Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[theSkinny]

The ushers at the ACC will ensure it never gets started. They will also confiscate any signs that hint at negatives about BC or say anything negative about the Raptors.

The Raptors on the Canadian Stephen Harper theories of media and opinion control.

Just like how ushers prevented Chris Mullin from being booed at his own ceremony

When did they have a Ceremony for Mullin at the ACC I missed that one?

Try again

[thebigv]

Please fire him

[elmer_yuck]

I'd like to get one of these jobs like Bryan Colangelo has.
Horrible results year after year, actually getting worse year after year, wasting huge amounts of money with nothing to show for it, making mistakes that anyone with half a brain wouldn't make, and yet still employed.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I'd like to get one of these jobs like Bryan Colangelo has.
Horrible results year after year, actually getting worse year after year, wasting huge amounts of money with nothing to show for it, making mistakes that anyone with half a brain wouldn't make, and yet still employed.

Ok, but would you do it for only $5M per?

[Mr Dynasty]

I'd like to get one of these jobs like Bryan Colangelo has.
Horrible results year after year, actually getting worse year after year, wasting huge amounts of money with nothing to show for it, making mistakes that anyone with half a brain wouldn't make, and yet still employed.

Hahahahahahaha someones sad with their lot in life.

[Scase]

I'd like to get one of these jobs like Bryan Colangelo has.
Horrible results year after year, actually getting worse year after year, wasting huge amounts of money with nothing to show for it, making mistakes that anyone with half a brain wouldn't make, and yet still employed.

Hahahahahahaha someones sad with their lot in life.

Really? Cause I'm pretty happy with where I'm at and I wouldn't turn down a job offering to pay me 5mil/yr for a terrible job.

[Mr Dynasty]

I added the extra ha's because I actually laughed out loud when I read that. Gold. Also nobody would give you a job paying $5mil/year to do a bad job because you didnt go to an elite university and have the credentials he has. You can fantasize about what it takes to be a GM thats all it will ever be is fantasy.

[Ditchweed]

So you people want to get rid of BC ... OK, but let's get this to a better level, who do we get to replace him?

Please no stupid answers like: anybody can do better, me the poster, or GMs already taken and who aren't available like Presti or Kupchak or Riley ... who do we actually go after and that MLSE would accept?

Do we move Ed Stefanski up to that spot? Isiah Thomas (God forbid)? Who???

I know what you're trying to say but honestly throwing money and the job at ANY assistant GM on a somewhat decent team would be an improvement over BC and his last 7 years of garbage.

The important thing is less who to replace him with and more clearing out the entire front office. They are all yes men for the same tool, this franchise needs to be rebooted entirely. Since we can't fire owners clearing out then entire FO is a good start.

Weaver turned down the Jazz? Look at how much we paid BC to fck up, even at half that rate he would be paid likely more than the Jazz would have. Money talks, give him a sweet enough deal and he's here, especially after the way OKC has been playing this year.

I don't disagree at all, and as I said in my previous post in this thread:
"There is no doubt BC has a lot of basketball sense but it also seems that a change is necessary especially if the Raptors go nowhere this year. Something really has to be done to get us out of this continuing doldrum and an infusion of new thought and approach seems like the only way." I also agree that if cleaning house is to be done, then get that new approach in here and strip the entire thing down and rebuild it all from scratch with a fresh face from top to bottom.

However, even if we change it all out, will that ever be enough? I don't think we will ever get a fair shake.

Look at the reffing during this years losses: yesterday DeRozan is bounced around like a bean bag at crucial times and doesn't get the key "and 1"; a few games back, the refs make a critical call and give the opponents the ball which results in their game winning shot; our commentators continually mentioning the contact called on one side and not the other (and stopping just short of the organization getting fined); Casey continually having fits on the sidelines over the calls yet never had to or did that in Dallas ... and on and on it goes, year in year out. We get calls when it doesn't matter but are continually short changed when it is a close game.

The NBA is a niche league primarily for the US sports market but is only in third place against its competitors. It won't grow outside the US and is doubtful it will gain any fan base share within the US from the other sports. One thing it can't do is lose any of its existing fanbase in the US. The NBA does not need their poster child teams losing to teams that are there as Washington General cannon fodder for them. The Lakers need wins to get that nice contract, the Raptors are there to lose to keep the US fan base happy that the foreign team did not win.

Still we are in the league and to be able to beat that, the new GM and plan has to come up with a team, just like the Blue Jays did in '92 & '93, that will have to beat the other team plus the uneven reffing. That is a hard call, especially for an organization that won't overspend and for a location outside the US that is not prime to free agents or superstars.

So get rid of BC ... no problem, a rebuild and fresh air can't hurt but I don't think the problem is just BC. Even if we luck out and get a good new GM, he will also have his hands partially tied and the end result will, unfortunately, most probably be just the same.

[SDM]

Still we are in the league and to be able to beat that, the new GM and plan has to come up with a team, just like the Blue Jays did in '92 & '93, that will have to beat the other team plus the uneven reffing. That is a hard call, especially for an organization that won't overspend and for a location outside the US that is not prime to free agents or superstars.

So get rid of BC ... no problem, a rebuild and fresh air can't hurt but I don't think the problem is just BC. Even if we luck out and get a good new GM, he will also have his hands partially tied and the end result will, unfortunately, most probably be just the same.

Just wanted to comment on this... The Jays won by slowly building up a core over the course of about a decade, leveraging that core for new assets, they had some success throughout the late 80s with their homegrown talent and a few key trades, but they didn't truly win until they had the highest payroll in baseball, allowing them to pounce on rarely available players. Basically, they got over the hump by pretending they were the modern Yankees and MLB players couldn't tell the difference... they had no problem coming here, getting traded here, or re-signing here when the team was good. There was nothing else going on except sound strategy. If Raps ownership isn't going over the lux tax regularly and isn't committing to rebuilds, we'll never be the Lakers.

[KDtdot35]

nooooooooooooo he shouldnt be fired we should keep him for life

[darth_federer]

The media has picked up that the fans arent happy. They featured a tweet by a guy who wanted Colangelo fired.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/2012 ... s_tuesday/

Keep it up!

[Vorticity]

http://tweetreach.com/reach?q=%23firebc

[Kabookalu]

The funny part about this is that the majority of those that want BC fired also think that he has some umbilical cord attached to Bargnani. BC could easily quell this resistance just by trading him.

[Volcano]

I'd like to get one of these jobs like Bryan Colangelo has.
Horrible results year after year, actually getting worse year after year, wasting huge amounts of money with nothing to show for it, making mistakes that anyone with half a brain wouldn't make, and yet still employed.

Hahahahahahaha someones sad with their lot in life.

Really? Cause I'm pretty happy with where I'm at and I wouldn't turn down a job offering to pay me 5mil/yr for a terrible job.

Mr Dynasty would turn down that job because he has a better one working as a model at Abercrombie & Fitch

The funny part about this is that the majority of those that want BC fired also think that he has some umbilical cord attached to Bargnani. BC could easily quell this resistance just by trading him.

yet he still hasn't...he needs to go back in time and not draft him at all. It didn't make sense in foresight and it sure as hell didn't make sense in hindsight.

[UN-Owen]

The funny part about this is that the majority of those that want BC fired also think that he has some umbilical cord attached to Bargnani. BC could easily quell this resistance just by trading him.

Not so fast...

Trading Bargnani doesn't make up for years of signing mediocre players to inflated contracts

His management of the cap has always been his biggest weakness and that wouldn't change with a trade

[Kabookalu]

yet he still hasn't...he needs to go back in time and not draft him at all. It didn't make sense in foresight and it sure as hell didn't make sense in hindsight.

Does not trading him mean he's putting Bargnani over the franchise?

[Kabookalu]

Not so fast...

Trading Bargnani doesn't make up for years of signing mediocre players to inflated contracts

His management of the cap has always been his biggest weakness and that wouldn't change with a trade

For the majority of fans it will. Bargnani has collected too much baggage over the years and almost everyone has connected his tenure to BC's. Trading him would sever whatever mythical ties fans created between them.

[powerhouse117]

Sorry to be that guy- but after what AA pulled off today absolutely yes! It just speaks to the ineptitude of BC over the last how many number of years to get an accurate read on the NBA landscape and realize that despite his proclivity to build a team with 'ho-hum' players, stars at the end of the days bring titles. His inability to leverage assets to bring in a bona-fide star to this team is cause for his termination. And I've been somebody that has been a huge BC backer- but after a point, enough's enough!

[Volcano]

Does not trading him mean he's putting Bargnani over the franchise?

hell yeah..Bargnani's already soured with fans a long time ago. BC preaches mental make-up/character and Bargnani is just about as bad as it gets. I'd rather have a bad-ass than promote lazy-ball.

For the majority of fans it will. Bargnani has collected too much baggage over the years and almost everyone has connected his tenure to BC's. Trading him would sever whatever mythical ties fans created between them.

You've got to be kidding if you don't think BC overvalues Bargs. How many people here do you think would still have Bargnani on their team after 7 years? The fact that Bargs is still here and the better player (BOSH) is gone, pretty much shows BC's favouritism for this guy. If BC wanted to keep Bosh, the LEAST he could do was trade Bargs for a better fit.

[Kabookalu]

hell yeah..Bargnani's already soured with fans a long time ago. BC preaches mental make-up/character and Bargnani is just about as bad as it gets. I'd rather have a bad-ass than promote lazy-ball.

And how do you know that he's not intent on trading him? One thing that BC is great at is hiding his cards. For better or worse it's hard to read what his moves are going to be with the exception of when negotiations get stretched out that news are bound to make its way to the media. It was widely believed BC had the same love affair with Calderon, but when it was reported he was being traded it literally came out of nowhere...then the GOAT blocks the trade at the last minute. Since then no one dared to question BC's loyalty to Calderon, because there never was one and our team's inability to trade him is mostly conjured up as a curse rather than some umbilical cord BC has tied to him.

Do people really think that BC is this dense?