KOTB Entry CLE/ORL

[Texas Chuck]

"If you believe all teams would accept this trade, vote yes. If you believe otherwise, vote no. Please explain your vote."

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=clcc8vd *

* had to use Casspi in place of Miles on the trade checker

Orlando Out:

Afflalo(7.75,7.75,7.75 8M(player option), Big Baby Davis(6.4,6.4,6.6)

Cleveland Out:

Walton(exp), Miles(2.23M but not fully guaranteed for 13/14), 2013 Miami 1st,2013 Cle 2nd

Orlando does this to clear out long term salary. This deal plus waiving Hedo and owing him only $6M saves them $20M in cap room for next year allowing them to be a player in FA if they decide to. They also save over $5M in real $$ savings this year. They get a late 1 and an early 2nd to start adding young talent to their roster.

Cleveland does this because its time to start adding in some productive veterans and for their young players to experience some winning and playing in more pressure situations. Both Davis and Afflalo have very fair contracts for their production. They can go into next year with:

Kyree/FA or draft pick
Beal/ FA or draft pick
Afflalo/Gee
Davis/Thompson
Varejo/Zeller

They will still have plenty of cap space in FA and another likely top lotto pick.

[tiderulz]

Easily no thanks from the Magic. BBD is producing fine for Orlando right now. Regardless of what people think outside of Orlando, we are not trying to dump him. At $6.5m/yr, he is doing fine and providing good leadership that he learned from Garnett and the Celtics to the young pups.

[Trader_Joe]

No.

BBD is a rather under appreciated player and they clearly like AA so expirers and potentially the last pick of the 1st round is insulting. Either add Turkoglu to the deal, or add a bunch more picks from Cleveland.

[Texas Chuck]

No.

BBD is a rather under appreciated player and they clearly like AA so expirers and potentially the last pick of the 1st round is insulting. Either add Turkoglu to the deal, or add a bunch more picks from Cleveland.

LOL I tried as hard as I could to add Turk to the deal but Cleveland doesnt have the space and/or contracts to squeeze him into the deal.

Maybe I misjudged what Orlando is thinking. I look at them as a team in no man's land. They have lots of decent veterans on long-term deals so they arent ever going to be terrible enough to get top lotto picks but they have no star and so they arent going to be a playoff team. I thought they would be interested in a bit of a reboot. They just look like a team that is going to have to treadmill for the next 3 years barring a miracle in the lottery.

Obv I think AA and Davis are good players on good contracts which is why Cleveland would be willing to take on so much longterm salary. Maybe Cleveland needs to give slightly more but I still think the deal makes sense for Orlando(in before more Orlando people rip me to shreds for my foolishness)

[Trader_Joe]

No.

BBD is a rather under appreciated player and they clearly like AA so expirers and potentially the last pick of the 1st round is insulting. Either add Turkoglu to the deal, or add a bunch more picks from Cleveland.

LOL I tried as hard as I could to add Turk to the deal but Cleveland doesnt have the space and/or contracts to squeeze him into the deal.

Maybe I misjudged what Orlando is thinking. I look at them as a team in no man's land. They have lots of decent veterans on long-term deals so they arent ever going to be terrible enough to get top lotto picks but they have no star and so they arent going to be a playoff team. I thought they would be interested in a bit of a reboot. They just look like a team that is going to have to treadmill for the next 3 years barring a miracle in the lottery.

Obv I think AA and Davis are good players on good contracts which is why Cleveland would be willing to take on so much longterm salary. Maybe Cleveland needs to give slightly more but I still think the deal makes sense for Orlando(in before more Orlando people rip me to shreds for my foolishness)

They should be pretty terrible and do just fine in the lotto.
AA and G.Davis are young enough to stick around for a little while as well. I wouldn't be in a rush to get them out the door.

[HartfordWhalers]

No.

BBD is a rather under appreciated player and they clearly like AA so expirers and potentially the last pick of the 1st round is insulting. Either add Turkoglu to the deal, or add a bunch more picks from Cleveland.

LOL I tried as hard as I could to add Turk to the deal but Cleveland doesnt have the space and/or contracts to squeeze him into the deal.

Maybe I misjudged what Orlando is thinking. I look at them as a team in no man's land. They have lots of decent veterans on long-term deals so they arent ever going to be terrible enough to get top lotto picks but they have no star and so they arent going to be a playoff team. I thought they would be interested in a bit of a reboot. They just look like a team that is going to have to treadmill for the next 3 years barring a miracle in the lottery.

Obv I think AA and Davis are good players on good contracts which is why Cleveland would be willing to take on so much longterm salary. Maybe Cleveland needs to give slightly more but I still think the deal makes sense for Orlando(in before more Orlando people rip me to shreds for my foolishness)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cavlngs

Boobie and Walton for Afflalo and Hedo. Didn't seem so hard. All expirings, add the Sac pick and the Laker pick. Sac just might be bad enough for long enough that it entices Orlando.

Oh, and don't think you are escaping with this:

They can go into next year with:

Kyree/FA or draft pick
Beal/ FA or draft pick
Afflalo/Gee
Davis/Thompson
Varejo/Zeller

They will still have plenty of cap space in FA and another likely top lotto pick.

[tiderulz]

Maybe I misjudged what Orlando is thinking. I look at them as a team in no man's land. They have lots of decent veterans on long-term deals so they arent ever going to be terrible enough to get top lotto picks but they have no star and so they arent going to be a playoff team. I thought they would be interested in a bit of a reboot. They just look like a team that is going to have to treadmill for the next 3 years barring a miracle in the lottery.

Obv I think AA and Davis are good players on good contracts which is why Cleveland would be willing to take on so much longterm salary. Maybe Cleveland needs to give slightly more but I still think the deal makes sense for Orlando(in before more Orlando people rip me to shreds for my foolishness)

lots of decent vets on long term deals? Have you looked at the roster?

JJ - expiring
BBD - 2 years after this
Nelson - 1 year after this (3rd year ungauranteed)
Harrington - either traded this year or cut after
McRoberts - expiring
Ayon - team options for next year
Turk - next year half un-guaranteed
AA - longest contract of the bunch

this team isnt treadmill for for the next 3 years, they are tanking and burning thru turk/harrington's contracts. And you dont think the team is terrible enough for a high lotto pick? have you seen them play and checked out their record? there is no way they are a playoff team this year. This year is to develop Vuc and Harkless under BBD/Afflalo/Nelson/Redick. They are going no where this year.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah we have a fundamental difference on how to allocate resources obviously. I only want to spend resources on elite players until I have enough of a foundation then I want to find good value players like AA and BBD. You are okay with spending valuable cap space on role players even without the star to support them. Im failing to see how Orlando gets a player(s) to truly build around for the next 3 years without clearing out some contracts.

[tiderulz]

yeah we have a fundamental difference on how to allocate resources obviously. I only want to spend resources on elite players until I have enough of a foundation then I want to find good value players like AA and BBD. You are okay with spending valuable cap space on role players even without the star to support them. Im failing to see how Orlando gets a player(s) to truly build around for the next 3 years without clearing out some contracts.

by sucking, burning thru Hedo's contract and getting a high draft pick. Also, you do remember that there is a floor of cap space that you have to spend correct? I expect them to have a pretty high pick this year and depending on trades, etc at the end of this year, another high pick after next year.

[Texas Chuck]

H-W,

Waiters/Beal whats the difference?

Yeah I could have gotten Turk in if I took BBD out but then the deal doesnt accomplish what I wanted for Cle.

Look I just need a couple more no's and then Im bumping every thread on this forum so this trainwreck disappears.

I still stubbornly think my plan for Orlando is better than theirs but unless some other Magic fans come in who view this differently Im clearly out of my mind.

[HartfordWhalers]

Ok, put me down as a no.

(I actually think Turk makes more sense for Cleveland then BBD), and makes it easier to get Afflalo).

[BossHoggin]

No thanks

[Cigamodnalro]

No.

BBD and Redick for Boobie and Walton is a better deal. And even there, it ONLY works if ORL wants to dump Davis badly enough to give away a trade asset and veteran leader in Redick.

[TheOUTLAW]

Absolutely nothing here for the Cavs to be tossing in a pick. Get this crap out of here.

[HartfordWhalers]

Absolutely nothing here for the Cavs to be tossing in a pick. Get this crap out of here.

If you think Afflalo and BBD combined aren't worth their combined salaries I could see rejecting this. But that Miami 1st isn't exactly that great of a pick to be calling something crap.

[SCourGe OF GoD]

Easily no thanks from the Magic. BBD is producing fine for Orlando right now. Regardless of what people think outside of Orlando, we are not trying to dump him. At $6.5m/yr, he is doing fine and providing good leadership that he learned from Garnett and the Celtics to the young pups.

I agree with this ..Afflalo is really undereated on this board

[TheOUTLAW]

Absolutely nothing here for the Cavs to be tossing in a pick. Get this crap out of here.

If you think Afflalo and BBD combined aren't worth their combined salaries I could see rejecting this. But that Miami 1st isn't exactly that great of a pick to be calling something crap.

We have no need for big baby or 3 years of salary for each of them. We'd have to be receiving something to agree to that. And I actually like Affalo, but overall there is no benefit to Cleveland except potentially short term gain

[HomieOmey]

For a Miami first? lol Then you might as well give away Varejao if you feel that way.


This is too good for the Cavs.

I vote no.

[vincecarter4pres]

No from both sides.

Not enough asset incentive to move Afflalo for Orlando, too much awful salary on mediocrity and crap for Cleveland, that Big Baby contract is grotesque and he's just not a good player and Afflalo isn't good enough to justify paying both his salary and Davis'.

[tiderulz]

No from both sides.

Not enough asset incentive to move Afflalo for Orlando, too much awful salary on mediocrity and crap for Cleveland, that Big Baby contract is grotesque and he's just not a good player and Afflalo isn't good enough to justify paying both his salary and Davis'.

grotesque is Kendrick Perkins. BBD actually produces. 15/8 at $6.5 in todays NBA for many of these "big men" isnt not a bad return.