What to do with catcher surplus?

[kwamebargnani]

Send JPA to Mets, get whatever we can.

[akakalakin]

Jp and Romero for lf bat

[Homer Jay]

I wonder if we could swing a JP+ something for Andre Ethier. Dodgers are reportedly looking to dump him.

[The_Hater]

We have

JPA
Buck
D'Arnaud
Wilson

What to do?

I

Start D'Arnuad when he gets healthy. Buck is the backup. Trade JPA. Send Wilson to AAA.

[The_Hater]

A 24 year old OF who bats almost .300, with team control, plus defense and steals 40 bags? JPA couldn't get us that alone.

.300 average or not he's a complete negative offensively and if he's not going to play CF he won't be playing a high priority defensive position.

I'm confused on why would you want to give up a boatload for a younger version of Juan Pierre and then play him in LF? They already have that with Davis only Davis is a better hitter and you're not giving up assets to acquire him.

[flatjacket1]

A 24 year old OF who bats almost .300, with team control, plus defense and steals 40 bags? JPA couldn't get us that alone.

.300 average or not he's a complete negative offensively and if he's not going to play CF he won't be playing a high priority defensive position.

I'm confused on why would you want to give up a boatload for a younger version of Juan Pierre and then play him in LF? They already have that with Davis only Davis is a better hitter and you're not giving up assets to acquire him.

His bat is below league average. The 24 year old was a top 60 prospect before being promoted to the big leagues, where he has done very well form himself at a ripe young age. Between his fielding and base running he was worth 3.4 fWAR in 2012, and 2.0 fWAR in 2011. He is ranked as a "solid starter" in 2011 and close to an "All-Star" in 2012. Let me please remind you that he is 24 years old.

The only reason he isn't playing CF more regularly (only 1000+ innings in 2 years) is because of a guy by the name of Span sitting there blocking him. His defense in CF is +9.2 UZR/150 meaning that he is worth almost 1 win defensively there over the course of the season (better than Rasmus).

If his bat develops he could easily be everything we dreamed of in Gose and more. His contact skills are great and in the minors he has shown flashes of power and OBP.

Davis was worth almost one seventh as much, not to mention being several years older. I would still expect Ben Revere to get better, being of similar age as Travis d'Arnaud.

[Hendrix]

Jp and Romero for lf bat

We finally got some depth in the rotation. I don't want to give that up just to make a marginal improvement over our current LF situation.


I think we'll be fine platooning LF. What we need is one more bat at 1st base, or DH so we can finally can get rid of Lind. Hopefully we have the assets, and there's a deal out there for that.

[Yosemite Dan]

JPA is as good as gone. D'arnaud is more than ready to make the move up. If his knee is healthy then I not only expect him to adjust quickly to the major leagues but also expect to be a front runner for rookie of the year.

[TorontoRaptures]

The question to me becomes: What can we get for JPA + Rajai (or Bonaficio) + one upper but not elite prospect?

I imagine that package can get us a pretty valuable bat at either LF or DH and we use a platoon at the other spot.

[baulderdash77]

His bat is below league average.

If his bat develops he could easily be everything we dreamed of in Gose and more. His contact skills are great and in the minors he has shown flashes of power and OBP.

Revere looks like he's going to be able to hit for average and field decently, but he has 0 HR and only 33 XBH in about 1000 AB's.

I think Ben Revere is fun to watch on the basepaths, but I think I'd rather have Gose in the long run and Rajai Davis in the short run than him.

[baulderdash77]

After making this trade, I now do expect that JPA will be traded. I think they can start the season with Buck and Bobby Wilson and then as soon as TDA is ready bring him up and work him into the lineup. By the end of the season he can be the full time starter and Buck can be the backup.

The question is what can we get for JPA now.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

There are only a small list of teams that could use JPA and have a realistic shot at obtaining him in my mind;

The Rangers who have guys like Ogando or Martin
The Angels - Peter Bourjos
Mariners
Cubs

[Ado05]

I say, you keep them both available. Dont make make a trade unless its a steal. Im perfectly fine going into the season with both of them.

[The_Hater]

His bat is below league average. The 24 year old was a top 60 prospect before being promoted to the big leagues, where he has done very well form himself at a ripe young age. Between his fielding and base running he was worth 3.4 fWAR in 2012, and 2.0 fWAR in 2011. He is ranked as a "solid starter" in 2011 and close to an "All-Star" in 2012. Let me please remind you that he is 24 years old.

The only reason he isn't playing CF more regularly (only 1000+ innings in 2 years) is because of a guy by the name of Span sitting there blocking him. His defense in CF is +9.2 UZR/150 meaning that he is worth almost 1 win defensively there over the course of the season (better than Rasmus).

If his bat develops he could easily be everything we dreamed of in Gose and more. His contact skills are great and in the minors he has shown flashes of power and OBP.

Davis was worth almost one seventh as much, not to mention being several years older. I would still expect Ben Revere to get better, being of similar age as Travis d'Arnaud.

He'd have to be the best defensive CF in baseball just to make up for that awful bat.

He's got no power whatsoever and actually showed zero flashes of extra base power in the minors looking at his stats. Worse, he couples it with terrible plate discipline. I'm willing to bet he spends most of his career as a 4th OF type. Gose, who you compared him too is 2 years younger and has actually flashed signs of power and decent plate dicipline in the minors.

I just don't see what you see my friend.

[flatjacket1]

He'd have to be the best defensive CF in baseball just to make up for that awful bat.

He's got no power whatsoever and actually showed zero flashes of extra base power in the minors looking at his stats. Worse, he couples it with terrible plate discipline. I'm willing to bet he spends most of his career as a 4th OF type. Gose, who you compared him too is 2 years younger and has actually flashed signs of power and decent plate dicipline in the minors.

I just don't see what you see my friend.

Your right, because first of all, young players don't improve.



That chart must be completely made up, because it says OBP and AVG improve with age, while K% goes down.

And yes, being 12% below league average offensively at age 24 means you'll never be league average. Mhmmm

Gose has no hit tool, PS he was 27% below league average last season with the bat. Revere is also a better defender compared to Gose in his short stint in the MLB.

I don't see why your getting so worked up over a suggestion. I said Rajai/Gose depending on the package, and then suggested Ben Revere. A slash in between the two typically means either or, not both. JPA and Rajai for Ben Revere is not a bad trade. Look at total player value.

We'd save 2.5M in 2013
We'd gain 1.0 fWAR (worth around 5M in surplus value)

[akakalakin]

Buck/ Wilson to start the season?

why quit games at the beginning- every at bat will be crucial?

you gotta get one helluva for JPA to do that

[The_Hater]

He'd have to be the best defensive CF in baseball just to make up for that awful bat.

He's got no power whatsoever and actually showed zero flashes of extra base power in the minors looking at his stats. Worse, he couples it with terrible plate discipline. I'm willing to bet he spends most of his career as a 4th OF type. Gose, who you compared him too is 2 years younger and has actually flashed signs of power and decent plate dicipline in the minors.

I just don't see what you see my friend.

Your right, because first of all, young players don't improve.



That chart must be completely made up, because it says OBP and AVG improve with age, while K% goes down.

And yes, being 12% below league average offensively at age 24 means you'll never be league average. Mhmmm

Gose has no hit tool, PS he was 27% below league average last season with the bat. Revere is also a better defender compared to Gose in his short stint in the MLB.

I don't see why your getting so worked up over a suggestion. I said Rajai/Gose depending on the package, and then suggested Ben Revere. A slash in between the two typically means either or, not both. JPA and Rajai for Ben Revere is not a bad trade. Look at total player value.

We'd save 2.5M in 2013
We'd gain 1.0 fWAR (worth around 5M in surplus value)

That's fine, you like him, I don't.

I'm not worked up at all and I never said that he couldn't improve but you initially suggested that the Jays should put together (what seemed to me like) a hefty package to trade for the guy. I was trying to figure out what you saw that I don't. I was also trying to figure out where you were seeing this power potential you mentioned, which looks completely non-existent to me.

But I could be wrong. He looks like another Juan Pierre type to me and I hate Juan Pierre. That's where I stand.

[baulderdash77]

Revere isn't a terrible player by any means. He is a 3 or 4 tool guy, just no power. I think he'll have a long career as a 3rd outfielder who's either going to be your lead off hitter or 9th hitter.

I think we already have that guy on the roster in Rajai Davis and I think Gose can be much better than him as he develops.

Actually I'm not particularly in favour of upgrading the OF right now. I like the idea of platooning Rajai and Gose this year hitting 9th until Goose is ready for everyday AB's. The big area we can upgrade right now is at 1B/DH for Lind's at bats.