Trade Gose/Hech before their value falls

[number15]

Anthony Gose is a guy AA went after many years ago and likes very much but Jays fans have to come to reality. His sealing is likely a better version of Rajai Davis. The true stud in the Jays outfield system is Jake Marisnik, the 5 tool under rated prospect. Hell, id even start Sierra over Gose.... Gose can compete with anyone in the MLB with his speed, but he cant hit if his life depended on it. Fact is, he will always struggle to get on base. He is an average hitter at best in the MLB if he reaches his peak.

Hech is even worse. Atleast you can are that Gose has potential, no matter how unlikely it is, Hech is plain under anverage. He is given the keys to the future because he was signed for so much. Fact is, he is best suited as a bench infielder. Defense is great, yeh, best on the team, but he cant hit at all, i mean at all..... would you sacrifice a spot in the lineup for a guy who will give you nothing but defense and nothing at all else.

AA is looking to make a trade and lucky for him some teams see these guys as highly rated prospects for the same reason AA grabbed them. I say, trade them for pitching as soon as possible....... their value will literally die out after they spend any lengthy time in the majors this season. Their prospect label will fall off and they will be average players.

like Russel Peters once said, "doo tha right fing"

[MikeM]

Gose had way better #s at AA than Marisnick at the same age.

[number15]

Gose had way better #s at AA than Marisnick at the same age.

He only played 21 games at AA, players take time to adjust.... anyway in 21 games he had 2 HRs, 15 RBI 14 SB and .233 average

Gose is 102 games had 10 HR, 43 RBI, 34 SB, .286 average.

other than average, Mirisnik looks better in his horrible 21 games than Gose did in his 102 great games at AAA.... which is known to be more hitter friendly

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Fact is, he will always struggle to get on base. He is an average hitter at best in the MLB if he reaches his peak.

Fact is he turned 22 in August. Are you going to be the same thing and say "Trade Marisnick" if he struggles in his first stint with the Blue Jays?

[Griff83]

Gose had way better #s at AA than Marisnick at the same age.

He only played 21 games at AA, players take time to adjust.... anyway in 21 games he had 2 HRs, 15 RBI 14 SB and .233 average

Gose is 102 games had 10 HR, 43 RBI, 34 SB, .286 average.

other than average, Mirisnik looks better in his horrible 21 games than Gose did in his 102 great games at AAA.... which is known to be more hitter friendly

Umm no Marisnick played in 55 GAMES at AA and put up a .622 OPS.

In a full season at AA Gose put up a OPS of .763 while showing more power and defense then Marisnick did.

Explain to me how what Marisnick did at AA this past season trumps either Gose's AA or AAA season?

Your entire post is misinformed and silly.

[Griff83]

Gose had way better #s at AA than Marisnick at the same age.

He only played 21 games at AA, players take time to adjust.... anyway in 21 games he had 2 HRs, 15 RBI 14 SB and .233 average

Gose is 102 games had 10 HR, 43 RBI, 34 SB, .286 average.

other than average, Mirisnik looks better in his horrible 21 games than Gose did in his 102 great games at AAA.... which is known to be more hitter friendly

Wow I just looked at this post and not only did you get the amount of games Marisnick played wrong but you used Gose's HR total from his AA season.

[kcthekid]

His sealing is likely a better version of Rajai Davis.

His sealing is likely a better version of Rajai Davis.

His sealing is likely a better version of Rajai Davis.

[flatjacket1]

Lets trade Bautista and Edwin too, since they also did comparably well!

[satyr9]

People always overreact to numbers for players who get pushed, in both directions.

Gose's schedule is 18/2008/R, 19/2009/A, 20/2010/A+, 21/2011/AA, 22/2012/AAA, 23/2013/AAA+MLB. He wasn't been pushed ahead of that pace, mostly 'cause in 2010 he had his entire approach re-worked because of the trade. He's done very well throughout and a 200PA audition that happened a year early isn't exactly a shock that he struggled. Nor would it have meant all that much if he'd done .825 in that stretch either. It's a getting to know you for Gose and the league and will bear little relation to the vast majority of his professional life, even if it ends up looking identical statistically, which is certainly possible.

Marisnick has a slightly different schedule: 19/2010/R, 20/2011/A, 21/2012/A+, 22/2013/AA, 23/2014/AAA, 24/2015/AAA+MLB. He's a young 19 to start instead of an old 18 because of birthdate, when he was drafted, and when he signed and has now actually been pushed twice (seeing A ball in his R year and AA ball in his A+ year) and both times he's looked just like Gose did in MLB, crappy.

Outside of that, he's been a superior hitter to Gose (OPS of .832R/.892A/.800A+ vs. .652R/.676A/.710and.786A+/.764AA/.785AAA).

Is Jake's early AA performance a good sign? Of course not and neither are Gose's MLB numbers, but they're actually supposed to be bad, at least it's far closer to normal if they do struggle. Even the elite players coming up have these reactions to hitting harder competition ahead of schedule. If Jake performs at AA next year, the 2 months before become 99% meaningless. Likewise if Gose plays between AAA and MLB next year and looks better with a bat (closer to the .750ISH OPS we're hoping for) then the fact his intro was 200PA of sucky will be wiped away as any kind of a marker for his development.

[MGD24]

can we just automatically Lock any thread that Number15 starts?

[Secueritae]

You got your wish
and we ended up with the better players in the deal

[Santoki]

can we just automatically Lock any thread that Number15 starts?

Not anymore.

[Ado05]

Umm, did AA read this?

[C Court]

Umm, did AA read this?

number15 is AA.

[MikeM]

Hech's value to Miami was him being Cuban lol.

[N31L]

Umm, did AA read this?

number15 is AA.

[IMAN5]

I'm so happy of the two we kept gose.

[The_Hater]

Gose had way better #s at AA than Marisnick at the same age.

He only played 21 games at AA, players take time to adjust.... anyway in 21 games he had 2 HRs, 15 RBI 14 SB and .233 average

Gose is 102 games had 10 HR, 43 RBI, 34 SB, .286 average.

other than average, Mirisnik looks better in his horrible 21 games than Gose did in his 102 great games at AAA.... which is known to be more hitter friendly

Ya, I don't see what you see here and your stats for both players are all wrong my friend.

Considering age (Gose is only 7 months older), Gose had much better minor stats than Marisnick at every level. Gose was done playing A ball at 18 while Marisnick was still there at 20. That's where he had his big season. Put Gose in A ball and 20 and I'm sure he would have lit it up too. Why? Because Gose was playing well in AA by age 20 (763 OPS 16 HR's). Marisnick played awful, in AA, at age 21 (620 OPS in 223 AB's not 23 games as you claim).

The only reason that people have soured on Gose now is that when he finally came to the bigs he didn't play particularily well. Neither did several other top prospects when they first arrived (Delgado, A.Hill, Halladay, Lind all come to mind) who eventually figured it out. Not every prospect show up like a Mide Trout and sets the world on fire. Plus the only reason he was called up in the first place was injuries. He was supposed to spend the entire season down in AAA.

Either way if I had to place my bet on one or the other, it would clearly be Gose.

[Garmfay]

Eh Stats don't matter. I prefer Marisnick hit tool over Gose and thats why I wish Gose was traded instead. Marisnick had potential to hit for more power and average where as Gose still looks like a slap hitter that will strike out alot with the a little bit of power