Does John Wall make not so good players look good?

[Knighthonor]

Real curious about this. Wizards seem real bad compared to last season start. They added more vets. But does the lost of Wall really this effective?
Does John Wall make other players look good?

Right now I notice a lack of shooting on the three compared to last year now that Wall is out. JC looks not so good with Wall out.

Maybe some people are underestimating the effectiveness of John Wall on a team like this that is desperate for talent right now.

[DMVleGeND]

I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that John Wall would make this team better.

[Halcyon]

As a guy who can actually get into the lane, that alone will make other players good.

[dangermouse]

He should make Beal look like a #3 pick. As long as Beal shoots the open shots in rhythm, with confidence.

Pick and Roll/Pop game with Seraphin should be something to work on too.

[blazinskillz]

I dunno, somebody(on here!) told me that Wall wont make much of a difference than AJ Price cause he can't shoot and another guy told me(on this Wizards board btw) that AJ Price was a better defender than Wall in his opinion. So I guess we don't need Wall back.

I think I understand the problem with Wizards fans. The Wizards has been sucking and has been a joke of a team for so long, that they're scared to Big up their own player. They've bought into the hype that Wall sucks and can only run/jump fast/high and has no skills nowhere else. They're scared to say something real nice w/o saying "but".
Part of this is because of the number 1 pick hype. Part of it this because some scouts said Wall's ceiling is Rose's floor. Chicago fans took offense to that, and sh*t on him every chance they get.
Every time I've seen Wall played(and I've seen a lot), I've seen a special player on the court. Yes he has flaws, yes he can't shoot but outside of shooting, he does the most he can with what he's been given. Kyrie Irving can shoot but to me, he's a 2 guard. Can't really run the offense that well and he's even more turnover prone than Wall...but he's suppose to be the next Chris Paul? Things like this is what I don't understand.

[Nivek]

Last season, the Wizards were +2.7 points per 100 possessions better offensively when Wall was on the floor. As a rookie, they were slightly worse offensively (1.6 points per 100 possessions) when he was on the floor.

What changed offensively last season when he was in the game?

- not shooting -- the efg was .003 better when he was in the lineup
- assisted FGs dropped 3% (54% when he sat to 51% when he was in the game)
- turnovers went up by 1 per 48 minutes

The +2.7 was due mostly to free throws -- Wiz were +5 made free throws per 48 minutes when Wall was in the game last season.

[queridiculo]

I think I understand the problem with Wizards fans. [...] They're scared to say something real nice w/o saying "but".

Every time I've seen Wall played(and I've seen a lot), I've seen a special player on the court. Yes he has flaws, yes he can't shoot but outside of shooting, he does the most he can with what he's been given.

Just saying...

[Nivek]

I think I understand the problem with Wizards fans. [...] They're scared to say something real nice w/o saying "but".

Every time I've seen Wall played(and I've seen a lot), I've seen a special player on the court. Yes he has flaws, yes he can't shoot but outside of shooting, he does the most he can with what he's been given.

Just saying...

Yeah. In other words, aside from the most important part of the game (the team with the better effective field goal percentage wins about 78% of the time in the NBA), Wall's good.

[blazinskillz]

I think I understand the problem with Wizards fans. [...] They're scared to say something real nice w/o saying "but".

Every time I've seen Wall played(and I've seen a lot), I've seen a special player on the court. Yes he has flaws, yes he can't shoot but outside of shooting, he does the most he can with what he's been given.

Just saying...

Way to take what I said out of context. the fact that you're pointing that out instead of agreeing with me, sorta makes my point.

[blazinskillz]

I think I understand the problem with Wizards fans. [...] They're scared to say something real nice w/o saying "but".

Every time I've seen Wall played(and I've seen a lot), I've seen a special player on the court. Yes he has flaws, yes he can't shoot but outside of shooting, he does the most he can with what he's been given.

Just saying...

Yeah. In other words, aside from the most important part of the game (the team with the better effective field goal percentage wins about 78% of the time in the NBA), Wall's good.

So tell me, outside of Wall getting to the line, Price has been better? I dont do advance statistics all of the time. I could show you stats where Matt Bonnar has been the most effective player on the spurs team last year when he was in the game. Doesn't mean squat

[Nivek]

In my statistical analysis, Wall is a better player than Price. That's not a high bar, however -- Price has rated below average in each of his seasons.

It doesn't take advanced stats to know that Wall has two major flaws in his game: shooting and turnovers.

It's not helpful to say, "Except for shooting and/or turnovers, Wall is really good." Because there's no "except." Players are what they do on the floor -- ALL of what they do on the floor. In Wall's case, that works out to "about average" when looking at the totality of his contributions -- including stuff that he doesn't do well.

IF Wall improves his shooting and reduces his turnovers, he'll be better than average -- potentially MUCH better. But, the fact that he needs to improve in those areas doesn't mean that he actually WILL improve in those areas. It'll depend on how hard and how smart he's worked.

We can't just assume he'll shoot better -- some players get better, some don't. He has to go out there and show it.

[queridiculo]

Way to take what I said out of context. the fact that you're pointing that out instead of agreeing with me, sorta makes my point.

Oh yeah? What was the context, maybe I missed it somewhere between all of the inane ramblings about how we're not loving this team unconditionally enough.

[FAH1223]

Real curious about this. Wizards seem real bad compared to last season start. They added more vets. But does the lost of Wall really this effective?
Does John Wall make other players look good?

Right now I notice a lack of shooting on the three compared to last year now that Wall is out. JC looks not so good with Wall out.

Maybe some people are underestimating the effectiveness of John Wall on a team like this that is desperate for talent right now.

Whoa... the Wizards started 0-8 last year!

[pancakes3]

The most blatantly wrong statement that I've read is the lack of 3's. We are definitely taking more 3's this season, even based on feel. I don't need to B-R that. As for our %'s? it might be a few points low but that's probably due to the volume and trading for Mason/Evans/Young for Ariza/Price

[Upper Decker]

Not sure if this means anything or if there's any connection, but:

W/O Rose the Bulls are 5-5
W/O Wall the Wiz are 0-9
W/ Irving the Cavs are 2-8

One team is playing well W/O their star PG.
One team is playing historically bad W/O their star PG.
One team is pretty awful W/ their star PG.

[Nivek]

The commonality there is teams losing key players. I don't think it goes beyond that.

It's interesting that Dallas is 6-6 despite losing Kidd and Terry in the offseason and not having Dirk.

Minnesota is 5-4 without Love.

[WizarDynasty]

John Wall is not a high iq basketball player and never will be. He is a shooting guard with decent handles, not great, outstanding quickness in the tony parker mode--wall competitive drive, maturity, leadership ability, and work ethic are off the chart intangibles that are rarely found in a point guard. He doesn't have the aptitude to coach and design plays, if he were surrounded gifted mentally true point guard, I think some alot of the habits of the mentally gifted and self motivated play designer would rub off on Wall over a few season (cough Livingston). But a point guard looking for his shot first almost never makes his team mates better and wall doesn't have the talent around him to be just an average play designer.
the only way a player can make the players better on this team..wizards of 2012..better than what they are indivdually...is by literally guiding them to the strategic points in a long drawn out play. Wall doesn't have the aptitude to have 200 plays held in his mind and choose the one best suited on in the middle of the fourth quarter because the defense has decided to allow booker or singleton to stand wide open on the right perimeter baseline for an open drive with their off dribbling hand. Livingston's mind has this ability and its an exceptional ability that Grunfeld and Leonsis have no clue how to value, otherwise they would already have signed livingston to a multi year deal by now instead of letting him audition for a full season on the wizards dime so he can benefit another team next year instead of building our iq culture this offseason.

[blazinskillz]

^^^

Oh so now Wall is a shooting guard? I've heard it all

[B-easy]

I laughed at that.

[dangermouse]

I see him as more of an undersized point-forward.

How is his Left-Handed-Dribble-Behind-The-Knee-While-Sprinting, wiznasty?