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Should Chris Bosh become Miami's second option?[Poll]

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Should Miami Heat try Chris Bosh as the second option?

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Re: Should Chris Bosh become Miami's second option?[Poll] 

Post#21 » by DieHardBallFan » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:50 am

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Tien wrote:Don't you guys get it yet?

This team isn't about 1st / 2nd / 3rd options.

They don't think that way. Sure LeBron is the point forward, but they're about the hot hand and whomever is open to make a shot.

I'm tired of seeing Dwyane Wade getting crapped on, same thing last year.


He is not getting crapped on. Bosh is in his prime and it is being wasted. Wade is amazing, but his style of play and age does not fit for this Miami Heat team. He is past his prime and the staff should adjust. He will always be one of the best players in the league but when you have a player like Bosh who can be used in so many different ways but isn't because we have Wade, we got to single someone out.


And how is he being wasted? Do you think he doesn't receive enough touches? Minus the Rockets game, Bosh has a USG% of 26.2, pretty much the same as Wade's 26.5 and a little less than LeBron's 28.1%. Bosh is receiving plenty opportunities within this offense, it's all a matter of well he and the others use them. As I said before, it's more so the Big Three hiding behind our shooters too much so far than anything else, but even that can change as evidenced by tonight.

This is an overreaction to a few games of the regular season, without even taking our new offensive approach into consideration. If you're gonna start a thread like this, at least wait around 20 games to not make your overreaction too obvious.


If you are sitting there and truly thinking Bosh is receiving enough touches then I don't think you are watching Miami Heat games. I said it earlier. Bosh went perfect in the first quarter with 10 points. Clear sign he is hot, and a coach would normally feed the hot hand. From 4 minutes in the first Bosh went on and didn't touch the ball again until 4 minutes left in the 2nd. That is unacceptable. You think Bosh is getting touches because of his activeness in the offense. In reality he has not had more then 3 plays called for him in 1 game the entire season so far. He has gone 1 on 1 maybe a total of 6 times in 6 games. If Bosh's 17 footer wasn't on fire he would have probably the 4th most shots on the team. Bosh is stepping up regardless of his sitatuon so it causes fans to ignore the offense being ran for him.

What I feel needs to happen is more ISO's with Bosh in the corner, freeing up shooters and lanes for Wade and Lebron to drive. Or bosh at the top corner of the key driving looking for the foul or using his soft touch at the rim. Rebounding is not Bosh's strong point so we should not be relying on Wade to clear out and Bosh to attempt to push centers around for the board, it just doesn't make sense.
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Re: Should Chris Bosh become Miami's second option?[Poll] 

Post#22 » by DieHardBallFan » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:51 am

cb1 wrote:No. Whoever has the hot hand will be the first option and then the second option will naturally follow suit.


This is the opposite of what Spole is doing. Hot hand seems to be a myth to him.
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Post#23 » by Ikcelaks » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:16 am

For the sake of argument, I'll ignore the fact that 8 regular season games is a pretty small sample-size.

The Heat offense has been absurdly good this season. This is, if anything, an indication that they should keep doing roughly what they're already doing. This isn't just a case of "leave well enough alone". This is a case of "leave exceptionally awesome alone".

More to the point, the pro-Bosh / anti-Wade arguments have two problems, IMO. One, they vastly exaggerate how "bad" Wade has been in this (very short) season. Two, they assume that if some Bosh is great, then more Bosh is automatically better. Maybe consciously focusing more on Bosh would improve the over-all efficiency of the team, but it's also very possible that the high level of success of both the team as a whole and Bosh as an individual is in large part due to them already using Bosh in a near optimal fashion.
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Re: Should Chris Bosh become Miami's second option?[Poll] 

Post#24 » by WiseOwlWins » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:25 pm

DieHardBallFan wrote:
Tien wrote:Don't you guys get it yet?

This team isn't about 1st / 2nd / 3rd options.

They don't think that way. Sure LeBron is the point forward, but they're about the hot hand and whomever is open to make a shot.

I'm tired of seeing Dwyane Wade getting crapped on, same thing last year.


He is not getting crapped on. Bosh is in his prime and it is being wasted. Wade is amazing, but his style of play and age does not fit for this Miami Heat team. He is past his prime and the staff should adjust. He will always be one of the best players in the league but when you have a player like Bosh who can be used in so many different ways but isn't because we have Wade, we got to single someone out.


funniest post ive seen in a while. he's amazing yet his skillset and age doesnt fit wit hthis team? do me a favor and watch every game again since lebron got here. you said it best "we got to single someone out". yeah for the sake a singling someone out. it's rediculous.
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Re: Should Chris Bosh become Miami's second option?[Poll] 

Post#25 » by El Alonzo scowl » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:02 pm

Our uncoventionality is why we are who we are and we won the title and are in position to win more. We have 3 guys who we could legitimately run the offense through. That unpredictability and those options are great to have.

I wouldn't be opposed to having a more structured approach in the regular season to conserve LeBron and Wade, thus run the offense a lot more through Bosh. But in the playoffs I want that unpredictability and swiss-army knife versality we have to be used to the fullest. Always put the ball in Bron's hands at the end of games but whoever is winning their match-up best through a series, use him most.
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Re: Should Chris Bosh become Miami's second option?[Poll] 

Post#26 » by DWadeno3 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:56 pm

DieHardBallFan wrote:If you are sitting there and truly thinking Bosh is receiving enough touches then I don't think you are watching Miami Heat games. I said it earlier. Bosh went perfect in the first quarter with 10 points. Clear sign he is hot, and a coach would normally feed the hot hand. From 4 minutes in the first Bosh went on and didn't touch the ball again until 4 minutes left in the 2nd. That is unacceptable. You think Bosh is getting touches because of his activeness in the offense. In reality he has not had more then 3 plays called for him in 1 game the entire season so far. He has gone 1 on 1 maybe a total of 6 times in 6 games. If Bosh's 17 footer wasn't on fire he would have probably the 4th most shots on the team. Bosh is stepping up regardless of his sitatuon so it causes fans to ignore the offense being ran for him.

What I feel needs to happen is more ISO's with Bosh in the corner, freeing up shooters and lanes for Wade and Lebron to drive. Or bosh at the top corner of the key driving looking for the foul or using his soft touch at the rim. Rebounding is not Bosh's strong point so we should not be relying on Wade to clear out and Bosh to attempt to push centers around for the board, it just doesn't make sense.


Well, the point of our offense is to not call plays for anyone, but to freelance and find the best possible shot. Thus, if a player is active, he'll receive plenty of opportunities to score. Regarding the lack of touches or substitutions despite someone being hot, that happened to Wade too. It's up to them to look for the ball and thus for their shots. It's not Spo's job to force feed him, as this would go against the principles of our new offense. It's the other players' job to find him and CB's job to demand the ball and get into good spots for himself.

Here's a general thought though: Maybe we're not finding CB because after scoring 10 points in a quarter, the defense has adjusted and we find other, better shots based on it. Maybe CB realizes this himself and thus doesn't demand the ball just because he scored a lot in one quarter. It's the basic concept of basketball to always look for the best shot possible and depending on how the defense plays you, that may be an open Allen three, a Wade/James drive or a Bosh jumper.

Regarding the isolation, I can't believe you actually went there. In the 10/11 season, everybody complained about us relying too much on isolation basketball. Most people claimed we were not a team, but just a bunch of very talented individuals, which to a certain degree was true. Now that we're having a very good offensive system in place, which allows everybody to assert themselves accordingly, you want us to run isoations just for the sake of giving Bosh more touches? That's definitely not the most efficient way to run the Heat offense.

We're seven games into the season and for five of those, our offense has looked great, despite Wade's subpar start into the season. With that being said, I stand by the fact that this thread is solely an overreaction to Wade's poor and Bosh's good start into the season.
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Re: Should Chris Bosh become Miami's second option?[Poll] 

Post#27 » by MiaHeat88 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:24 pm

Arguably, one can argue that Bosh already is the 2nd option this year. Through attrition.
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Post#28 » by EscapoTHB » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:54 pm

Here's a more controversial idea. Who is more important to our d bosh or wade? The way bosh plays the pick and roll is huge for us.

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Post#29 » by Heat fan06 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:01 pm

He CAN as bosh is a quailty player but wade will be 2nd option for a while... He always starts off slow.
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Re: Should Chris Bosh become Miami's second option?[Poll] 

Post#30 » by ERRDAY3 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:16 pm

EscapoTHB wrote:I think wade is the only guy on our team who forces it if he isn't hot.

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I think the main reason Wade forces is shots is because he doesn't get enough touches to get in rhythm. Wade doesn't take a lot of shots but a lot of those shots are forced and he didn't force shots before 2011 so that tells me Wade is not being used properly.
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Post#31 » by Pimpwerx » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:56 pm

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EscapoTHB wrote:I think wade is the only guy on our team who forces it if he isn't hot.

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I think the main reason Wade forces is shots is because he doesn't get enough touches to get in rhythm. Wade doesn't take a lot of shots but a lot of those shots are forced and he didn't force shots before 2011 so that tells me Wade is not being used properly.

While Wade plays off-ball better than Lebron (in terms of cuts and movement), he really benefits a lot from handling the ball. He used to handle it every possession, but now it's Bron. Wade handling all the time meant he had more scoring opportunities, and thus more high-percentage looks. So he could pass our of them a lot more because he could still get his numbers on volume. Now his touches are limited, so he seems to be taking more ill-advised shots to keep his production up.

He's still efficient though, just not as efficient as Bron. He's not even playing that much different from how he did before, just that Bron looks that much better out there. I think it really speaks highly of Bron that he makes one of the best players in the league look somewhat inefficient.

That said, I've been in favor of Bosh being the 1st or 2nd scoring option since 2010. He's our best midrange shooter, and will have the bigger mismatch most games because Wade and Bron will command double-teams far more than him. So he's almost always gonna be single-covered by a C or PF who's either too big and slow to stay in front of him, or too small to harass him in the post or shooting. I think that's when the team is playing unselfish, we're seeing Bosh come out as one of the top 2 scorers. PEACE.
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Post#32 » by jjgp111292 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:08 pm

I would honestly be content if Miami's offense was just LeBron and Bosh spamming pick & rolls for 48 minutes. It's beautiful.

On a serious note, i think Bosh should be the second option against some of the bigger teams, because of the mismatches he creates.
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