Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others?

GeneralNbaFan · Post #41 » by **GeneralNbaFan** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:43 pm

USA wrote:It's a big deal because Lebron, Wade and Bosh were all in their primes and top 10 players when they teamed up. The same can't be said about the Lakers or Celtics. LOL @ including the Knicks in this.

yes and yes

sisq0kidd · Post #42 » by **sisq0kidd** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:57 pm

GameOver25 wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:I get LBJ didn't act 100% correct. But did Howard? I'm not even saying I didn't expect any hate towards LBJ. But I see no hate from anyone toward Howard.

Where have you been?

This needs to be quoted one more time.

Michael Lucky · Post #43 » by **Michael Lucky** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:02 pm

sigh this isn't hard to understand. These three made plans to join the Heat together while leaving their teams two years prior to that FA. Then boasted about how it was going to be easy. On the other hand on the Lakers everyone of the current big 4 on the Lakers was acquired through a trade.

PCProductions · Post #44 » by **PCProductions** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:04 pm

Because Lebron is the best. If it had been Wade/Bosh/anyone it wouldn't have been the same.

The rules change with the league's best player.

Speedlot · Post #45 » by **Speedlot** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:08 pm

Because Lebron had dumb as hell publicists. I mean c'mon. They let him go "not 1, not 2, not 3." The decision? D12 has shut the hell up pretty much and lay low for awhile now.

I don't blame Lebron for leaving cleveland. Stuff happens. Shaq left. Kareem Left, who cares. Kareem got his fair share of hate too back in the day.

It's just easier to hate Lebron because the people around him are so stupid. Now that he improved the "people" his image is certainly getting better.

Tyson Chandler who?
Also Lebron and Wade was top 2 at the time. 1 and 2 joining up is just silly no matter how you put it. Funny enough, when Wade declined out of top 5 the hate on Lebron is slowly diminishing too.

MICHAEL_JORDAN · Post #46 » by **MICHAEL_JORDAN** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:29 pm

You can't take away the fact lbj has a ring now. But like i've said in other threads, at the end of the day it took him having 2 other superstars in they're prime. Some excellent post in this thread...pretty much explain the hate. LBJ isn't MJ, we can't really compaer him at this point anymore due to the fact MJ didn't already have the superstars in place that lbj has now. another arguement there...hah

cheers.

FlashKing · Post #47 » by **FlashKing** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:36 pm

Michael Lucky wrote: These three made plans to join the Heat together while leaving their teams two years prior to that FA. On the other hand on the Lakers everyone of the current big 4 on the Lakers was acquired through a trade.

Speculate much?

Michael Lucky wrote: On the other hand on the Lakers everyone of the current big 4 on the Lakers was acquired through a trade.

Nash signed as a free agent and Orlando got nothing in return for Dwight Howard. When are trades okay with people when players hold franchises hostage like Howard did, but LeBron signing free agent else where... that's a BIG NO NO! :roll:

LeBron promised Cleveland a title, it didn't work out. Cleveland management is more to blame for allowing that to happened than LeBron is.

Scalabrine · Post #48 » by **Scalabrine** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:38 pm

It would have been more fun had it been:
Rose, Boozer, Deng, Noah
vs.
Wade, Bosh
vs.
KG, Pierce, Allen
vs.
LeBron, Amare
vs.
Kobe, Gasol, Bynum
vs.
Westbrook, Durant

you get the point

There would have been more parity. Instead, he and fellow all star Chris Bosh went over to the Hwaat for a 2nd round pick, while Boston, LA, New York, all had to trade a lot of their young guys and roster for there guys.

It just seemed kind of gutless. Changed the game really. Im over it now. Teams are starting to adjust there rosters now...

FlashKing · Post #49 » by **FlashKing** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:39 pm

MICHAEL_JORDAN wrote:You can't take away the fact lbj has a ring now. But like i've said in other threads, at the end of the day it took him having 2 other superstars in they're prime. Some excellent post in this thread...pretty much explain the hate. LBJ isn't MJ, we can't really compaer him at this point anymore due to the fact MJ didn't already have the superstars in place that lbj has now. another arguement there...hah

cheers.

Bosh isn't a superstar buddy, Pippen was so God's other boy had help too from a way deeper roster than Miami has had since LeBron joined forces with Wade and Bosh.

diablerouge · Post #50 » by **diablerouge** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:41 pm

Are people aware that LeBron responded by saying 'not 1, not 2,...' when Eric Reid directly asked him in front of 20,000 Miami fans: "you won't be satisfied with just one ring, right?"

FlashKing · Post #51 » by **FlashKing** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:45 pm

diablerouge wrote:Are people aware that LeBron responded by saying 'not 1, not 2,...' when Eric Reid directly asked him in front of 20,000 Miami fans: "you won't be satisfied with just one ring, right?"

Agreed. He should have stopped at around 4 or 5. 8-)

Gus McCrae · Post #52 » by **Gus McCrae** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:46 pm

If people still need to ask they will never understand.

C.Boshly · Post #53 » by **C.Boshly** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:57 pm

People won't care and won't remember when Lebron has retired.

Pretty much wasted breath arguing this. Totally irrelevant.

aal04 · Post #54 » by **aal04** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:16 pm

Ratchet_Rio wrote:Looking back, the comments people made after LeBron joined the Heat are hilarious.

"He's never going to be in the MVP discussion again"

"Now he can never be Michael Jordan!!"

"When you're the MVP they come to you!!!!"

And all he's done since joined the Heat is won a title, won an MVP, been in contention for another, and enhanced his basketball legacy.

+1. Same with Shaq.

Its gotten to the point where a ring makes all your chit taste like candy.

LBJ will never be a top ten player to me for moving to a ridiculously stacked team.

2009 LBJ > 2012 LBJx10

I value loyalty, and leadership. Hes never made a player around him better.

Also, as an alpha dog/mvp, joining other stars is really beta.

Cujo · Post #55 » by **Cujo** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:38 pm

The reason I'm so hard on Lebron is because I saw a potential GOAT candidate. With his abilities I felt as though we were witnessing a once in a lifetime player, somebody who had the potential to pass Jordan. When I think of a GOAT candidate I think of an individual who built their team by leading from the front and pushed their teammates to make them better.

When Lebron left Cleveland it blew all expectations. I felt that I had been robbed as an NBA fan. I found it very disheartening that a player that I viewed as a potential GOAT candidate felt the need to join forces with another “Superstar” and perennial All-Star to win a Championship.

But then there was all of the extracurricular activities that became the Heat persona. Right off the bat there was the decision and later on the mocking of Dirk in the finals. There are just too many things for me to sit here and list.

So in a nutshell, I feel like we (NBA Fans) were robbed. His ability is there but I no longer look at him as a GOAT candidate because to me he doesn’t have the mental makeup for me to put him in this category.

Prop · Post #56 » by **Prop** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:01 pm

because a superstar leaving a team to go to a much better situation is wrong...it's beyond wrong. hell, it's pretty much the equivalent of drowning newborns for shyts and giggles. doing such a thing means they're weak, gutless, beta and basically makes them infanticidal maniacs.

the only acceptable way superstars can get better teammates is by sticking with the team that drafted them, crossing their fingers and hoping their gm acquires enough talent to push them to the top before they're too old to lead a team to a title.

it's only logical, right?

Golabki · Post #57 » by **Golabki** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:09 pm

MICHAEL_JORDAN wrote:You can't take away the fact lbj has a ring now. But like i've said in other threads, at the end of the day it took him having 2 other superstars in they're prime. Some excellent post in this thread...pretty much explain the hate. LBJ isn't MJ, we can't really compaer him at this point anymore due to the fact MJ didn't already have the superstars in place that lbj has now. another arguement there...hah

cheers.

1. Not sure you'd call Bosh a superstar. All-star, yes.

2. Neither Wade nor Bosh was 100% last year. It was VERY clear LeBron was the best player. Unlike Kobe in the Lakers last title, where Gasol looked like the best Lakers player in a few games.

3. Jordan had Pippen, arguably one of the 50 greatest players ever and one of the best 5 players of his era. Also, Jordan's teams (particularly the 2nd three-peat team) were LOADED. Dennis Rodman might be the greatest rebounder ever and one of the greatest defensive PFs ever. Kukoc averaged 19-7-5 his last year in Chicago.

GreenHat · Post #58 » by **GreenHat** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:34 pm

Andre3822 wrote:LeBron promised Cleveland a title.
LeBron didn't give Cleveland a heads-up - the team that had been his home for years.
LeBron had " The Decision " , which was a ridiculous media circus.

+ the way he has been in the media, he made himself an easy target. Imo there's much less hate now, he didn't talk **** last year and let his game do the talking, winning the title.

+ The 1# player in the NBA will always have criticizers and hate - it's how it is.

He was saying it was a goal to bring a championship to Cleveland. He got a better job offer so he took it. Not that big of a deal circumstances change. Its like a dad promising his kid a new computer for Christmas but then he loses his job.

He didn't sign an extension. If a player refuses a max extension that is a heads up that he might not stay.

That ridiculous media circus generated millions for charity. That's a positive thing.

There is still is plenty of hate. And Jordan talked way more **** before he won anything yet didn't receive the hate that Lebron did while still in Cleveland.

Your last point is the only point I agree with.

GreenHat · Post #59 » by **GreenHat** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:37 pm

PetroNet wrote:The situations you mentioned are all completely different then the miami heat situation.

Lakers - howard didn't sign there as a free agent. He was traded there, and he wanted to go to brooklyn. Gasol was also traded there, years ago, and the two didn't decide together to team up.

Celtics - again, ray allen didn't sign there, they traded jeff green for him. Kg didn't sign there, they trade al jefferson for him and kg didn't even want to be a celtic at first.

Knicks - lol, how is this even relevant? Chandler is far from a star player and knicks didn't make it out of the first round.

Heat- Wade was drafted by the Heat. Lebron and Bosh were traded there.

Xekana · Post #60 » by **Xekana** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:38 pm

GreenHat wrote:
PetroNet wrote:The situations you mentioned are all completely different then the miami heat situation.

Lakers - howard didn't sign there as a free agent. He was traded there, and he wanted to go to brooklyn. Gasol was also traded there, years ago, and the two didn't decide together to team up.

Celtics - again, ray allen didn't sign there, they traded jeff green for him. Kg didn't sign there, they trade al jefferson for him and kg didn't even want to be a celtic at first.

Knicks - lol, how is this even relevant? Chandler is far from a star player and knicks didn't make it out of the first round.

Heat- Wade was drafted by the Heat. Lebron and Bosh were traded there.

No they weren't.

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