Do the Jazz run plays this year?

[QuantumMacgyver]

First, this is NOT a fire Corbin thread.

I feel like the Jazz only run two plays this year, but when I talk to other Jazz fans they all seem to think we still run a wide variety of plays.
1) Drop the ball to Big Al on the left block and clear out.
2) Occasional screen/curl.
3(?) Mo dribbles around the top of the arch in iso or impromptu picks.(not really a play)

Is it just me, or do you all feel like 80% of our possessions are spent dribbling around and hoping something will happen? I miss the hard cuts, slashes, double screens, etc.

[reapaman]

Well im gonna beat this same point into the ground. It is that Mo is not who many of you thought he was. Tinsley for example is more suited for making the ball move, hitting guys on cuts, getting more curls for an open jumper, ect … Mo does not do that, never has and never will. He’s gonna spend 30 + mins chucking, and making stupid turnovers and decisions like he always has. He also doesn’t spread the court like people may have hoped. He alone kills many playmaking oppurtunities we have, not that we had a ton of oppurtunties last year but I’m just saying. Harris did not kill our playmaking as much as mo does and will countinue to do.

[HolyToledo12]

The Jazz have joined the rest of the Nba and play a motion offense or as you put it "we dribble aound and hope something happens". Im ok with the offense and the old Jazz style was too predictable often exposed in the playoffs when teams can spend a little time planning therefore.

Jazz are in very good shape as long as their two by far best allround players play enough minutes and that is Hayward and Favors. They are both allstar calibar players who are not getting allstar minutes and that is the problem.

[StocktonShorts]

A few observations:

1) they're running a lot less left-block Big Al iso than last year

2) they're taking a long time to get into their sets; it almost looks like guys are confused

3) Mo is marginally a better PG than devin. Here I disagree with reapaman. Mo isn't perfect but Devin did very little to create good looks for other players. I guess you could argue that devin got out of the way more, but that seems like a backhanded compliment.

[reapaman]

Well thats where I was getting at with that last statement. Harris did not mess up the playmaking like mo does. Mo dribbles way too much and by the time he's ready to make a decision any play we were excuting has stalled and is no longer in motion. I mean we can't even run lob plays for favors or a cut to the basket by a wing because by the time their ready to do it, Mo's still running around and dribbling and then they get confused of what to do next. Mo slows down hayward from doing his thing because hayward has less time to dominate the ball. I mean ... ok whatever he gets on my nerves.

I mean you can see why this guy is a turnover machine and why he misses guys for oppurtunites even more than Harris. Sure Mo probley has better pg skills than harris but that doesn't matter when your not using them enough and spending so much time dribbling.

[outerspacefella]

They run plays of course (they stopped to "walk" plays the day KOC traded Deron Williams )
Give the guys some more time. I guess the playbook started being simplified because now they have some shooters with the ability to make them out of a screen, off the dribble or "pickandpopping"... and probably because Mo and Favors are well suited to play kind of "havoc" basketball...

[QuantumMacgyver]

Boy, tonight was awful. I even made a concerted effort to watch for plays, and we simply don't run them. I don't see Mo being the problem either. If guys were running around trying to get free and Mo simply ignored them, or wasn't talented enough to get them the ball, that would be one thing. However, there is simply zero off-ball movement. Whereas last year we would just pound the ball to Big Al and everyone would stand still, now everyone just stands still despite who has the ball.

And I may have to change this to a fire Corbin thread after all. How frustrating was it to see Carroll outplay EVERYONE tonight and then finish the game on the bench. Makes no sense. So between the lack of play calling and his terrible rotations, I am definitely beginning to sour on Coach Corbin. Problem is, I don't see a lot of other options out there. Maybe Phil Jackson feels so disrespected by L.A. that he would come coach the Jazz. Hahahahahhaahahhaahahhaahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahahah.... and I shat myself.

[jazzfan1971]

I think it's time to lower our expectations a bit.

This team isn't as talented as the team led me to believe during preseason. Mo isn't as good. Marvin isn't close to as good. Kanter isn't as good.

We're not getting much out of our offense. Running into a lot of short clocks where we just throw something up and hope.

Our dribble penetration is nearly non-existent. I think that's the biggest problem right now. Tinsley can't shoot, so, guys can play off him. Mo isn't that skilled at dribble penetration, and even when he manages he's not a terrific passer, often looking to shoot over pass (which is ok, because some of his passes are laughably bad).

We do have a guy on the bench who's best skill is dribble penetration. I wonder if we should give him (Burks) a little run at PG and see what happens.


But, long story short, we aren't as good as we thought. (unless you are reapaman, then we aren't as bad)

[reapaman]

Glad you metioned Phil quantum, he's the perfect example. Once Phil came back to coach the lakers in the post shaq/pre gasol era, what happened? Ultimately is was a lot of kobe going iso and guys standing around watching. Now this was under the great phil jackson. This is not football, this is basketball. Coaches do not call that many plays during the game if you ever notice.

We got too many guys that can't create for themselves on a consistent basis and no one such as a d-will or cp3 to create the oppurtunties for them. So what happens is they give it up to the guy who can create for himself which is Big AL and just watch him work. Now you notice when the Lakers got Gasol and he was playing well then there was more ball movement because Kobe passed the ball to gasol who in turned was more willing to pass to other. Eventually Kobe was happier and became a more willing passer himself which created more ball movement (well until last year when he turned to iso kobe again). We have too either get a strong playmaker or another player around or above Al's level who's a more willing passer. Easier said than done but thats what it is but the thing is that you can't get made at Corbin for not doing things even phil jackson couldn't accomplish.

BTW I know our playmaking and ball movement was crap last year but Mo makes it a little worse due to his overdibbling.