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Re: Pack/Lions Lead Up 

Post#41 » by chuckleslove » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:59 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:I do wonder why MM says Clay is out so early in the week. Why not make the Kitties game plan for him all week? He could have listed him as questionable (50/50). I guess he had his reasons, hopefully someone steps up.



I think he could but aren't teams supposed to disclose their injury reports on the Wednesday leading up to the game and you can get fined if you are dishonest about it IIRC. I thought Belichik/Patriots got fined for that last season.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ing-rules/
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Re: Pack/Lions Lead Up 

Post#43 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:58 pm

King has it 27-20 Pack:

I am convinced Aaron Rodgers could take Mark Sanchez's receivers, or the ones the Jets cut this summer, and win with them. That's no knock at James Jones -- who I highly, highly respect -- or Randall Cobb. Just making the point that very good quarterbacks can survive when their best receivers are out.
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Post#44 » by LUKE23 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:28 pm

Interesting note: MM has the second best division record in the NFL since his hire (28-9) behind Belicheat.
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Re: Pack/Lions Lead Up 

Post#45 » by Kerb Hohl » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:38 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:I do wonder why MM says Clay is out so early in the week. Why not make the Kitties game plan for him all week? He could have listed him as questionable (50/50). I guess he had his reasons, hopefully someone steps up.



I think he could but aren't teams supposed to disclose their injury reports on the Wednesday leading up to the game and you can get fined if you are dishonest about it IIRC. I thought Belichik/Patriots got fined for that last season.

Just a quick google search:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... r/1661323/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ing-rules/


I wonder if Bill just found a better way to work the system. He has guys like Gronk, Welker, and Lloyd as questionable every single week but they play every week.
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Post#46 » by chuckleslove » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:26 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Interesting note: MM has the second best division record in the NFL since his hire (28-9) behind Belicheat.



When you compare what Belichik has in his division compared to what we go against that makes it even more impressive. Bears, Vikings, Lions >>> Jets, Dolphins, Bills
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Re: Pack/Lions Lead Up 

Post#47 » by chuckleslove » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:27 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:I do wonder why MM says Clay is out so early in the week. Why not make the Kitties game plan for him all week? He could have listed him as questionable (50/50). I guess he had his reasons, hopefully someone steps up.



I think he could but aren't teams supposed to disclose their injury reports on the Wednesday leading up to the game and you can get fined if you are dishonest about it IIRC. I thought Belichik/Patriots got fined for that last season.

Just a quick google search:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... r/1661323/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ing-rules/


I wonder if Bill just found a better way to work the system. He has guys like Gronk, Welker, and Lloyd as questionable every single week but they play every week.



I would guess you could legitimately list almost every single NFL player on the injury report with something minor just about every week, so he is probably doing it both as a strategy/mess with the other team type of thing and also stretching the intent of the rule.
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Re: Pack/Lions Lead Up 

Post#48 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:01 pm

Thursday practice report

There weren't a whole lot of changes from the day before as the Packers moved practice indoors on Thursday.

The most noteable was the return of DE Mike Neal (ankle), who was in pads and taking part in everything during the session of practice open to the media.

Adding to those already missing practice were TE Andrew Quarless and RB Johnny White. Quarless was believed to have had some swelling in his knee, however, he did attend the workout and watched from the sideling. White was not present and it's unclear why he wasn't there.

The others who were out were: LB Clay Matthews (hamstring), DB Charles Woodson (shoulder) and WR Greg Jennings (abdomen).

Woodson continued to step up his activity. Today he served as a scout team receiver for the defense and ran routes with no sign of discomfort. He didn't raise his arms up high to catch any passes, but he did move around enough to catch passes thrown at his chest.

During fundamental drills the tight ends and outside linebackers went head to head in a blocking exercise that is probably the most physical thing anyone does on the practice field. The drill is only done once in awhile, but there were plenty of pads popping.

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Post#49 » by WiscoKing13 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:01 pm

this is OT, but I was wondering if anyone saw the conversation on twitter between rob d from GBPG and Greg Bedard. Its got something to do with how JS writers don't like each other. Just curious what the problem was.
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Post#50 » by Kerb Hohl » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:22 pm

Green Bay Packers (2) at Detroit Lions (18): For years, this game was played on Thanksgiving in Detroit and provided the background entertainment for the large gathering at my wife’s grandmother’s house in Detroit. Every year she impeccably timed it so we would eat just as halftime started, and by the time we wandered back to the TV room the Lions were so hopelessly embarrassed by the Packers that we would just let the tryptophan and wine take over for a nice slumber until halftime of the Cowboys game. Even in the Barry Sanders/Wayne Fontes glory years, the Lions were pretty good at laying a turkey egg on turkey day. (Tangential aside: how freaking sad is it that the Wayne Fontes era is the golden years of Lions football?!)

The schedule makers spared my fellow Lions fans the giant Thanksgiving humiliation at the hands of the Packers this year, but only by moving the game up a week. The Lions decimated secondary has almost no chance against a rested Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, who can taste the savory opportunity presented to them when every NFC team ahead of them stumbled. They will miss holding machine RT Bryan Bulaga, but Cliff Avril has owned him in this matchup for years and the Packers continued to move the ball and find the end zone at will. This year will be no exception. At least it won’t ruin my dinner this time. Packers 44, Lions 20



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Note for Icness: They play on Thanksgiving every other year (not "every year leading up to this") because one of Dallas/Detroit has to play an AFC team every year so they alternate. It will probably be back on Thanksgiving again next year.
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Re: Pack/Lions Lead Up 

Post#51 » by crkone » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:40 pm

In the 2011 regular-season finale between these two teams the defenses offered only token resistance while Matt Stafford and Matt Flynn combined for 971 passing yards and 11 touchdowns in a last-minute victory for the Packers. Detroit is back to scratching and clawing for legitimacy and its playoff hopes hinge on this week’s outcome. After a week of rest, the Packers hope to continue gaining ground on the Bears for the lead in the NFC North. Injuries will play a crucial role in some key matchups. Let’s take a closer look.

Ndamukong Suh vs. Josh Sitton

It’s not been a vintage 2012 for Ndamukong Suh. Our 34th-ranked defensive tackle isn’t the liability he was in the run game at times, nor is he the explosive pass rusher he’s been in the early portion of his career. Lining up nearly exclusively from the defensive left tackle spot in the Lions’ vanilla pass rushing scheme, the consistency just isn’t there, and it’s hard to see that changing this week when he goes up against Josh Sitton. The Packer is our third-ranked right guard currently and while he’s not a mauler in the run game, his work in pass protection remains some of the best of any interior lineman.

Last year in a Week 17 wrestling match with Suh, Sitton was a hands down winner when in 40 pass rushes he didn’t concede a single hurry to the Lion. Sitton did get some help early on but when injury forced T.J. Lang to right tackle and Evan Dietrich-Smith in at left guard, the Packers began shifting the help in Dietrich-Smith’s direction. That left Sitton to handle Suh on his own for 25 of those pass rushes. Suh did score a decisive sack, but it was the lone time he lined up on the right and came against Dietrich-Smith. Look for similar dynamics this week with Dietrich-Smith and Lang back in the same roles after Bryan Bulaga’s season-ending hip injury.

Packers’ Outside Pass Rushers vs. Lions’ Offensive Tackles

For the past three years the Packers have been flummoxed in their attempts just to find a credible pass rushing threat opposite Clay Matthews. With Matthews likely sidelined with a hamstring injury, one has to wonder where the pressure will come from. The last time the Packers were without Matthews was in that final game with Detroit, and the results don’t bode well for the Packers. In that game, a four-man rotation at outside linebacker managed a mere five pressures on Stafford’s 61 dropbacks — and with all the time in the world, Stafford picked apart the Green Bay secondary.

With Frank Zombo back healthy in the lineup and Vic So’oto re-signed by the team midweek, the Packers will trot out nearly the same group this time around while hoping for different results. The lone new face will be rookie undrafted free agent Desmond Moses. So far he’s looked like the most promising sidekick to Matthews. His Pass Rushing Productivity rating of 8.6 on 86 pass rushing snaps puts him squarely in the middle of the pack for all 3-4 OLBs and much higher than what Zombo (4.7) and S’oto (4.6) managed last season.

The Lions hold down the No. 2 spot in our latest Offensive Line Rankings, due in large part to their success protecting Stafford. The interior pass blocking has been superb with guard Rob Sims and center Dominic Raiola playing at elite levels. Jeff Backus and Gosder Cherilus are one of the better tackle tandems in pass protection – ranking 15th and 23rd respectively in our grading. While they’ve allowed their fair share of pressure, they’ve both been able to limit the sacks. Last week the pair held the Vikings’ Jared Allen and Brian Robison to a mere four hurries.

Anyone Not Named Johnson vs. Packers Pass Coverage

While Calvin Johnson has missed some practice time again with a knee injury, there’s little doubt he’ll be back on the field and gobbling up targets (he had a season-high 13 last week) come Sunday. Good things usually happen when the Lions throw the ball his way, but they’ve struggled to find a reliable complement. Titus Young hasn’t offered much outside of a big game against the Seahawks in Week 8. His 0.98 yards per pass route average is good for 80th among wideouts and demonstrates limited production. Tight end Brandon Pettigrew has had trouble making catches with seven drops on the season for a 14 percent Drop Rate. Third-down back Joique Bell (+5.2 pass) has been the most productive alternative to Johnson and is seeing about four targets per game.

Some new faces on defense have helped reverse the coverage woes that plagued the Packers throughout the 2011 campaign. Casey Hayward (fourth in CB coverage grade and 38.3 NFL passer rating) and Jerron McMillian (three passes defensed and one INT) both earned spots on our Mid-Season All-Rookie Team. Brad Jones has provided an all-around boost for the defense during the last four games from the inside linebacker position. Quarterbacks haven’t tried thrown in his direction much, which suggests he’s not allowing many appealing targets. With more snaps under his belt, Jones’ 22 Coverage Snaps per Reception Allowed would lead all ILBs.[/size]



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Re: Pack/Lions Lead Up 

Post#52 » by crkone » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:56 pm

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The following players will not play on Sunday vs. @DetroitLionsNFL: Greg Jennings, Clay Matthews, Andrew Quarless, Charles Woodson.


One cool thing is that Benson's rehab is picking up. No setbacks. Didn't rule out him practicing next week. Shields is questionable.

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Post#53 » by humanrefutation » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:07 pm

Am I the only person here who hasn't heard of this show?
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No and woof...

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Post#56 » by vegaspacker » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:59 pm

Hey gang! It has been really tough to catch games lately. I work weekend nights and rarely catch the broadcasts.

Is Starks still a viable option for the next few weeks? I know the fumble at AZ was not taken lightly, but I cannot temper the vibe of that moment as I did not see it.
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Post#57 » by Kerb Hohl » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:56 pm

I think Starks is slowly taking the role back. Starting to look like his 2010 form in partial time. That said, I do think Green is improving as the weeks go by so I think maybe giving Starks 20 carries and Green 7 carries and a bigger role in the passing game might be the perfect world right now.

Benson will be back December 9 but I personally am not expecting much. I think Green if he gets it right can break off some big plays and Starks has some big play ability while bringing most of what Benson does to the table. Benson is the classic "he'll always get you the 3-4 yards that are there" type of guy. That guy coming off injury will be a decent security blanket but Starks should be the man on the ground from here on out unless Green has really turned it around.
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Post#58 » by Godgers » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:25 pm

I think our DBs are very good. But its going to be pure torture watching a 3-4 defense with basicly all 2nd/3rd string LBs playing since most of our LBs are on IR and Mathews is injured just leaving Hawk who is avg at best

I think that we had a top 5 defense when healthy but way to many injurys now.

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