

Agree with dTox. Aldridge wasn't a fit NOT because he was a Bosh clone, but because he specifically said didn't want to play C. BC sold Bargnani as the Raptors' future C and that was why he was considered a better fit.

But after 2 futile years at C, Colangelo realized his mistake and proceeded to trade for JO and put Bargs at SF. When that didn't work, BC reversed course and put him back at C, which meant that JO had to go since there's no way his favorite son would be coming off the bench. It was at this time that BC should've traded Bargs because he couldn't co-exist with Bosh. This is one of too many mistakes that BC couldn't fix.

I remember wanting Aldridge because he could at least develop into a C as well. I remember him having more of a C's game than Bargs, so not drafting Aldridge because he wasn't a centre doesn't make sense.

Bargs actually co-existed pretty well with Bosh on the offensive end, we had one of the best offensive frontcourts in the league

That's also because Bargs is an offensive C/mismatch..so generally, he'd fit well offensively alongside a lot of bigs. I would think a good offensive low post presence would help Bosh a lot also. Bargnani is actually like a poor man's Bosh who stretches it to the 3 point line..with worse post moves and worse iso moves. They basically rely on their jumper and drive.

[I am Wolverine]

Hello everyone,long time reader first time poster here on Real GM!

I think what frustrates me most about BC and being a Toronto Raptors fan is that BC doesn't know how to buy LOW and sell HIGH.

I think everybody can see that Andrea Bargnani is pretty much maxed out as far as improvement goes and considering we were "tanking" last season and Andrea Bargnani was playing at career best levels.BC should have traded him for future picks/expiring contact or quality players at that point since we were tanking anyway.
I think we have missed the boat on trading Andrea for anything decent at this point, and will just have to settle for whatever happens in the future!.
With BC not being able to pull the trigger on players in trade sense & make the right moves "at the right time" ,the players stay in slumps longer knowing they are unlikely to be traded since Toronto will get next too nothing in return -(Landry Fields?) however had we persisted with Bargs for years and then traded him would be a nice wake up call for the players,and in return brings us assets.


On the other side of the coin BC has paid more than he had too for Landry Fields,Demarr Derozan & few years back Amir Johnson,don't get me wrong ...i actually like DD & Amir but....why pay more than we have too right?
Not too mention we signed Linas Klieza for 4.6 million to have him come of the bench for 12 minutes a game.

Right now Toronto are in a whole,Im still a believer in Dwayne Casey at this point ,but it's time for a shake up of the GM, a new set of eyes on the picture, a new outlook for the road ahead.

So yes i think Brian Collangelo should be sacked,clearly his methods are not working...It's time

Welcome to the boards and welcome to the Fire Colangelo movement my friend please rock a sig
and join the cause.

If i new how to rock the sig i would!...i even signed up to twitter just to get #FireBC trending!

Go Raptors

[B00Yah]

I fully support this thread.

United we stand.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

If he gets canned, he'll have had his chances, but if it's because of this season, it's too early and it's not going to change the mindset of the org to tank for a few more years or to try and sniff the post season. Other than fields mere presence, and we know a big reason why that is, I like the roster moves. Our issues so far have been cohesion and coaching. If you want to talk about overall over the last 7 years, sure. But the one thing that would have addressed that wasn't not picking bargs or not extending him, it would have been bailing on Bosh sooner, which I wanted and most didn't. That was it. Maybe being more patient keeping the 06/07 team together, But someone didn't want to play C for the team that drafted and maxed him. Yeah, in hindsight, just drafting Hibbert would have been good, too.

If and when he does get canned because they all do, it will be his ego that does him in. I mean, it seems we try and make his picks and moves work, rather than making them prove it by playing to a standard. That's been getting better with Casey at the helm, but it's still there. I'm always saying Bargs starts because he's our best front court option, esp at pf and I believe that. But, he's still and ideal 6th man. So just because Ed, and Amir aren't any better, doesn't mean we stop trying to find someone who is. Whether that was Drummond and we missed out, we'll have to see. I'd be more looking at making a move at a guy like West, to pair with Val, and have those three handle most of the frontcourt minutes and keep ED and Gray to spell them, or for depth.

Anyway, I'm not going to, at this point, cheer for his firing. I'd rather hope for a few wins at this point. Also, there's nothing firing him is going to do at this point. If you're tired of Bargs, I'd say to you to be patient. There's something about seeing two white dudes in the front court, that will either A, have to show real soon it has potential to work, of B, will have GM's calling soon figuring we'll be moving one soon.

[ReggieSlater]

Strange timing with this thread since the two most promising players on this team since Vince left have just started their raptors tenure.

[OAKLEY_2]

The succession is already in place for Stephanski. If the time arrives.

[ATLTimekeeper]

If and when he does get canned because they all do, it will be his ego that does him in. I mean, it seems we try and make his picks and moves work, rather than making them prove it by playing to a standard. That's been getting better with Casey at the helm, but it's still there. I'm always saying Bargs starts because he's our best front court option, esp at pf and I believe that. But, he's still and ideal 6th man. So just because Ed, and Amir aren't any better, doesn't mean we stop trying to find someone who is. Whether that was Drummond and we missed out, we'll have to see. I'd be more looking at making a move at a guy like West, to pair with Val, and have those three handle most of the frontcourt minutes and keep ED and Gray to spell them, or for depth.

Anyway, I'm not going to, at this point, cheer for his firing. I'd rather hope for a few wins at this point. Also, there's nothing firing him is going to do at this point. If you're tired of Bargs, I'd say to you to be patient. There's something about seeing two white dudes in the front court, that will either A, have to show real soon it has potential to work, of B, will have GM's calling soon figuring we'll be moving one soon.

Nice post. To me, I think it does come down to Bargnani and BC's ego. He would have bought himself some currency with the fanbase had he moved him at any point in the last few years, but he's either stuck on redemption or he can't get good value for him. I've yet to run into even a casual basketball fan in Toronto who likes Bargnani. I remember watching the 2006 draft with my brother-in-law, who knows next to nothing about the NBA and he said, "bad move." At the time, I was trying to justify it, thinking like a lot of us, that they know this kid better than anyone. Turns out they didn't, and they still don't. That kind of overconfidence has been sadly consistent throughout his tenure. And now that BC's job (possibly career) is on the line during the rebuild, he sticks with the guy that has shown nothing but glimpses of winning play.

[CoachJReturns]

The hilarious part of all of this will be when the team finishes 3rd last, then falls to 4th in the lottery.

[Komodo]

The succession is already in place for Stephanski. If the time arrives.

That's not good enough, but this is MLSE we are talking about. You cannot expect them to make the right decision. Ever.

The front office needs to be stripped. Bring in new people with fresh ideas. Stefanski is a retread. They need to being in a fresh young mind from a winning organization, preferably one from a small-market team so they are familiar with the constraints that such such a market brings.

Dennis Lindsay would have been ideal, but he was recently hired by the Jazz to be their new GM.

Troy Weaver seems like an ideal candidate.



Comes from a winning organization? Check.
Is familiar with small-market constraints? Check.
Has worked under a respectable GM? Check.
Comes from an organization that values the draft and on effective/efficient cap management? Check.

We need a GM who understands the realities of being a small market team. Small market do not get high end talent from free agency. So that means you're either getting talent via trade or from the draft. If your team is devoid of talent, how can you expect to pull off a trade where you are upgrading the talent level? At that point you're relying on your GM to be able to pull off a "rip off" trade which hardly ever, ever happens. So you're left with the draft. I really don't know much about Weaver, but he seems like a good fit for our team.

[CoachJReturns]

The succession is already in place for Stephanski. If the time arrives.

That's not good enough, but this is MLSE we are talking about. You cannot expect them to make the right decision. Ever.

The front office needs to be stripped. Bring in new people with fresh ideas. Stefanski is a retread. They need to being in a fresh young mind from a winning organization, preferably one from a small-market team so they are familiar with the constraints that such such a market brings.

Dennis Lindsay would have been ideal, but he was recently hired by the Jazz to be their new GM.

Troy Weaver seems like an ideal candidate.



Comes from a winning organization? Check.
Is familiar with small-market constraints? Check.
Has worked under a respectable GM? Check.
Comes from an organization that values the draft and on effective/efficient cap management? Check.

We need a GM who understands the realities of being a small market team. Small market do not get high end talent from free agency. So that means you're either getting talent via trade or from the draft. If your team is devoid of talent, how can you expect to pull off a trade where you are upgrading the talent level? At that point you're relying on your GM to be able to pull off a "rip off" trade which hardly ever, ever happens. So you're left with the draft. I really don't know much about Weaver, but he seems like a good fit for our team.

Thanks for providing a name. Whenever someone says we need a replacement, some BC fan boys say nobody is available. lol.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

BC is like the Antoine Walker of GMs, only worse with money. Everyone knows he's taking stupid shots, no one expects them to work and he's inexplicably proud of a 20% success rate.

[ATLTimekeeper]

BC is like the Antoine Walker of GMs, only worse with money. Everyone knows he's taking stupid shots, no one expects them to work and he's inexplicably proud of a 20% success rate.

[sycammer]

if this team isnt .500 by all star break, the writing will be on the wall; for sure he isnt going to be here.

short term - if raps are like 1-9 by 10 game mark, casey is gone for sure. as BC will try to salvage the situation and save his job.

[Garmfay]

As a long time BC defender, the Fields signing, along with trading a potential 4-6th pick for Lowry and taking Ross over Drummond did it for me as well. He needs to go. I just hope Stefanski goes with him, I would hate to have him as our next GM, hes the main guy that influenced the Ross pick.

[SDM]

Thanks for providing a name. Whenever someone says we need a replacement, some BC fan boys say nobody is available. lol.

I don't understand why some folks insist that there's no one competent or available who would want the position.

There are thousands of sports executives out there who would kill for the opportunity to make millions managing a pro basketball team. There are guys stuck behind premier NBA GMs who would jump ship in an instant if an attractive offer is made. To 99.9% of basketball executives this position pays more, has more prestige, and more growth opportunity than whatever position they're in now. Period. Everyone wants this job.

You literally can't name anyone specifically because there are many, many people who would take the job. It's one of 30 in the world, highest position available for any basketball executive... it's nuts to think that there's only BC and then everyone else.