Kemba Walker

RTM · Post #41 » by **RTM** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:19 pm

I liked Kemba in college. He was abysmal last year. I liked Knight in college. He was only marginally better last year.

I wish Kemba well, but I'm happy with Knight. He's got the size and skill set (particularly as a jump shooter) that gives him more potential to improve and reach another level. I have no doubt he'll keep developing - nobody works as hard, and he's already shown improvement from last year. Let's give him (and Kemba) the year before anyone starts making any conclusions.

MrBigShot · Post #42 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:26 pm

Kemba making some people look silly in this thread so far...

princeofpalace · Post #43 » by **princeofpalace** » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:03 pm

Walker is Will Bynum pt 2. He's having a good 7 game streak but I doubt it holds and I certainly wouldn't take him over Knight.

Im over slash first guards that cannot shoot. . I want a well rounded PG, that can shoot, set up his man, grab a rebound or two and defend. Knight is on his way, he's improving as a PG, he needs to improve his scoring efficiency and defense. He's 20 years old and is progressing, I see no reason to abandon him.

I swear, with how much hate Knight gets on this board, I wonder when its gonna start for Andre Drummond. If he doesn't turn into Dwight soon, I can only imagine the uprising.

Stun704 · Post #44 » by **Stun704** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:29 am

princeofpalace wrote:Walker is Will Bynum pt 2. He's having a good 7 game streak but I doubt it holds and I certainly wouldn't take him over Knight.

Im over slash first guards that cannot shoot. . I want a well rounded PG, that can shoot, set up his man, grab a rebound or two and defend. Knight is on his way, he's improving as a PG, he needs to improve his scoring efficiency and defense. He's 20 years old and is progressing, I see no reason to abandon him.

I swear, with how much hate Knight gets on this board, I wonder when its gonna start for Andre Drummond. If he doesn't turn into Dwight soon, I can only imagine the uprising.

You mean you want a PG that can have an occassional game where he put sup 26 pts 7asts 8 steals and 6 rebounds? Cuz Kemba did that a couple of games ago...

ComboGuardCity · Post #45 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:29 am

Stun704 wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:Walker is Will Bynum pt 2. He's having a good 7 game streak but I doubt it holds and I certainly wouldn't take him over Knight.

Im over slash first guards that cannot shoot. . I want a well rounded PG, that can shoot, set up his man, grab a rebound or two and defend. Knight is on his way, he's improving as a PG, he needs to improve his scoring efficiency and defense. He's 20 years old and is progressing, I see no reason to abandon him.

I swear, with how much hate Knight gets on this board, I wonder when its gonna start for Andre Drummond. If he doesn't turn into Dwight soon, I can only imagine the uprising.

You mean you want a PG that can have an occassional game where he put sup 26 pts 7asts 8 steals and 6 rebounds? Cuz Kemba did that a couple of games ago...

So did Will Bynum when he first started playing for Det.

princeofpalace · Post #46 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:38 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:
Stun704 wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:Walker is Will Bynum pt 2. He's having a good 7 game streak but I doubt it holds and I certainly wouldn't take him over Knight.

Im over slash first guards that cannot shoot. . I want a well rounded PG, that can shoot, set up his man, grab a rebound or two and defend. Knight is on his way, he's improving as a PG, he needs to improve his scoring efficiency and defense. He's 20 years old and is progressing, I see no reason to abandon him.

I swear, with how much hate Knight gets on this board, I wonder when its gonna start for Andre Drummond. If he doesn't turn into Dwight soon, I can only imagine the uprising.

You mean you want a PG that can have an occassional game where he put sup 26 pts 7asts 8 steals and 6 rebounds? Cuz Kemba did that a couple of games ago...

So did Will Bynum when he first started playing for Det.

Do you remember Bynums 20 assist game?

Piston Pete · Post #47 » by **Piston Pete** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:26 pm

I think both Kemba and Knight will be good. I'm just more happy with Knight.

kurtis48239 · Post #48 » by **kurtis48239** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:24 am

LOL ahhh this thread,I cant wait to hear the excuses from people when knight surpasses kemba.

KembaWalker · Post #49 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:00 am

reading the excuses of why Brandon Knight can't break the 12 PER barrier is much more funny. kids just awful

ComboGuardCity · Post #50 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:05 am

...And you're a straight up troll. You've been suspended for it before and I you obviously don't learn.

KembaWalker · Post #51 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:07 am

not really a troll, just judging the situation objectively. the numbers dont lie. any preference for knight at this point is an opinion based on emotion, not logic

ComboGuardCity · Post #52 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:26 am

KembaWalker wrote:not really a troll, just judging the situation objectively. the numbers dont lie. any preference for knight at this point is an opinion based on emotion, not logic

You're proclaiming Kemba being good after he was historically awful for 66 games.

Jodi · Post #53 » by **Jodi** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:26 am

KembaWalker wrote:not really a troll, just judging the situation objectively. the numbers dont lie. any preference for knight at this point is an opinion based on emotion, not logic

Looks like this Charlotte fan has a little confidence in his team because there 4-4 early in the season...Aw, that's so cute...

Scout Taron · Post #54 » by **Scout Taron** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:37 am

Yeah. What a troll. How dare someone think that Kemba is better than our inefficient point guard who doesn't know how to run an offense!

Kilo Graham · Post #55 » by **Kilo Graham** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:01 am

kurtis48239 wrote:LOL ahhh this thread,I cant wait to hear the excuses from people when knight slurp-asses kemba.

Hey man, I fixed your post.

ComboGuardCity · Post #56 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:18 am

Kilo Graham wrote:
kurtis48239 wrote:LOL ahhh this thread,I cant wait to hear the excuses from people when knight slurp-asses kemba.

Hey man, I fixed your post.

My parents never let me stay up this late when I was 9.

Kilo Graham · Post #57 » by **Kilo Graham** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:31 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:
Kilo Graham wrote:
kurtis48239 wrote:LOL ahhh this thread,I cant wait to hear the excuses from people when knight slurp-asses kemba.

Hey man, I fixed your post.

My parents never let me stay up this late when I was 9.

Jealous?

Pharaoh · Post #58 » by **Pharaoh** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:32 am

Are we really going to judge 2nd year point men?

Really?

IF we are going to judge these guys surely we're not going to base our opinions on a season less than 10 games old.

I realise this is a message board and this is part of the game (discussing recockulous topics) but surely we can't make an informed choice between Walker and Knight just yet. Not enough data, too small a sample and all that jazz

An impartial observer I'm not but I'd imagine someone who is would say it's too soon to tell which is "better"

"Better" is subjective anyway - some people use advanced stats to make a point, some don't. Who decides what criteria we use? How can you use stats to convince someone who doesn't care about stats that they are "wrong"?

Do we factor in "quality of the roster" when discussing individual players? Does Knight have "better" team mates? Does Kemba? Do we consider which environment is "better" suited to post big stats? Do we consider which Coach is "better", which team had the "harder" schedule?

I admit I do find the discussion entertaining... even though it's a complete waste of time

Pharaoh · Post #59 » by **Pharaoh** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:48 am

FWIW - Kemba has shot over 43% 3 out of 8 games... is shooting under 17% from 3....he does shoot over 86% from the line though

Average of 3.9 boards, 5.5 assists, just over 2 steals per game... along with 2 turnovers per

From 10 games Knight has shot over 43% 3 times...is shooting over 35% from 3... but only slightly over 74% from the line...

Average of 4.3 boards, 7.1 assists, almost zero steals and just over 3 turnovers per game

So.... do we consider that maybe Knight has better team mates and therefore gets more assists due to the quality of said team mates? IF you believe so then how do you ecplain Detroit's poor record? Is that due to a more difficult schedule (7 of 10 on the road)

And when discussing Kemba vs. Knight do we factor in that Walker is almost NO threat to nail a 3 pointer? How heavily do you weigh that fact? Or does it "not really matter"?

If it doesn;t matter to you why doesn't it matter? Does it not matter because Charlotte have other long range threats and therefore Kemba doesn't "need" to be able to shoot 3's at a reasonable clip? And if you believe Charlotte does have other long range threats does that excuse Kemba from being a reliable 3 point shooter?

I could go on all day with this... and I haven't even started on advanced stats.

Elden Payton · Post #60 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:49 am

I posted the comparison on the PC board to get unbiased opinions.

So far though Charlotte/Kemba has looked really good and Detroit/Knight are underwhelming and you can see why people are making judgements.