Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

Scase · Post #661 » by **Scase** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:45 pm

The Infamous1 wrote:Hes bad, but You guys make it seem like he's isiah with the knicks

You make it seem like he's that far off......

The_Hater · Post #662 » by **The_Hater** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:48 pm

SDM wrote:
The Infamous1 wrote:Hes bad, but You guys make it seem like he's isiah with the knicks

At a certain point, bad is just bad. There's no use in comparing Hitler to Stalin. Both terrible.

Awesome. Simply awesome.

lucky777s · Post #663 » by **lucky777s** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:40 pm

We've seen Isiah in TOR.

We've seen BC in TOR.

I would take Isiah in a heartbeat. And why do BC supporters always look for someone they think is the absolute worst GM in the league and compare BC to them??? Answer me that. Why don't you compare him to the best, or at least the top half of GMs?? Cause he is getting paid like he is the best.

I think Kahn and King are horrible GMs. But both have done better jobs than BC. Kahn made some of the worst draft picks ever and still built a better team than BC, and hired a coach that is miles ahead of anyone TOR has ever had.

Snooch · Post #664 » by **Snooch** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:47 pm

A change needs to be made so that this franchise can work toward shedding the negative aura surrounding it.
And the wheels(coaches/players) on the bus can only be changed so many times before you gotta realize that the problem lies not in the wheels but in the roads that the driver(bc) is taking.

During BC's tenure there has been far to many overhauls, with different sorts of players, different coaches, different styles that still has yet to work. He makes a coaching change then gets guys in whose playing style matches the coach that he got rid of...its clear that bc is a guy just shooting from the hip, and firing randomly and in quick succession hoping that 1 or 2 shots actually hit the target.

andyo · Post #665 » by **andyo** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:04 pm

lucky777s wrote: And why do BC supporters always look for someone they think is the absolute worst GM in the league and compare BC to them??? Answer me that.

Well said. It was like the other day where a poster compared Jeff Green's contract to Derozan's instead of guys in his draft class like Lawson, Curry, Gibson, Holliday.

They have to make the weakest straw man arguments to make their point seem relevant.

Dr Positivity · Post #666 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:25 pm

andyo wrote:
lucky777s wrote: And why do BC supporters always look for someone they think is the absolute worst GM in the league and compare BC to them??? Answer me that.

Well said. It was like the other day where a poster compared Jeff Green's contract to Derozan's instead of guys in his draft class like Lawson, Curry, Gibson, Holliday.

They have to make the weakest straw man arguments to make their point seem relevant.

You know things have gotten desperate on the BC defender side when dagger brought up New Orleans extending Eric Gordon and getting his knee problems as a reason Derozan's extension wasn't so bad

OAKLEY_2 · Post #667 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:15 pm

We've seen Isiah in TOR.

We've seen BC in TOR.

I would take Isiah in a heartbeat.

What are you smoking?

DHK · Post #668 » by **DHK** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:27 pm

lucky777s wrote:We've seen Isiah in TOR.

We've seen BC in TOR.

I would take Isiah in a heartbeat. And why do BC supporters always look for someone they think is the absolute worst GM in the league and compare BC to them??? Answer me that. Why don't you compare him to the best, or at least the top half of GMs?? Cause he is getting paid like he is the best.

I think Kahn and King are horrible GMs. But both have done better jobs than BC. Kahn made some of the worst draft picks ever and still built a better team than BC, and hired a coach that is miles ahead of anyone TOR has ever had.

Ok. I do acknowledge that bc track record with the raps is terrible however isaiah takes terrible to new levels.

West Rouge · Post #669 » by **West Rouge** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:47 pm

DHK wrote:
lucky777s wrote:We've seen Isiah in TOR.

We've seen BC in TOR.

I would take Isiah in a heartbeat. And why do BC supporters always look for someone they think is the absolute worst GM in the league and compare BC to them??? Answer me that. Why don't you compare him to the best, or at least the top half of GMs?? Cause he is getting paid like he is the best.

I think Kahn and King are horrible GMs. But both have done better jobs than BC. Kahn made some of the worst draft picks ever and still built a better team than BC, and hired a coach that is miles ahead of anyone TOR has ever had.

Ok. I do acknowledge that bc track record with the raps is terrible however isaiah takes terrible to new levels.

Just because we can find someone who is worse does not justify the horrible job BC has done.

Chevy Chase · Post #670 » by **Chevy Chase** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:54 pm

Phil Jackson for GM!!!!!

thebigv · Post #671 » by **thebigv** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:55 pm

Anyone can say what they want, but with the last 7 years, BC is closing in on being the worst gm in the league during that period

West Rouge · Post #672 » by **West Rouge** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:55 pm

sci96krusty wrote:Phil Jackson for GM!!!!!

Id take Phil Mcrackin over BC

grumpwalter · Post #673 » by **grumpwalter** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:56 pm

thebigv wrote:Anyone can say what they want, but with the last 7 years, BC is closing in on being the worst gm in the league during that period

I can't think of anyone worse than him right now.

thebigv · Post #674 » by **thebigv** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:05 am

I am trying to think of someone with a worse record over the last 7 years. If there is anyone CLOSE, there is no possible way that they kept their jobs. So why has he?

Primetime23 · Post #675 » by **Primetime23** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:09 am

How can 53 people think that he should still have this job?

Dr Octagon · Post #676 » by **Dr Octagon** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:11 am

lucky777s wrote:And why do BC supporters always look for someone they think is the absolute worst GM in the league and compare BC to them??? Answer me that.

Because BC is in the class of the absolute worst GMs in the league.

Ditchweed · Post #677 » by **Ditchweed** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:39 am

So you people want to get rid of BC ... OK, but let's get this to a better level, who do we get to replace him?

Please no stupid answers like: anybody can do better, me the poster, or GMs already taken and who aren't available like Presti or Kupchak or Riley ... who do we actually go after and that MLSE would accept?

Do we move Ed Stefanski up to that spot? Isiah Thomas (God forbid)? Who???

grumpwalter · Post #678 » by **grumpwalter** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:48 am

Ditchweed wrote:So you people want to get rid of BC ... OK, but let's get this to a better level, who do we get to replace him?

Please no stupid answers like: anybody can do better, me the poster, or GMs already taken and who aren't available like Presti or Kupchak or Riley ... who do we actually go after and that MLSE would accept?

Do we move Ed Stefanski up to that spot? Isiah Thomas (God forbid)? Who???

Mark Warkentien is available.

Ditchweed · Post #679 » by **Ditchweed** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:17 am

SDM wrote:
CoachJReturns wrote:
Thanks for providing a name. Whenever someone says we need a replacement, some BC fan boys say nobody is available. lol.

I don't understand why some folks insist that there's no one competent or available who would want the position.

There are thousands of sports executives out there who would kill for the opportunity to make millions managing a pro basketball team. There are guys stuck behind premier NBA GMs who would jump ship in an instant if an attractive offer is made. To 99.9% of basketball executives this position pays more, has more prestige, and more growth opportunity than whatever position they're in now. Period. Everyone wants this job.

You literally can't name anyone specifically because there are many, many people who would take the job. It's one of 30 in the world, highest position available for any basketball executive... it's nuts to think that there's only BC and then everyone else.

Unfortunately that doesn't say anything helpful. If there are thousands and not even one can't be named, then there may not be thousands. I'm not saying changing out BC is not necessarily a bad thing, but until some tangible name(s) can be put in place, firing BC just stays as only a complaint without being anything to help solve the situation.

In a real business environment, if someone comes up with a complaint and it is only just a complaint without a tangible solution, then one of two things will happen: either your opinion is disregarded, or you inherit the issue and have to solve the problem with a tangible solution and with the business plan to do it.

Anyway, would MLSE just take any name without a proven track record? They are the ones to make the call. Even though there might be a good person, would they take the gamble or play it safe? No doubt MLSE is looking at this but there is far more involved with this than just RealGM poster whine, the replacement would definitely have to fit in with MLSE's business goals.

whysoserious · Post #680 » by **whysoserious** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:18 am

DHK wrote:Ok. I do acknowledge that bc track record with the raps is terrible however isaiah takes terrible to new levels.

Isiah has no impact on BC's tenure in Toronto. Why are we even discussing him? The question is has BC been good or bad in Toronto? The answer is bad.

You can fire him and hire a guy that worse, equal or better. But that doesn't matter. What matters is that BC has simply failed at building a team in Toronto that fans can support and can make the playoffs.

He has done other things off the court that will make MLSE happy and I'm sure the new owners don't care about the fans at all and only the bottom line based on their other businesses.

Fire BC?