if it all fails... then what

[Parataxis]

AA could have spent money last season but he didn't like the players that were available.

Like Reyes or Buhrle?

[Ado05]

AA could have spent money last season but he didn't like the players that were available.

Like Reyes or Buhrle?

lol.

[TheMainEvent]

What a bummer. This has 'Toronto sports fan' written all over it, hehe.

Anyway, I don't think AA would be fired if the team bottoms out next year and doesn't "contend," solely because I haven't heard or read more than three people say this wasn't a good trade. If AA had given up D'Arnaud and/or one or both of Syndergaard or Sanchez, then his seat might be hotter. If Buck and Johnson had contracts longer than 1 year, maybe his seat might be hotter. If Melky Cabrera got a contract longer than 2 years, then his seat might be hotter. Maybe if everyone wasn't calling Miami stupid, AA's seat might be hotter. But with only Buerhle and Reyes having long contracts, both of whom I can foresee still having trade value, and considering the deep farm system the Jays still have intact, I don't think AA will be on the hot seat if next season is a bummer. Some have called this an "all-in" move, but the team's still got a lot of valuable assets... plus, AA is still pretty young and is becoming one of the more recognizable and praised GMs in baseball. Plus, his ability to make decent and creative moves with a relatively small salary (what he's done in previous years) should still make him attractive to management. I don't think Beeston will be in the hot seat either. I don't see the manager being fired either -- there's WAY too much turnover with that job if they do.

As for a Jays firesale? I don't see it happening. I think when they signed Bautista and Encarnacion to their extensions, they had NO intention of trading them away. So even with a bad year, I think they have enough overall to try for it again the year after. With Bautista and EE still here, I can see Reyes sticking around for the length of his contract. Johnson might just leave as a FA. Buerhle might and could be traded -- a quality SP, even with a big contract, always has suitors. Lawrie, Rasmus, Morrow, Romero, etc. are all still young enough to keep around (assuming they don't suck).

[BigLeagueChew]

Well at 6 years for Reyes, no he didn't like him and Buerhle doesn't look like he wants to come here right now. So yeah I'd have to say that what i said is true. Otherwise we would have had Reyes already right?

We had to trade for them it's not like we were on their list of teams to go to.

[flatjacket1]

If he didn't do this he'd also get fired.

It's a lot like asking a girl out. If you ask her out and she says no it sucks. If you never ask, its 100x worse.

[LittleOzzy]

What if I'm in the shower and I trip on a bar of soap? Why dont you cross that bridge when you come to it, do you really feel the need to discuss all the bad things that could happen? gtfo

...Oh my god I'd be killed....

Well said. It will be sad if all the negativity from that other forum ends up here.

[whysoserious]

I honestly don't even care if they fail. I'm just glad to see the Jays finally step up and do something to make their team a winner and actually contend. This was not a move for the wildcard, this was a play for the division with the Yanks and Sox taking a step back. If only BC could rebuild and take that drastic a step.

[Raps in 4]

If it fails next year I won't be questioning AA and Rogers they stepped up to the plate and
delivered there is so many variables in baseball you can't take anything for granted.

If the team flops next year there will be heat on the manager and the players that under performed
but we play in the toughest division in sports.

This.

Both AA and Rogers stepped up. They did all that they could. The rest falls on the shoulders of the players. If the players somehow underperform, I don't think it will be too hard to move them.

[JN]

This was time to take the financial risk. And it has less to do with the Jays were, but the vulverability of their rivals.

If its a disaster they probably look to clear salary from the roster at the end of the year. Can't be afraid of that at this point.

[JN]

Well at 6 years for Reyes, no he didn't like him and Buerhle doesn't look like he wants to come here right now. So yeah I'd have to say that what i said is true. Otherwise we would have had Reyes already right?
We had to trade for them it's not like we were on their list of teams to go to.

If the Jays had offered the exact same financial deal as the Marlins last winter, what makes you think Reyes would have taken the Jays offer

[raps4589]

What if I'm in the shower and I trip on a bar of soap? Why dont you cross that bridge when you come to it, do you really feel the need to discuss all the bad things that could happen? gtfo

...Oh my god I'd be killed....

Well said. It will be sad if all the negativity from that other forum ends up here.

yea its so funny that the jays are in a fabolous situation yet people are talknig about jose reyes getting injured

[BigLeagueChew]

If the Jays had offered the exact same financial deal as the Marlins last winter, what makes you think Reyes would have taken the Jays offer

That was pretty much what I was saying.

[JN]

If the Jays had offered the exact same financial deal as the Marlins last winter, what makes you think Reyes would have taken the Jays offer

That was pretty much what I was saying.

Yep, my misread

[BigLeagueChew]

About turf injuries. I think a pulled hamstring doesn't happen from turf per say, it will happen on grass or turf.

The thing about turf that hurts players is more pressure on joints in the knees and ankles. A player such as Troy Glaus had huge issues here with plantar fascitis(sp?) and playing on turf wasn't a good mix for him.

[engageTHEmasses]

I think what the OP is failing to realize is that, regardless how the team plays this year, it's hard to really call this deal 'a failure'... AA instilled life and hope and energy into the fanbase and city again. it was time to put the chips in and take a shot. if it doesn't work out, we graduate our young talent, move some guys, and rework the roster-- just like every other team has to every several years...

at least give this team some time (we're four months away from SPRING yet!) and see how they come together by the all-star break. jeez.

[nonc]

even if this team fails to make the playoffs it's not a disaster. Blue Jays have tradeable contracts, young talent, great farm system. it's really not as risky as many would lead you to believe.

[Michael Bradley]

Make no mistake about it, this was a perfect storm situation. The AL East is about as wide open as it has been in recent memory and AA found a team that not only had impact talent they were willing to trade/dump but also contracts that did not exceed Beeston's five year policy (Reyes has a team option for a sixth, but only five guaranteed years left). The money may or may not have been there last off-season, but the Jays were not going to go nine years for Fielder, 6-7 years on Reyes, 5/100 on a risky pitcher from Japan, etc. This was incredible timing just as much as it was an astute trade, especially when you consider the new CBA has curbed the Yankees spending, the Red Sox are in disarray, and the Orioles are probably not going to be as lucky next season.

[James_Raptors]

The biggest move this off-season was to show they fans they are willing to spend.
How you spend and if the money you spent earns you a ring or even a play-off birth, is another story.
With very few exceptions (ie: Tampa Bay), baseball is a game of teams who spend and win, and those who do not.
We've made some huge moves and Rogers has returned the trust fans showed last year, supporting a team who underperformed on the field. This year, should we remain relatively injury free I would expect to see an above .500 team, and that's before the trade/signing this past week.

I want a winner, period. But I also need to trust that a team that I follow is actually attempting to do their best to create a winning atmosphere and not just make money,ratings, and so on. For the first time in years Rogers has given me a reason to trust them (with a wary eye!)