Race to the MVP.

[TheGarden]

Listen to what you just said though... he should be a 30 and 11 guy??? okay well if you are right about that then there is no way that he shouldn't be MVP unless his team severely under performs.

I said should because he's a great scorer and with Ibaka and Perkins boxing out and his size and length he should get 10 boards a game

I said Westbrook will hold him back by shooting to many ill-advised shots and taking away his shots as well.

Also if the Thunder dont finish in the top 3 in the West then he has no chance. Spurs/Lakers/Clippers/Mavericks/Grizzles will make that hard for him

[TheGarden]

Its going to be between LeBron KD and CP3. I say KD will win it. Look at those rebounding numbers to start the season...ridiculous

a 6'11 guy averaging 11 rebounds isn't ridiculous, its expected to be honest. KD should be a 30 and 10 guy

Westbrook will likely hold him back though from MVP aspirations

Being 6'11 doesn't mean you should be averaging 11 boards... Look at Dirk. Dirk and KD are at the perimeter a lot so they are going to get less rebounds than non shooting SFs and PFs. Anyway his current rebounding is not sustainable.

27/9/4.5 is probably around what he will get at best. Less scoring since he wants to focus on passing more.

good points and I agree I doubt he keeps this up. Maybe around 8-9.5 a game

[bbms]

Ibaka box out.... this is new to me.

[UDRIH14]

dunno why ppl hatin on melo cause of his playoff chokeness whether out west or east, the teams that beatened him all went on to win or appear the finals if im not correct.....so theres nothing to be ashamed of

[OptimusOne6]

dunno why ppl hatin on melo cause of his playoff chokeness whether out west or east, the teams that beatened him all went on to win or appear the finals if im not correct.....so theres nothing to be ashamed of

You're thinking of Kevin Durant

Melo lost to 2011 Celtics, 2010 Jazz, 2006 Clippers, and 2004 T'Wolves.

[og15]

dunno why ppl hatin on melo cause of his playoff chokeness whether out west or east, the teams that beatened him all went on to win or appear the finals if im not correct.....so theres nothing to be ashamed of

You're thinking of Kevin Durant

Melo lost to 2011 Celtics, 2010 Jazz, 2006 Clippers, and 2004 T'Wolves.

He did lose to the eventual champions in other years though, but outside of the Clippers and Jazz, the others were very good opponents.

The only other comment I have is "beatened"? The spell check didn't say anything about that?

[primecougar]

using fg% for a guy like melo is stupid because so many times he misses, grabs the board, misses grabs the reb and than scores. in a sequence he goes 1-3 or 1-4 but he scores the ball and he wasnt hogging.

for ex last night kobe throws the ball of the backboard tries to dunk it, misses, gets the reb misses the layup and pau tips it in. kobe goes 0-3 but his play still got the team 2 points without him hogging but stats cant expalin this.

watch the games

[TheGarden]

using fg% for a guy like melo is stupid because so many times he misses, grabs the board, misses grabs the reb and than scores. in a sequence he goes 1-3 or 1-4 but he scores the ball and he wasnt hogging.

for ex last night kobe throws the ball of the backboard tries to dunk it, misses, gets the reb misses the layup and pau tips it in. kobe goes 0-3 but his play still got the team 2 points without him hogging but stats cant expalin this.

watch the games

thank you

eye test>>>>>stats>>>>>>>advanced stats

[NYK_89]

dunno why ppl hatin on melo cause of his playoff chokeness whether out west or east, the teams that beatened him all went on to win or appear the finals if im not correct.....so theres nothing to be ashamed of

You're thinking of Kevin Durant

Melo lost to 2011 Celtics, 2010 Jazz, 2006 Clippers, and 2004 T'Wolves.

He did lose to the eventual champions in other years though, but outside of the Clippers and Jazz, the others were very good opponents.

The only other comment I have is "beatened"? The spell check didn't say anything about that?

Lol gotta love this stuff trying to discount him for losses in his rookie season when he was 19 years old
and a 2006 loss as a 21 year old.
The only true blemish is 2010 but Deron basically played the series of his life on the other side

[kamelion4291]

using fg% for a guy like melo is stupid because so many times he misses, grabs the board, misses grabs the reb and than scores. in a sequence he goes 1-3 or 1-4 but he scores the ball and he wasnt hogging.

for ex last night kobe throws the ball of the backboard tries to dunk it, misses, gets the reb misses the layup and pau tips it in. kobe goes 0-3 but his play still got the team 2 points without him hogging but stats cant expalin this.

watch the games

All you have to do is spend 2 seconds to check that Carmelo's averaging 1.8 offensive rebounds per game for the season to show that you're wrong. That's exactly why nobody pays attention to the "eye test". You're using the "eye test" with blue and orange glasses on.

[NYK_89]

using fg% for a guy like melo is stupid because so many times he misses, grabs the board, misses grabs the reb and than scores. in a sequence he goes 1-3 or 1-4 but he scores the ball and he wasnt hogging.

for ex last night kobe throws the ball of the backboard tries to dunk it, misses, gets the reb misses the layup and pau tips it in. kobe goes 0-3 but his play still got the team 2 points without him hogging but stats cant expalin this.

watch the games

All you have to do is spend 2 seconds to check that Carmelo's averaging 1.8 offensive rebounds per game for the season to show that you're wrong. That's exactly why nobody pays attention to the "eye test". You're using the "eye test" with blue and orange glasses on.

how many of those offensive boards do you think he didnt put right back up

[og15]

using fg% for a guy like melo is stupid because so many times he misses, grabs the board, misses grabs the reb and than scores. in a sequence he goes 1-3 or 1-4 but he scores the ball and he wasnt hogging.

for ex last night kobe throws the ball of the backboard tries to dunk it, misses, gets the reb misses the layup and pau tips it in. kobe goes 0-3 but his play still got the team 2 points without him hogging but stats cant expalin this.

watch the games

thank you

eye test>>>>>stats>>>>>>>advanced stats

Eye test is not always the best measure, these all need to combined, and some can be better than others depending on what you are trying to determine. I don't have some proportions, but eye test is way too subjective, especially when we have all these people watching the same players and getting very varying conclusions. If there were no individual statistics, it would be interesting to see who people called the best players, etc.

Statistics have grown, the eye test cop out is getting much weaker. You see that one time he gets a lot of tips, and you extrapolate it to him going 1/3 or 1/4 every game doing that and say "well his FG% is because of that". Why should I believe that you are accurate? What if someone says his FG% get's a boost because he get's a lot of tip ins, should I believe you or them? In addition, Anthony doesn't average that many offensive rebounds a game.

Carmelo shot 80% on tip ins last season, and he shot 47.4% overall on offensive rebounds. Both those plays would have helped his FG%. So according to both of you, offensive rebounding was hurting his FG%, but we checked the numbers and in fact it was not, so how well did eye test work out there. You need both. You say "I think offensive rebounds affect his FG%", you go check the numbers, if they support you, great, if they disagree, then your perception was wrong, that's how one should do things. This is a simpler thing to check, more advanced things require more than just checking some number.

[TheGarden]

using fg% for a guy like melo is stupid because so many times he misses, grabs the board, misses grabs the reb and than scores. in a sequence he goes 1-3 or 1-4 but he scores the ball and he wasnt hogging.

for ex last night kobe throws the ball of the backboard tries to dunk it, misses, gets the reb misses the layup and pau tips it in. kobe goes 0-3 but his play still got the team 2 points without him hogging but stats cant expalin this.

watch the games

thank you

eye test>>>>>stats>>>>>>>advanced stats

Eye test is not always the best measure, these all need to combined, and some can be better than others depending on what you are trying to determine. I don't have some proportions, but eye test is way too subjective, especially when we have all these people watching the same players and getting very varying conclusions. If there were no individual statistics, it would be interesting to see who people called the best players, etc.

Statistics have grown, the eye test cop out is getting much weaker. You see that one time he gets a lot of tips, and you extrapolate it to him going 1/3 or 1/4 every game doing that and say "well his FG% is because of that". Why should I believe that you are accurate? What if someone says his FG% get's a boost because he get's a lot of tip ins, should I believe you or them? In addition, Anthony doesn't average that many offensive rebounds a game.

Carmelo shot 80% on tip ins last season, and he shot 47.4% overall on offensive rebounds. Both those plays would have helped his FG%. So according to both of you, offensive rebounding was hurting his FG%, but we checked the numbers and in fact it was not, so how well did eye test work out there. You need both. You say "I think offensive rebounds affect his FG%", you go check the numbers, if they support you, great, if they disagree, then your perception was wrong, that's how one should do things. This is a simpler thing to check, more advanced things require more than just checking some number.

The eye test should be the biggest factor

The game is played on the hardwood not with computers and metrics. This isn't fantasy basketball statistics dont mean **** to me. The Knicks are 4-0, Carmelo is the best player on the Knicks and is playing great basketball

There's nothing more to discuss, not his last 9 years in the league, thats irrelevant to this year, he's a new player and its a new day

[kamelion4291]

So what you're saying is that you will completely ignore data that argues with what you think you're watching, even when it points to the contrary. Does that sound objective to you?

On a side note, do the Knicks ever play basketball? How have they only played 4 games?

[StephNYKurry]

Here is something that the stats can't account for...how about the missed shots in the paint due to him being fouled. Carmelo would average 30 a night, on 50% shooting, if he curried the same favor, from referees as other superstars as Lebron and Durant.

Don't give me FTA as a response either, I'm well aware that Lebron, Melo, and Durant average about the same when it comes to FTA, but you can't quantify the amount of missed calls.

[Run DLC]

LeBron needs to start getting more aggressive on the offensive end. I know it's still early in the season, but he needs to start putting up 30+ points.

[kamelion4291]

Here is something that the stats can't account for...how about the missed shots in the paint due to him being fouled. Carmelo would average 30 a night, on 50% shooting, if he curried the same favor, from referees as other superstars as Lebron and Durant.

Don't give me FTA as a response either, I'm well aware that Lebron, Melo, and Durant average about the same when it comes to FTA, but you can't quantify the amount of missed calls.

This thread has turned into "Let's make up things for Carmelo Anthony" apparently. If Carmelo Anthony was getting fouled at the basket with no calls, and LeBron and Durant get the foul calls, then Carmelo Anthony would average significantly more attempts at the basket than the other two because his attempts would actually count, as opposed to getting nullified by fouls. He doesn't, therefore it doesn't happen. This isn't rocket science.

[NYK_89]

So what you're saying is that you will completely ignore data that argues with what you think you're watching, even when it points to the contrary. Does that sound objective to you?

On a side note, do the Knicks ever play basketball? How have they only played 4 games?

That whole hurricane thing ring a bell?

[kamelion4291]

So what you're saying is that you will completely ignore data that argues with what you think you're watching, even when it points to the contrary. Does that sound objective to you?

On a side note, do the Knicks ever play basketball? How have they only played 4 games?

That whole hurricane thing ring a bell?

Didn't they only reschedule 1 game? Even if they had played that game, they'd have played 5 games. Miami's playing their 8th tonight for instance.

[gethigh]

So what you're saying is that you will completely ignore data that argues with what you think you're watching, even when it points to the contrary. Does that sound objective to you?

On a side note, do the Knicks ever play basketball? How have they only played 4 games?

That whole hurricane thing ring a bell?

Didn't they only reschedule 1 game? Even if they had played that game, they'd have played 5 games. Miami's playing their 8th tonight for instance.

Point? All teams play 82 games in the same period of time. Just means Knicks will have more B2Bs/5 games in 7 nights coming up in the schedule and Miami will have a slower schedule.